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 Re: Klefbom considering Injury Options [message #767616 is a reply to message #767600 ]
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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 05 October 2020 18:21

smyth260 wrote on Mon, 05 October 2020 15:49

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 05 October 2020 14:31

mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 05 October 2020 15:05

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@TomGazzola
"It's not that simple...He's going to have to make a decision that's very important for his life, so I have to respect that." - Ken Holland on Oscar Klefbom making a decision on shoulder surgery and future of his career.


https://twitter.com/TomGazzola/status/1313164720904400897

This may be a long-term thing. They may be looking for a long-term solution. Right now Nurse is their #1 defenseman.


Sigh, hope it works out.

For the fans, at least being Oilers fans has already prepared us for any possible outcome.


Within 1.5 years, both McDavid and Klefbom seem to be no longer trusting in the Oilers to handle their medical issues.

All of this is weird.


It’s not uncommon to get other opinions when it’s a potential altering or ending injury. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Klefbom has some significant phobias regarding surgical procedures after his staph infection. I’d likely look into alternative medicine/healing if I were him too.



I agree, if you have millions of dollars you'd find the best specialist in North America, or Europe, and have a consult, I wouldn't leave it to the "best guy in Edmonton", I'd want to be sure, its simply rational due diligence, you have millions of dollars in a career at stake, you ask around.

If its arthritis, its not an normal sports injury, and his surgical options may be few, and not come with a good probability for a result that brings him back to normal function.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 05 October 2020 22:03

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 05 October 2020 18:21

smyth260 wrote on Mon, 05 October 2020 15:49

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 05 October 2020 14:31

mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 05 October 2020 15:05

Quote:

@TomGazzola
"It's not that simple...He's going to have to make a decision that's very important for his life, so I have to respect that." - Ken Holland on Oscar Klefbom making a decision on shoulder surgery and future of his career.


https://twitter.com/TomGazzola/status/1313164720904400897

This may be a long-term thing. They may be looking for a long-term solution. Right now Nurse is their #1 defenseman.


Sigh, hope it works out.

For the fans, at least being Oilers fans has already prepared us for any possible outcome.


Within 1.5 years, both McDavid and Klefbom seem to be no longer trusting in the Oilers to handle their medical issues.

All of this is weird.


It’s not uncommon to get other opinions when it’s a potential altering or ending injury. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Klefbom has some significant phobias regarding surgical procedures after his staph infection. I’d likely look into alternative medicine/healing if I were him too.



I agree, if you have millions of dollars you'd find the best specialist in North America, or Europe, and have a consult, I wouldn't leave it to the "best guy in Edmonton", I'd want to be sure, its simply rational due diligence, you have millions of dollars in a career at stake, you ask around.

If its arthritis, its not an normal sports injury, and his surgical options may be few, and not come with a good probability for a result that brings him back to normal function.



I just read it might arthritis. What the hell. My knees suck each and every day, yet I head to the gym anyways. I was under the assumption it was more like McDavid’s knee injury.

Retire or take a 500mg pill of suck it up.


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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 05 October 2020 22:43

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 05 October 2020 22:03

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 05 October 2020 18:21

smyth260 wrote on Mon, 05 October 2020 15:49

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 05 October 2020 14:31

mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 05 October 2020 15:05

Quote:

@TomGazzola
"It's not that simple...He's going to have to make a decision that's very important for his life, so I have to respect that." - Ken Holland on Oscar Klefbom making a decision on shoulder surgery and future of his career.


https://twitter.com/TomGazzola/status/1313164720904400897

This may be a long-term thing. They may be looking for a long-term solution. Right now Nurse is their #1 defenseman.


Sigh, hope it works out.

For the fans, at least being Oilers fans has already prepared us for any possible outcome.


Within 1.5 years, both McDavid and Klefbom seem to be no longer trusting in the Oilers to handle their medical issues.

All of this is weird.


It’s not uncommon to get other opinions when it’s a potential altering or ending injury. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Klefbom has some significant phobias regarding surgical procedures after his staph infection. I’d likely look into alternative medicine/healing if I were him too.



I agree, if you have millions of dollars you'd find the best specialist in North America, or Europe, and have a consult, I wouldn't leave it to the "best guy in Edmonton", I'd want to be sure, its simply rational due diligence, you have millions of dollars in a career at stake, you ask around.

If its arthritis, its not an normal sports injury, and his surgical options may be few, and not come with a good probability for a result that brings him back to normal function.



I just read it might arthritis. What the hell. My knees suck each and every day, yet I head to the gym anyways. I was under the assumption it was more like McDavid’s knee injury.

