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 Last Bottom 6 to Score (Toby Rieder Cup 2021!) [message #773659]
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Last Bottom 6 to Score[ 5 vote(s) ]
1.G. Haaaaaas 0 / 0%
2.J. Neal 0 / 0%
3.J. Khaira 9 / 180%
4.P. Russell (Defending Champ!) 13 / 260%
5.Z. Kassian 1 / 20%
6.T. Ennis 8 / 160%
7.J. Nygard 4 / 80%
8.D. Kahun (He's top 6, but he's on as a tribute to Tobie R.!) 1 / 20%
9.A. Chaisson * 2 / 40%

I'm taking J. Khaira

P. Russell scores tonight!!

* Edit: Added Chaisson

Kassian scores his first vs. Leafs, January 28.. then there were 8
Kahun scores his first vs Leafs, January 30.. then there were 7..
Neal scores TWO vs Sens, Jan 31.. then there were 6
Khaira scores 1 vs. Flamers, Feb. 06 .. then there were 5..
Ennis scores 1 vs. Sens, Feb. 08 .. then there were only 4.. Quarter finals!
Chaisson scores TWO vs Jets, Feb 15 .. then there 3
Haaaaaas with the game winner vs 🐄💩's Feb 19.. then there were 2

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Thinking Ennis is still busted from that bad injury in the playins. Going with him. Although, I still have zero belief Russell scores. Might just be playing for the tie :)


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I had to check to make sure Joakim Nygard was still with the Oilers. Apparently he played the first three games this year! Who know? He's my guy.


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P Russ for me.

Would have taken Chiasson but he’s not an option and I truly enjoy not seeing his name as a part of this poll. He can spend time focusing on what he really cares about, his hair.



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 Re: Last Bottom 6 to Score (Toby Rieder Cup 2021!) [message #773671 is a reply to message #773667 ]
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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 26 January 2021 14:55

P Russ for me.

Would have taken Chiasson but he’s not an option and I truly enjoy not seeing his name as a part of this poll. He can spend time focusing on what he really cares about, his hair.


How can you top Patrick Russell? 51 NHL games and counting without a goal. He gets a decent number of shots for a 4th liner - 64 shots despite averaging about 10-12 minutes a night, but he's got a muffin. He's just never a threat.

I fully predict he takes the record from JF Jacques. Just 6 more appearances and he's there!



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Adam wrote on Tue, 26 January 2021 16:28

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 26 January 2021 14:55

P Russ for me.

Would have taken Chiasson but he’s not an option and I truly enjoy not seeing his name as a part of this poll. He can spend time focusing on what he really cares about, his hair.


How can you top Patrick Russell? 51 NHL games and counting without a goal. He gets a decent number of shots for a 4th liner - 64 shots despite averaging about 10-12 minutes a night, but he's got a muffin. He's just never a threat.

I fully predict he takes the record from JF Jacques. Just 6 more appearances and he's there!


Oh I agree, which speaks volumes as to how I feel about Chiasson icon_wink



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Oh come on is this even a fair pool. How does anyone not pick P.Russell automatically? He's got no goals in 51 total NHL games. 46 last year. I seem to remember a game where the goalie was down and totally out. Had no chance to make a save. Russell was all alone, maybe 10 feet from the goal, more than half the net to shoot at and he either missed the net completely out I think put it off the post.

You can't teach that level of ineptitude. You are born with it.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 January 2021 17:07

Oh come on is this even a fair pool. How does anyone not pick P.Russell automatically? He's got no goals in 51 total NHL games. 46 last year. I seem to remember a game where the goalie was down and totally out. Had no chance to make a save. Russell was all alone, maybe 10 feet from the goal, more than half the net to shoot at and he either missed the net completely out I think put it off the post.

You can't teach that level of ineptitude. You are born with it.


He’s gonna score tonight. Isn’t he?



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Russell is still visually worse than the rest. I say he will have another disallowed goal this year, but none that count. The white tape around the puck will stay pristine.


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inverno76 wrote on Tue, 26 January 2021 19:03

Russell is still visually worse than the rest. I say he will have another disallowed goal this year, but none that count. The white tape around the puck will stay pristine.