Retire or take a 500mg pill of suck it up.



I think I'll try some of that.. 500mg of SIU !

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 Re: Klefbom considering Injury Options [message #767661 is a reply to message #767628 ]
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Klefbom has been an absolute glass jaw his entire career. The saving grace has been that his contract has always been affordable.

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 Re: Klefbom considering Injury Options [message #767596 is a reply to message #767585 ]
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mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 05 October 2020 15:05

Quote:

@TomGazzola
"It's not that simple...He's going to have to make a decision that's very important for his life, so I have to respect that." - Ken Holland on Oscar Klefbom making a decision on shoulder surgery and future of his career.


https://twitter.com/TomGazzola/status/1313164720904400897

This may be a long-term thing. They may be looking for a long-term solution. Right now Nurse is their #1 defenseman.


Guess all his shoulder issues may have turned into arthritis that he is really suffering with

https://oilersnation.com/2020/10/05/edmonton-oilers-oscar-kl efbom-dealing-with-arthritis/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_med ium=twitter

From Gregor:
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Oscar Klefbom has played with shoulder pain for a few years. And he’s lived with it daily. His shoulder discomfort has eve made sleeping uncomfortable at times during the hockey season.

In discussion with two different sources, they confirmed Klefbom’s shoulder ailment has been an issue for years.


I’m told he is dealing with chronic arthritis in his shoulder, and surgery isn’t an easy fix. There is no guarantee it will solve the problem, and the major concern for Klefbom is if he has surgery and nothing improves it might make it worse.


edit: Guess I should say this is not confirmed. And Gregor was the guy that insisted Lucic wasn't being traded moments before he actually was :)

[Updated on: Mon, 05 October 2020 18:34]

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 Re: Klefbom considering Injury Options [message #768432 is a reply to message #767257 ]
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https://oilersnation.com/2020/10/13/ken-holland-is-planning- to-not-have-oscar-klefbom-available-for-the-2020-21-season/? utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Seems Holland is not expecting Klef to play this coming season. We may have another 4.17M of cap space available once Klef's plans for what to do about his injury are finalized.

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 Re: Klefbom considering Injury Options [message #768440 is a reply to message #768432 ]
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I wish he would have decided a week ago because not knowing his status impacted Oilers decisions on other player. I like the player and not having him is a big blow but just shut it down for the year. If you aren't trying to comeback maybe with some long term rest, he will get better.

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 Re: Klefbom considering Injury Options [message #770191 is a reply to message #767257 ]
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Oilers news!!!!! Wooo!


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-notebook-whats-n ew-edmontons-players-overseas/

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No miracle to report on the Oscar Klefbom front, as he tries to decide how best to handle what is believed to be an arthritic shoulder.

“Nothing has changed,” Holland said. “He’s hoping to be healthy for September. Next year’s training camp. I’m 99.9 percent sure Klef is not going to play in the 20-21 season.”


So, guess we're waiting for the season to start to sign anyone else in order to maximize the LTIR from Klef being out.

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 Re: Klefbom considering Injury Options [message #770201 is a reply to message #770191 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 December 2020 18:41

Oilers news!!!!! Wooo!


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-notebook-whats-n ew-edmontons-players-overseas/

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No miracle to report on the Oscar Klefbom front, as he tries to decide how best to handle what is believed to be an arthritic shoulder.

“Nothing has changed,” Holland said. “He’s hoping to be healthy for September. Next year’s training camp. I’m 99.9 percent sure Klef is not going to play in the 20-21 season.”


So, guess we're waiting for the season to start to sign anyone else in order to maximize the LTIR from Klef being out.

Stauffer has had a guy named Hart Levine on his show many times who's a money guy and knows how the cap works totally and he's said the best way to maximize Klef's LTIR is to get right up to the cap as close as you can when you have to set rosters. So do paper transactions with sending guys down, even if you are technically a player or 2 short roster size wise so you are cap compliant, then the next day put Klef on LTIR so you get his full salary of relief. So if you look at the Oilers roster on capfriendly, they are 242K over at the moment. That's with 15 forwards, 7 dmen and 2 goalies. Now Bear isn't signed yet but they have an extra forward on the roster.

So my guess is they will do exactly like I said above. Maybe Bear goes into the roster setting day as "unsigned" but there is a deal ready to go. you do your shuffling, get compliant, the next day put Klef on LTIR and 2 mins later Bear's new deal gets announced. As a player, you are allowed to go to camp with no contract, you are just taking on the risk of getting injured. With the compressed schedule and available time, I don't think there will be much of a camp at all. Maybe 2 weeks tops just for the guys to get some practices in together, maybe 1 preseason game but that's it.