I’m going to say he doesn’t play another game this season... but then again, Tippet loves his son Patrick.



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Another game and another game where McDavid is barley noticable


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clutchlikeeberle wrote on Tue, 26 January 2021 20:06

Another game and another game where McDavid is barley noticable


Well, if McDavid was your pick for last to score, I think you just lost...



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He fails to make anyone better. All his plays and high lights and individual plays. Drai is the best player on this team. It's not confidence that Kassian was noticable a few shifts he had with drai ...


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clutchlikeeberle wrote on Tue, 26 January 2021 20:35

He fails to make anyone better. All his plays and high lights and individual plays. Drai is the best player on this team. It's not confidence that Kassian was noticable a few shifts he had with drai ...


I'm confident it isn't a coincidence that so many of McDavid's wingers (including Draisaitl) have had their numbers jump significantly when they play with him.

I've seen a lot of bad takes in this forum, but the thought that McDavid isn't that good, or is invisible, or doesn't help his teammates is way out there.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 26 January 2021 21:38

clutchlikeeberle wrote on Tue, 26 January 2021 20:35

He fails to make anyone better. All his plays and high lights and individual plays. Drai is the best player on this team. It's not confidence that Kassian was noticable a few shifts he had with drai ...


I'm confident it isn't a coincidence that so many of McDavid's wingers (including Draisaitl) have had their numbers jump significantly when they play with him.

I've seen a lot of bad takes in this forum, but the thought that McDavid isn't that good, or is invisible, or doesn't help his teammates is way out there.


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Adam wrote on Tue, 26 January 2021 20:38

clutchlikeeberle wrote on Tue, 26 January 2021 20:35

He fails to make anyone better. All his plays and high lights and individual plays. Drai is the best player on this team. It's not confidence that Kassian was noticable a few shifts he had with drai ...


I'm confident it isn't a coincidence that so many of McDavid's wingers (including Draisaitl) have had their numbers jump significantly when they play with him.

I've seen a lot of bad takes in this forum, but the thought that McDavid isn't that good, or is invisible, or doesn't help his teammates is way out there.


McDavid is head and shoulders the better player. I wonder if LD isn't easier to play with though for some players, or the chemistry is easier? Real different with zone entries,, the setup and cycle routine, and most importantly what happens off the rush. I would say that a LD line is more of a collaborative effort than Connor's line, where a lot happens via Connor overwhelming the D off the rush.

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Tell me when McDavid elevated a nobody like Crosby did with Colby Armstrong or Chris kuntiz? Never


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clutchlikeeberle wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 06:17

Tell me when McDavid elevated a nobody like Crosby did with Colby Armstrong or Chris kuntiz? Never


You mean other than Maroon who was a beast on his wing. And Kassian who was great on his wing (admittedly he has struggled there also). And Chiasson who turned into a powerplay beast when on PP1 with Connor. And Letestu who was also a PP beast when out with McDavid.



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bath(i)robe wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 09:22

clutchlikeeberle wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 06:17

Tell me when McDavid elevated a nobody like Crosby did with Colby Armstrong or Chris kuntiz? Never


You mean other than Maroon who was a beast on his wing. And Kassian who was great on his wing (admittedly he has struggled there also). And Chiasson who turned into a powerplay beast when on PP1 with Connor. And Letestu who was also a PP beast when out with McDavid.


I realize I’m contradicting myself by posting this, but the best response is no response. Don’t entertain the Connor haters.



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clutchlikeeberle wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 03:17

Tell me when McDavid elevated a nobody like Crosby did with Colby Armstrong or Chris kuntiz? Never


The only time Colby Armstrong ever hit 20 goals was with the Atlanta Thrashers. So I guess Crosby ELEVATED him so much it was with another team.



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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 16:15

clutchlikeeberle wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 03:17

Tell me when McDavid elevated a nobody like Crosby did with Colby Armstrong or Chris kuntiz? Never


The only time Colby Armstrong ever hit 20 goals was with the Atlanta Thrashers. So I guess Crosby ELEVATED him so much it was with another team.