My guess is they won't start the season until the beginning of February. It's already December. You have to get guys to your city from all over the world and they need time to quarantine. So even if you had an agreement today, 2 weeks of quarantine puts you a week from Christmas. So my guess is an agreement will get announced a few days after news years. All the players do their quarantine, camp starts mid January, season Feb 1st and it will be a 48 games season which at that point, what is the point of Klef coming back and not being 100% healthy.

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 Re: Klefbom considering Injury Options [message #770217 is a reply to message #770201 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 09:21

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 December 2020 18:41

Oilers news!!!!! Wooo!


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-notebook-whats-n ew-edmontons-players-overseas/

Quote:

No miracle to report on the Oscar Klefbom front, as he tries to decide how best to handle what is believed to be an arthritic shoulder.

“Nothing has changed,” Holland said. “He’s hoping to be healthy for September. Next year’s training camp. I’m 99.9 percent sure Klef is not going to play in the 20-21 season.”


So, guess we're waiting for the season to start to sign anyone else in order to maximize the LTIR from Klef being out.

Stauffer has had a guy named Hart Levine on his show many times who's a money guy and knows how the cap works totally and he's said the best way to maximize Klef's LTIR is to get right up to the cap as close as you can when you have to set rosters. So do paper transactions with sending guys down, even if you are technically a player or 2 short roster size wise so you are cap compliant, then the next day put Klef on LTIR so you get his full salary of relief. So if you look at the Oilers roster on capfriendly, they are 242K over at the moment. That's with 15 forwards, 7 dmen and 2 goalies. Now Bear isn't signed yet but they have an extra forward on the roster.

So my guess is they will do exactly like I said above. Maybe Bear goes into the roster setting day as "unsigned" but there is a deal ready to go. you do your shuffling, get compliant, the next day put Klef on LTIR and 2 mins later Bear's new deal gets announced. As a player, you are allowed to go to camp with no contract, you are just taking on the risk of getting injured. With the compressed schedule and available time, I don't think there will be much of a camp at all. Maybe 2 weeks tops just for the guys to get some practices in together, maybe 1 preseason game but that's it.

My guess is they won't start the season until the beginning of February. It's already December. You have to get guys to your city from all over the world and they need time to quarantine. So even if you had an agreement today, 2 weeks of quarantine puts you a week from Christmas. So my guess is an agreement will get announced a few days after news years. All the players do their quarantine, camp starts mid January, season Feb 1st and it will be a 48 games season which at that point, what is the point of Klef coming back and not being 100% healthy.

So I work in the moving business in Winnipeg and Paul Stastny's move from Vegas to Winnipeg came across my desk last week. His load date in Vegas is December 8, so that would likely put him in Winnipeg the week afterwards to await his belongings and clear customs, etc. To me, this points towards training camps starting just before Christmas with the season starting in early January. Obviously, I'm just speculating, but it says something if he was given the go-ahead to confirm his move. They wouldn't have done that if they didn't think they were close.

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OilPeg wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 10:30

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 09:21

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 December 2020 18:41

Oilers news!!!!! Wooo!


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-notebook-whats-n ew-edmontons-players-overseas/

Quote:

No miracle to report on the Oscar Klefbom front, as he tries to decide how best to handle what is believed to be an arthritic shoulder.

“Nothing has changed,” Holland said. “He’s hoping to be healthy for September. Next year’s training camp. I’m 99.9 percent sure Klef is not going to play in the 20-21 season.”


So, guess we're waiting for the season to start to sign anyone else in order to maximize the LTIR from Klef being out.

Stauffer has had a guy named Hart Levine on his show many times who's a money guy and knows how the cap works totally and he's said the best way to maximize Klef's LTIR is to get right up to the cap as close as you can when you have to set rosters. So do paper transactions with sending guys down, even if you are technically a player or 2 short roster size wise so you are cap compliant, then the next day put Klef on LTIR so you get his full salary of relief. So if you look at the Oilers roster on capfriendly, they are 242K over at the moment. That's with 15 forwards, 7 dmen and 2 goalies. Now Bear isn't signed yet but they have an extra forward on the roster.

So my guess is they will do exactly like I said above. Maybe Bear goes into the roster setting day as "unsigned" but there is a deal ready to go. you do your shuffling, get compliant, the next day put Klef on LTIR and 2 mins later Bear's new deal gets announced. As a player, you are allowed to go to camp with no contract, you are just taking on the risk of getting injured. With the compressed schedule and available time, I don't think there will be much of a camp at all. Maybe 2 weeks tops just for the guys to get some practices in together, maybe 1 preseason game but that's it.