Hey, Pascal Dupuis scored an important goal in the Stanley Cup Finals...are you going to tell me that wasn't specifically because he was touched by the grace of Crosby?



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Should empty net Goals count for the Toby Cup?[ 15 vote(s) ]
1.Yep (Otherwise we might have multiple winners) 12 / 80%
2.Nope 3 / 20%

I should really have discounted empty net goals and included Archibald.

Another poll should empty net goals count for the Toby Cup?



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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 10:51

I should really have discounted empty net goals and included Archibald.

Another poll should empty net goals count for the Toby Cup?


If you eliminate empty net goals, it opens a can of worms. What if Russell gets rewarded for his hard work on the taxi squad again and finds himself grinding in the corner, the opposing D player throws it out to the blue line where Barrie cuts it off and fires it on net (4feet wide) and it hits Russell’s butt and goes in? Goals a goal.



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 10:01

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 10:51

I should really have discounted empty net goals and included Archibald.

Another poll should empty net goals count for the Toby Cup?


If you eliminate empty net goals, it opens a can of worms. What if Russell gets rewarded for his hard work on the taxi squad again and finds himself grinding in the corner, the opposing D player throws it out to the blue line where Barrie cuts it off and fires it on net (4feet wide) and it hits Russell’s butt and goes in? Goals a goal.

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 09:01

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 10:51

I should really have discounted empty net goals and included Archibald.

Another poll should empty net goals count for the Toby Cup?


If you eliminate empty net goals, it opens a can of worms. What if Russell gets rewarded for his hard work on the taxi squad again and finds himself grinding in the corner, the opposing D player throws it out to the blue line where Barrie cuts it off and fires it on net (4feet wide) and it hits Russell’s butt and goes in? Goals a goal.


OK, you sold me.. he way these guys are playing, an empty net goal could be the game winning goal.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 10:26

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 09:01

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 10:51

I should really have discounted empty net goals and included Archibald.

Another poll should empty net goals count for the Toby Cup?


If you eliminate empty net goals, it opens a can of worms. What if Russell gets rewarded for his hard work on the taxi squad again and finds himself grinding in the corner, the opposing D player throws it out to the blue line where Barrie cuts it off and fires it on net (4feet wide) and it hits Russell’s butt and goes in? Goals a goal.


OK, you sold me.. he way these guys are playing, an empty net goal could be the game winning goal.


Not to mention, it's unlikely a lot of these guys are allowed on the ice with the net empty. We saw with the Turris' line last night what happens when you allow anyone outside of the first two lines over the boards in the final minute.



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I thought P. Russell was going to get one last night. If ever there was a chance to tip a goal in, it was a slow wrister from Larsson. SO CLOSE!!


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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 16:01

I thought P. Russell was going to get one last night. If ever there was a chance to tip a goal in, it was a slow wrister from Larsson. SO CLOSE!!


Sideways question here: does anyone know why the Oilers have chosen to invest so much in Patrick Russell instead of using Josh Currie when he was in the system?

Currie's gone now and may just be a career AHLer but Russell doesn't appear to be any more interesting at all. Currie scored even.

Just wondering...



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stemhovlichski wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 12:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 16:01

I thought P. Russell was going to get one last night. If ever there was a chance to tip a goal in, it was a slow wrister from Larsson. SO CLOSE!!


Sideways question here: does anyone know why the Oilers have chosen to invest so much in Patrick Russell instead of using Josh Currie when he was in the system?

Currie's gone now and may just be a career AHLer but Russell doesn't appear to be any more interesting at all. Currie scored even.

Just wondering...

Currie didn’t have that same taxi squad compete potential, despite his offensive ability.



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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 11:31

stemhovlichski wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 12:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 16:01

I thought P. Russell was going to get one last night. If ever there was a chance to tip a goal in, it was a slow wrister from Larsson. SO CLOSE!!


Sideways question here: does anyone know why the Oilers have chosen to invest so much in Patrick Russell instead of using Josh Currie when he was in the system?

Currie's gone now and may just be a career AHLer but Russell doesn't appear to be any more interesting at all. Currie scored even.

Just wondering...

Currie didn’t have that same taxi squad compete potential, despite his offensive ability.