My guess is they won't start the season until the beginning of February. It's already December. You have to get guys to your city from all over the world and they need time to quarantine. So even if you had an agreement today, 2 weeks of quarantine puts you a week from Christmas. So my guess is an agreement will get announced a few days after news years. All the players do their quarantine, camp starts mid January, season Feb 1st and it will be a 48 games season which at that point, what is the point of Klef coming back and not being 100% healthy.

So I work in the moving business in Winnipeg and Paul Stastny's move from Vegas to Winnipeg came across my desk last week. His load date in Vegas is December 8, so that would likely put him in Winnipeg the week afterwards to await his belongings and clear customs, etc. To me, this points towards training camps starting just before Christmas with the season starting in early January. Obviously, I'm just speculating, but it says something if he was given the go-ahead to confirm his move. They wouldn't have done that if they didn't think they were close.


Yeah - who would willingly move to Winnipeg in the winter if they didn't have to?!?

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Adam wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 11:40

OilPeg wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 10:30

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 09:21

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 December 2020 18:41

Oilers news!!!!! Wooo!


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-notebook-whats-n ew-edmontons-players-overseas/

Quote:

No miracle to report on the Oscar Klefbom front, as he tries to decide how best to handle what is believed to be an arthritic shoulder.

“Nothing has changed,” Holland said. “He’s hoping to be healthy for September. Next year’s training camp. I’m 99.9 percent sure Klef is not going to play in the 20-21 season.”


So, guess we're waiting for the season to start to sign anyone else in order to maximize the LTIR from Klef being out.

Stauffer has had a guy named Hart Levine on his show many times who's a money guy and knows how the cap works totally and he's said the best way to maximize Klef's LTIR is to get right up to the cap as close as you can when you have to set rosters. So do paper transactions with sending guys down, even if you are technically a player or 2 short roster size wise so you are cap compliant, then the next day put Klef on LTIR so you get his full salary of relief. So if you look at the Oilers roster on capfriendly, they are 242K over at the moment. That's with 15 forwards, 7 dmen and 2 goalies. Now Bear isn't signed yet but they have an extra forward on the roster.

So my guess is they will do exactly like I said above. Maybe Bear goes into the roster setting day as "unsigned" but there is a deal ready to go. you do your shuffling, get compliant, the next day put Klef on LTIR and 2 mins later Bear's new deal gets announced. As a player, you are allowed to go to camp with no contract, you are just taking on the risk of getting injured. With the compressed schedule and available time, I don't think there will be much of a camp at all. Maybe 2 weeks tops just for the guys to get some practices in together, maybe 1 preseason game but that's it.

My guess is they won't start the season until the beginning of February. It's already December. You have to get guys to your city from all over the world and they need time to quarantine. So even if you had an agreement today, 2 weeks of quarantine puts you a week from Christmas. So my guess is an agreement will get announced a few days after news years. All the players do their quarantine, camp starts mid January, season Feb 1st and it will be a 48 games season which at that point, what is the point of Klef coming back and not being 100% healthy.

So I work in the moving business in Winnipeg and Paul Stastny's move from Vegas to Winnipeg came across my desk last week. His load date in Vegas is December 8, so that would likely put him in Winnipeg the week afterwards to await his belongings and clear customs, etc. To me, this points towards training camps starting just before Christmas with the season starting in early January. Obviously, I'm just speculating, but it says something if he was given the go-ahead to confirm his move. They wouldn't have done that if they didn't think they were close.


Yeah - who would willingly move to Winnipeg in the winter if they didn't have to?!?

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OilPeg wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 10:30


So I work in the moving business in Winnipeg and <a players> move from <current location> to Winnipeg came across my desk last week. His load date in <current location> is December 8, so that would likely put him in Winnipeg the week afterwards to await his belongings and clear customs, etc. To me, this points towards training camps starting just before Christmas with the season starting in early January. Obviously, I'm just speculating, but it says something if he was given the go-ahead to confirm his move. They wouldn't have done that if they didn't think they were close.


I may just be paranoid, but your description of what you saw at work seems dangerously specific :)

Not to say the info isn't appreciated. Would be a great sign if players were operating with some confidence the season is on track to reboot.

[Updated on: Wed, 02 December 2020 10:46]

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 11:43

OilPeg wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 10:30


So I work in the moving business in Winnipeg and <a players> move from <current location> to Winnipeg came across my desk last week. His load date in <current location> is December 8, so that would likely put him in Winnipeg the week afterwards to await his belongings and clear customs, etc. To me, this points towards training camps starting just before Christmas with the season starting in early January. Obviously, I'm just speculating, but it says something if he was given the go-ahead to confirm his move. They wouldn't have done that if they didn't think they were close.


I may just be paranoid, but your description of what you saw at work seems dangerously specific :)

Not to say the info isn't appreciated. Would be a great sign if players were operating with some confidence the season is on track to reboot.

Dangerously specific? LOL I could give you his new address too, if you want? I mean, I won't, but you get my point. I think it's pretty silly to think that it wouldn't be obvious who the player is anyway with your redactions. I get your point, though.

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 02 June 2012 00:29

But he (Belanger)'s as soft as room temp. margarine.

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OilPeg wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 06:59

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 11:43

OilPeg wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 10:30


So I work in the moving business in Winnipeg and <a players> move from <current location> to Winnipeg came across my desk last week. His load date in <current location> is December 8, so that would likely put him in Winnipeg the week afterwards to await his belongings and clear customs, etc. To me, this points towards training camps starting just before Christmas with the season starting in early January. Obviously, I'm just speculating, but it says something if he was given the go-ahead to confirm his move. They wouldn't have done that if they didn't think they were close.


I may just be paranoid, but your description of what you saw at work seems dangerously specific :)

Not to say the info isn't appreciated. Would be a great sign if players were operating with some confidence the season is on track to reboot.

Dangerously specific? LOL I could give you his new address too, if you want? I mean, I won't, but you get my point. I think it's pretty silly to think that it wouldn't be obvious who the player is anyway with your redactions. I get your point, though.


lol, hey, just trying to use my internet paranoia to help out a fellow oilfan :)

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OilPeg wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 10:30

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 09:21

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 December 2020 18:41

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https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-notebook-whats-n ew-edmontons-players-overseas/

Quote:

No miracle to report on the Oscar Klefbom front, as he tries to decide how best to handle what is believed to be an arthritic shoulder.

“Nothing has changed,” Holland said. “He’s hoping to be healthy for September. Next year’s training camp. I’m 99.9 percent sure Klef is not going to play in the 20-21 season.”


So, guess we're waiting for the season to start to sign anyone else in order to maximize the LTIR from Klef being out.

Stauffer has had a guy named Hart Levine on his show many times who's a money guy and knows how the cap works totally and he's said the best way to maximize Klef's LTIR is to get right up to the cap as close as you can when you have to set rosters. So do paper transactions with sending guys down, even if you are technically a player or 2 short roster size wise so you are cap compliant, then the next day put Klef on LTIR so you get his full salary of relief. So if you look at the Oilers roster on capfriendly, they are 242K over at the moment. That's with 15 forwards, 7 dmen and 2 goalies. Now Bear isn't signed yet but they have an extra forward on the roster.

So my guess is they will do exactly like I said above. Maybe Bear goes into the roster setting day as "unsigned" but there is a deal ready to go. you do your shuffling, get compliant, the next day put Klef on LTIR and 2 mins later Bear's new deal gets announced. As a player, you are allowed to go to camp with no contract, you are just taking on the risk of getting injured. With the compressed schedule and available time, I don't think there will be much of a camp at all. Maybe 2 weeks tops just for the guys to get some practices in together, maybe 1 preseason game but that's it.

My guess is they won't start the season until the beginning of February. It's already December. You have to get guys to your city from all over the world and they need time to quarantine. So even if you had an agreement today, 2 weeks of quarantine puts you a week from Christmas. So my guess is an agreement will get announced a few days after news years. All the players do their quarantine, camp starts mid January, season Feb 1st and it will be a 48 games season which at that point, what is the point of Klef coming back and not being 100% healthy.

So I work in the moving business in Winnipeg and Paul Stastny's move from Vegas to Winnipeg came across my desk last week. His load date in Vegas is December 8, so that would likely put him in Winnipeg the week afterwards to await his belongings and clear customs, etc. To me, this points towards training camps starting just before Christmas with the season starting in early January. Obviously, I'm just speculating, but it says something if he was given the go-ahead to confirm his move. They wouldn't have done that if they didn't think they were close.

The NHL has never played any games or had practices over Christmas, they always have several days off. So I can't see them starting right before Christmas. You'd be making all these European guys leave their families right before Christmas. The year has already been crappy on everyone, I just don't see that happening. I could see them telling all the players to come over and get to their Cities to do whatever quarantine they need to do right after Christmas so they start camp early January.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 December 2020 18:41

Oilers news!!!!! Wooo!