Well, we lost an AHL guy who got good farm team numbers by letting his contract simply end. Nothing in return....no asset management. Who's running that show?



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stemhovlichski wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 13:52

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 11:31

stemhovlichski wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 12:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 16:01

I thought P. Russell was going to get one last night. If ever there was a chance to tip a goal in, it was a slow wrister from Larsson. SO CLOSE!!


Sideways question here: does anyone know why the Oilers have chosen to invest so much in Patrick Russell instead of using Josh Currie when he was in the system?

Currie's gone now and may just be a career AHLer but Russell doesn't appear to be any more interesting at all. Currie scored even.

Just wondering...

Currie didn’t have that same taxi squad compete potential, despite his offensive ability.


Well, we lost an AHL guy who got good farm team numbers by letting his contract simply end. Nothing in return....no asset management. Who's running that show?


Currie was at an age where if he hasn't made an NHL impact, his value is virtually nil in a trade. The Oilers have been acquiring multiple guys like that in the summer each year. At about 25 years old, if you aren't playing at least semi-regularly in the NHL, it is an indication you probably aren't ever going to be. There will be the occasional guy who'll buck the trend and make it later than that, but it isn't common.

That's part of the myth of over-ripening. You don't have forever with these players, so teams need to make decisions over who is going to make it and if someone has promise but their path is blocked, then you need to trade them while they're still pretty young before everyone decides it's too late. I've been beating the drum for a while now that we probably can't graduate all of Bouchard, Broberg and Samorukov to the NHL in the next 2-3 years, so pick your favourite two and find a home for the last one while there's still value you can get for him in a trade. If any of them spend almost all of the next three years in the minors, then they'll be worth next to nothing.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 15:27

stemhovlichski wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 13:52

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 11:31

stemhovlichski wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 12:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 16:01

I thought P. Russell was going to get one last night. If ever there was a chance to tip a goal in, it was a slow wrister from Larsson. SO CLOSE!!


Sideways question here: does anyone know why the Oilers have chosen to invest so much in Patrick Russell instead of using Josh Currie when he was in the system?

Currie's gone now and may just be a career AHLer but Russell doesn't appear to be any more interesting at all. Currie scored even.

Just wondering...

Currie didn’t have that same taxi squad compete potential, despite his offensive ability.


Well, we lost an AHL guy who got good farm team numbers by letting his contract simply end. Nothing in return....no asset management. Who's running that show?


Currie was at an age where if he hasn't made an NHL impact, his value is virtually nil in a trade. The Oilers have been acquiring multiple guys like that in the summer each year. At about 25 years old, if you aren't playing at least semi-regularly in the NHL, it is an indication you probably aren't ever going to be. There will be the occasional guy who'll buck the trend and make it later than that, but it isn't common.

That's part of the myth of over-ripening. You don't have forever with these players, so teams need to make decisions over who is going to make it and if someone has promise but their path is blocked, then you need to trade them while they're still pretty young before everyone decides it's too late. I've been beating the drum for a while now that we probably can't graduate all of Bouchard, Broberg and Samorukov to the NHL in the next 2-3 years, so pick your favourite two and find a home for the last one while there's still value you can get for him in a trade. If any of them spend almost all of the next three years in the minors, then they'll be worth next to nothing.


I agree totally. Not trying to beat a dead Schremp, but the asset mismanagement starts at the top and ends at the bottom with this organization. Instead of losing an established player for nothing, get something for him - a backup goalie for the farm so your farm goalie can come up and help out if required???



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stemhovlichski wrote on Fri, 29 January 2021 01:09


I agree totally. Not trying to beat a dead Schremp, but the asset mismanagement starts at the top and ends at the bottom with this organization. Instead of losing an established player for nothing, get something for him - a backup goalie for the farm so your farm goalie can come up and help out if required???


There's been so many examples of this.