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-notebook-whats-n ew-edmontons-players-overseas/

Quote:

No miracle to report on the Oscar Klefbom front, as he tries to decide how best to handle what is believed to be an arthritic shoulder.

“Nothing has changed,” Holland said. “He’s hoping to be healthy for September. Next year’s training camp. I’m 99.9 percent sure Klef is not going to play in the 20-21 season.”


So, guess we're waiting for the season to start to sign anyone else in order to maximize the LTIR from Klef being out.


Arthritis? Ughh. That's not good as a chronic condition for someone who is what, 26 or 27? Surgery to remove bone spurs and growths, constant attention and I'm assuming meds to continue as a pro athlete. With arthritis, the shoulder is unstable by nature, can become brittle, and apart from mobility issues due to bony growth, there are also more than one muscle group that are affected in inflammation and unnatural compensation issues. That shouldn't be kicking in until the guy is in his 40s at least (speaking from the experience of a finely tuned sometime semi sorta not really athlete).

'Healthy for September'? Healthy? Pfft. I'd say Oscar's value is pretty much in the tank, hope I'm wrong.

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K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 11:38

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 December 2020 18:41

Oilers news!!!!! Wooo!


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-notebook-whats-n ew-edmontons-players-overseas/

Quote:

No miracle to report on the Oscar Klefbom front, as he tries to decide how best to handle what is believed to be an arthritic shoulder.

“Nothing has changed,” Holland said. “He’s hoping to be healthy for September. Next year’s training camp. I’m 99.9 percent sure Klef is not going to play in the 20-21 season.”


So, guess we're waiting for the season to start to sign anyone else in order to maximize the LTIR from Klef being out.


Arthritis? Ughh. That's not good as a chronic condition for someone who is what, 26 or 27? Surgery to remove bone spurs and growths, constant attention and I'm assuming meds to continue as a pro athlete. With arthritis, the shoulder is unstable by nature, can become brittle, and apart from mobility issues due to bony growth, there are also more than one muscle group that are affected in inflammation and unnatural compensation issues. That shouldn't be kicking in until the guy is in his 40s at least (speaking from the experience of a finely tuned sometime semi sorta not really athlete).

'Healthy for September'? Healthy? Pfft. I'd say Oscar's value is pretty much in the tank, hope I'm wrong.


Oilers need to be actively looking for a #1 defenseman. It is far from certain we get that from Klefbom again, even if he doesn't retire.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 11:10

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 11:38

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 December 2020 18:41

Oilers news!!!!! Wooo!


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-notebook-whats-n ew-edmontons-players-overseas/

Quote:

No miracle to report on the Oscar Klefbom front, as he tries to decide how best to handle what is believed to be an arthritic shoulder.

“Nothing has changed,” Holland said. “He’s hoping to be healthy for September. Next year’s training camp. I’m 99.9 percent sure Klef is not going to play in the 20-21 season.”


So, guess we're waiting for the season to start to sign anyone else in order to maximize the LTIR from Klef being out.


Arthritis? Ughh. That's not good as a chronic condition for someone who is what, 26 or 27? Surgery to remove bone spurs and growths, constant attention and I'm assuming meds to continue as a pro athlete. With arthritis, the shoulder is unstable by nature, can become brittle, and apart from mobility issues due to bony growth, there are also more than one muscle group that are affected in inflammation and unnatural compensation issues. That shouldn't be kicking in until the guy is in his 40s at least (speaking from the experience of a finely tuned sometime semi sorta not really athlete).

'Healthy for September'? Healthy? Pfft. I'd say Oscar's value is pretty much in the tank, hope I'm wrong.


Oilers need to be actively looking for a #1 defenseman. It is far from certain we get that from Klefbom again, even if he doesn't retire.


In the short term, Nurse needs to step up 5v5, and Barrie can take the PP. Not saying this is an ideal replacement for Klefbom, but it's also not the worst our D depth has ever been. I don't think I would go out and acquire a top pairing D right now, or even next offseason given what the cost will be, not to mention the young D coming up.


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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 12:10

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 11:38

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 December 2020 18:41

Oilers news!!!!! Wooo!


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-notebook-whats-n ew-edmontons-players-overseas/

Quote:

No miracle to report on the Oscar Klefbom front, as he tries to decide how best to handle what is believed to be an arthritic shoulder.

“Nothing has changed,” Holland said. “He’s hoping to be healthy for September. Next year’s training camp. I’m 99.9 percent sure Klef is not going to play in the 20-21 season.”


So, guess we're waiting for the season to start to sign anyone else in order to maximize the LTIR from Klef being out.


Arthritis? Ughh. That's not good as a chronic condition for someone who is what, 26 or 27? Surgery to remove bone spurs and growths, constant attention and I'm assuming meds to continue as a pro athlete. With arthritis, the shoulder is unstable by nature, can become brittle, and apart from mobility issues due to bony growth, there are also more than one muscle group that are affected in inflammation and unnatural compensation issues. That shouldn't be kicking in until the guy is in his 40s at least (speaking from the experience of a finely tuned sometime semi sorta not really athlete).

'Healthy for September'? Healthy? Pfft. I'd say Oscar's value is pretty much in the tank, hope I'm wrong.


Oilers need to be actively looking for a #1 defenseman. It is far from certain we get that from Klefbom again, even if he doesn't retire.

I don't think its possible to bring in a #1 dman. These guys don't move around that often and more times than not, you can only get them when they are past their prime and overprices. See Pietrangelo.

I think they will get that #1 internally. One of Broberg, Jones or Samorukov will surprise us is my prediction. I think Nurse settles into a really solid #2 dman starting this season.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 12:08

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 12:10

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 11:38

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 December 2020 18:41

Oilers news!!!!! Wooo!


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-notebook-whats-n ew-edmontons-players-overseas/

Quote:

No miracle to report on the Oscar Klefbom front, as he tries to decide how best to handle what is believed to be an arthritic shoulder.

“Nothing has changed,” Holland said. “He’s hoping to be healthy for September. Next year’s training camp. I’m 99.9 percent sure Klef is not going to play in the 20-21 season.”


So, guess we're waiting for the season to start to sign anyone else in order to maximize the LTIR from Klef being out.


Arthritis? Ughh. That's not good as a chronic condition for someone who is what, 26 or 27? Surgery to remove bone spurs and growths, constant attention and I'm assuming meds to continue as a pro athlete. With arthritis, the shoulder is unstable by nature, can become brittle, and apart from mobility issues due to bony growth, there are also more than one muscle group that are affected in inflammation and unnatural compensation issues. That shouldn't be kicking in until the guy is in his 40s at least (speaking from the experience of a finely tuned sometime semi sorta not really athlete).

'Healthy for September'? Healthy? Pfft. I'd say Oscar's value is pretty much in the tank, hope I'm wrong.


Oilers need to be actively looking for a #1 defenseman. It is far from certain we get that from Klefbom again, even if he doesn't retire.

I don't think its possible to bring in a #1 dman. These guys don't move around that often and more times than not, you can only get them when they are past their prime and overprices. See Pietrangelo.

I think they will get that #1 internally. One of Broberg, Jones or Samorukov will surprise us is my prediction. I think Nurse settles into a really solid #2 dman starting this season.


Nurse will be forced to play top pair minutes this season, I don't see any way around tha0,t to start anyway. If Nurse struggles or gets hurt you're looking at Jones in that spot, or playing a RD on the left side. We're going to need a very healthy Nurse (hehehe) this season.


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jds308 wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 13:16

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 12:08

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 12:10

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 11:38

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 December 2020 18:41

Oilers news!!!!! Wooo!


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-notebook-whats-n ew-edmontons-players-overseas/

Quote:

No miracle to report on the Oscar Klefbom front, as he tries to decide how best to handle what is believed to be an arthritic shoulder.

“Nothing has changed,” Holland said. “He’s hoping to be healthy for September. Next year’s training camp. I’m 99.9 percent sure Klef is not going to play in the 20-21 season.”


So, guess we're waiting for the season to start to sign anyone else in order to maximize the LTIR from Klef being out.


Arthritis? Ughh. That's not good as a chronic condition for someone who is what, 26 or 27? Surgery to remove bone spurs and growths, constant attention and I'm assuming meds to continue as a pro athlete. With arthritis, the shoulder is unstable by nature, can become brittle, and apart from mobility issues due to bony growth, there are also more than one muscle group that are affected in inflammation and unnatural compensation issues. That shouldn't be kicking in until the guy is in his 40s at least (speaking from the experience of a finely tuned sometime semi sorta not really athlete).

'Healthy for September'? Healthy? Pfft. I'd say Oscar's value is pretty much in the tank, hope I'm wrong.


Oilers need to be actively looking for a #1 defenseman. It is far from certain we get that from Klefbom again, even if he doesn't retire.

I don't think its possible to bring in a #1 dman. These guys don't move around that often and more times than not, you can only get them when they are past their prime and overprices. See Pietrangelo.