Schremp is a good one - biggest issues for him were that A) the coaching staff thought he was too cocky and didn't like him and B) he came in to the league right behind Gagner and Cogliano, and the team had Horcoff as #1 center and hasn't employed a young-guys-fourth-line since 1990, prefering to have PK specialists, fighters or gritty guys play there. Because of that, there was no room for Schremp on the Oilers. He was coming off some big junior years though and put up decent points his first two years in junior despite the absolute cluster#$%@ that our minor league team was at that point. At 21 he led the Springfield Falcons in scoring by 30 points. At that point, he still looks like a stellar prospect, and one the Oilers haven't rushed to the NHL. The Oilers still don't really have room for him in 2008-09, the coach really still dislikes him, so they send him to the minors for another full season. He's frustrated, he doesn't understand his path, and his production drops. Still, he gets in 4 NHL games towards the end of the season and puts up 3 assists in that time. The Oilers STILL don't do anything with him. They don't trade him, they don't make any room for him or have much of a plan with him at all. They go into camp, and Pat Quinn feels he beats out Sam Gagner for a roster spot. Gagner doesn't have to clear waivers yet. Schremp does. Oilers brass overrules Quinn and demotes Schremp who gets picked up and scores 25 points in 44 games for the Islanders.

Ultimately, Schremp wasn't a great NHL player and didn't last particularly long in the league - just 114 games (54 points though). But the Oilers knew he was in tough to make the team when he was still a highly touted prospect, and could have got a lot for him coming out of junior coming off a 145 point season, and decent amounts for him after his first two pro seasons, and still SOMETHING for him after his third pro season, but they held him until they had to lose him for nothing.

It's a recurring theme. All through the time when the Oilers media was crowing about how amazing Stu MacGregor was, we collected defence prospects that looked very promising. Not only did we get virtually nothing for any of them in the end, but it likely stunted the development of some of them because we didn't have room to play them all even in the AHL.

I really worry we're making the same mistake with our young defenders now.



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Adam wrote on Fri, 29 January 2021 01:36

stemhovlichski wrote on Fri, 29 January 2021 01:09


I agree totally. Not trying to beat a dead Schremp, but the asset mismanagement starts at the top and ends at the bottom with this organization. Instead of losing an established player for nothing, get something for him - a backup goalie for the farm so your farm goalie can come up and help out if required???


There's been so many examples of this.

Schremp is a good one - biggest issues for him were that A) the coaching staff thought he was too cocky and didn't like him and B) he came in to the league right behind Gagner and Cogliano, and the team had Horcoff as #1 center and hasn't employed a young-guys-fourth-line since 1990, prefering to have PK specialists, fighters or gritty guys play there. Because of that, there was no room for Schremp on the Oilers. He was coming off some big junior years though and put up decent points his first two years in junior despite the absolute cluster#$%@ that our minor league team was at that point. At 21 he led the Springfield Falcons in scoring by 30 points. At that point, he still looks like a stellar prospect, and one the Oilers haven't rushed to the NHL. The Oilers still don't really have room for him in 2008-09, the coach really still dislikes him, so they send him to the minors for another full season. He's frustrated, he doesn't understand his path, and his production drops. Still, he gets in 4 NHL games towards the end of the season and puts up 3 assists in that time. The Oilers STILL don't do anything with him. They don't trade him, they don't make any room for him or have much of a plan with him at all. They go into camp, and Pat Quinn feels he beats out Sam Gagner for a roster spot. Gagner doesn't have to clear waivers yet. Schremp does. Oilers brass overrules Quinn and demotes Schremp who gets picked up and scores 25 points in 44 games for the Islanders.

Ultimately, Schremp wasn't a great NHL player and didn't last particularly long in the league - just 114 games (54 points though). But the Oilers knew he was in tough to make the team when he was still a highly touted prospect, and could have got a lot for him coming out of junior coming off a 145 point season, and decent amounts for him after his first two pro seasons, and still SOMETHING for him after his third pro season, but they held him until they had to lose him for nothing.

It's a recurring theme. All through the time when the Oilers media was crowing about how amazing Stu MacGregor was, we collected defence prospects that looked very promising. Not only did we get virtually nothing for any of them in the end, but it likely stunted the development of some of them because we didn't have room to play them all even in the AHL.

I really worry we're making the same mistake with our young defenders now.

Um excuse you, but what about this trade:

https://www.beerleagueheroes.com/oilers-trade-for-pat-maroon

We won't talk about what we got for Maroon because we are focussing on dman trades today.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 29 January 2021 15:34

Adam wrote on Fri, 29 January 2021 01:36

stemhovlichski wrote on Fri, 29 January 2021 01:09


I agree totally. Not trying to beat a dead Schremp, but the asset mismanagement starts at the top and ends at the bottom with this organization. Instead of losing an established player for nothing, get something for him - a backup goalie for the farm so your farm goalie can come up and help out if required???


There's been so many examples of this.

Schremp is a good one - biggest issues for him were that A) the coaching staff thought he was too cocky and didn't like him and B) he came in to the league right behind Gagner and Cogliano, and the team had Horcoff as #1 center and hasn't employed a young-guys-fourth-line since 1990, prefering to have PK specialists, fighters or gritty guys play there. Because of that, there was no room for Schremp on the Oilers. He was coming off some big junior years though and put up decent points his first two years in junior despite the absolute cluster#$%@ that our minor league team was at that point. At 21 he led the Springfield Falcons in scoring by 30 points. At that point, he still looks like a stellar prospect, and one the Oilers haven't rushed to the NHL. The Oilers still don't really have room for him in 2008-09, the coach really still dislikes him, so they send him to the minors for another full season. He's frustrated, he doesn't understand his path, and his production drops. Still, he gets in 4 NHL games towards the end of the season and puts up 3 assists in that time. The Oilers STILL don't do anything with him. They don't trade him, they don't make any room for him or have much of a plan with him at all. They go into camp, and Pat Quinn feels he beats out Sam Gagner for a roster spot. Gagner doesn't have to clear waivers yet. Schremp does. Oilers brass overrules Quinn and demotes Schremp who gets picked up and scores 25 points in 44 games for the Islanders.

Ultimately, Schremp wasn't a great NHL player and didn't last particularly long in the league - just 114 games (54 points though). But the Oilers knew he was in tough to make the team when he was still a highly touted prospect, and could have got a lot for him coming out of junior coming off a 145 point season, and decent amounts for him after his first two pro seasons, and still SOMETHING for him after his third pro season, but they held him until they had to lose him for nothing.

It's a recurring theme. All through the time when the Oilers media was crowing about how amazing Stu MacGregor was, we collected defence prospects that looked very promising. Not only did we get virtually nothing for any of them in the end, but it likely stunted the development of some of them because we didn't have room to play them all even in the AHL.

I really worry we're making the same mistake with our young defenders now.

Um excuse you, but what about this trade:

https://www.beerleagueheroes.com/oilers-trade-for-pat-maroon

We won't talk about what we got for Maroon because we are focussing on dman trades today.


If we'd only traded all the Gernats, just imagine what our roster might have looked like!



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stemhovlichski wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 11:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 16:01

I thought P. Russell was going to get one last night. If ever there was a chance to tip a goal in, it was a slow wrister from Larsson. SO CLOSE!!


Sideways question here: does anyone know why the Oilers have chosen to invest so much in Patrick Russell instead of using Josh Currie when he was in the system?

Currie's gone now and may just be a career AHLer but Russell doesn't appear to be any more interesting at all. Currie scored even.

Just wondering...


When did Katz ever mention Josh Currie's signing in a letter to the fans?



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Starting to really think Kahun is a contender...

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Kassian off the list though. Last year there was a stretch where multiple guys got off the list in a hurry once one of them finally scored. Here's hoping that they can repeat that.


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Toby update

Quote:


1. G. Haaaaaas
2. J. Neal
3. J. Khaira
4. P. Russell (Defending Champ!)
5. (Z. Kassian) X-Scored
6. T. Ennis
7. J. Nygard
8. (D. Kahun) X-Scored

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 30 January 2021 21:41

Toby update

Quote:


1. G. Haaaaaas
2. J. Neal
3. J. Khaira
4. P. Russell (Defending Champ!)
5. X-Scored (Z. Kassian)
6. T. Ennis
7. J. Nygard
8. X-Scored (D. Kahun)




Neal has the hands of stone now. Dude may never score another goal the rest of his career icon_nod



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