I think they will get that #1 internally. One of Broberg, Jones or Samorukov will surprise us is my prediction. I think Nurse settles into a really solid #2 dman starting this season.


Nurse will be forced to play top pair minutes this season, I don't see any way around tha0,t to start anyway. If Nurse struggles or gets hurt you're looking at Jones in that spot, or playing a RD on the left side. We're going to need a very healthy Nurse (hehehe) this season.


I agree, I think Nurse will take on a bigger role but I also think having a guy like Barrie to handle the PP time will be HUGE for the Oilers. Just because it takes the burden of that job off others plates you maybe aren't best suited. Even if Klefbom was healthy, not having to be on the PP would be a benefit to him.

I have said it before, I think the Oilers should be looking at building 3 real good pairings rather than having more traditional #1 pair, then #2 pair, then it drops off to your #3 that you play sparingly. Instead of having that 1 paring playing 25 mins a night and your #3 playing maybe 13 because you are scared to play them against anyone good, you have more balanced minutes.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 13:08

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 12:10

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 11:38

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 December 2020 18:41

Oilers news!!!!! Wooo!


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-notebook-whats-n ew-edmontons-players-overseas/

Quote:

No miracle to report on the Oscar Klefbom front, as he tries to decide how best to handle what is believed to be an arthritic shoulder.

“Nothing has changed,” Holland said. “He’s hoping to be healthy for September. Next year’s training camp. I’m 99.9 percent sure Klef is not going to play in the 20-21 season.”


So, guess we're waiting for the season to start to sign anyone else in order to maximize the LTIR from Klef being out.


Arthritis? Ughh. That's not good as a chronic condition for someone who is what, 26 or 27? Surgery to remove bone spurs and growths, constant attention and I'm assuming meds to continue as a pro athlete. With arthritis, the shoulder is unstable by nature, can become brittle, and apart from mobility issues due to bony growth, there are also more than one muscle group that are affected in inflammation and unnatural compensation issues. That shouldn't be kicking in until the guy is in his 40s at least (speaking from the experience of a finely tuned sometime semi sorta not really athlete).

'Healthy for September'? Healthy? Pfft. I'd say Oscar's value is pretty much in the tank, hope I'm wrong.


Oilers need to be actively looking for a #1 defenseman. It is far from certain we get that from Klefbom again, even if he doesn't retire.

I don't think its possible to bring in a #1 dman. These guys don't move around that often and more times than not, you can only get them when they are past their prime and overprices. See Pietrangelo.

I think they will get that #1 internally. One of Broberg, Jones or Samorukov will surprise us is my prediction. I think Nurse settles into a really solid #2 dman starting this season.


With the McDavid and Draistial clocks ticking, I don't think the Oilers have the luxury of waiting and hoping/wishing.

They should revisit the OEL talks. They don't move often, but they do move. And even if it is an overpay, given where the Oilers are now, it might be the time to pay premium in order to not waste the opportunity window of your more valuable assets.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 14:20

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 13:08

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 12:10

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 11:38

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 December 2020 18:41

Oilers news!!!!! Wooo!


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-notebook-whats-n ew-edmontons-players-overseas/

Quote:

No miracle to report on the Oscar Klefbom front, as he tries to decide how best to handle what is believed to be an arthritic shoulder.

“Nothing has changed,” Holland said. “He’s hoping to be healthy for September. Next year’s training camp. I’m 99.9 percent sure Klef is not going to play in the 20-21 season.”


So, guess we're waiting for the season to start to sign anyone else in order to maximize the LTIR from Klef being out.


Arthritis? Ughh. That's not good as a chronic condition for someone who is what, 26 or 27? Surgery to remove bone spurs and growths, constant attention and I'm assuming meds to continue as a pro athlete. With arthritis, the shoulder is unstable by nature, can become brittle, and apart from mobility issues due to bony growth, there are also more than one muscle group that are affected in inflammation and unnatural compensation issues. That shouldn't be kicking in until the guy is in his 40s at least (speaking from the experience of a finely tuned sometime semi sorta not really athlete).

'Healthy for September'? Healthy? Pfft. I'd say Oscar's value is pretty much in the tank, hope I'm wrong.


Oilers need to be actively looking for a #1 defenseman. It is far from certain we get that from Klefbom again, even if he doesn't retire.

I don't think its possible to bring in a #1 dman. These guys don't move around that often and more times than not, you can only get them when they are past their prime and overprices. See Pietrangelo.

I think they will get that #1 internally. One of Broberg, Jones or Samorukov will surprise us is my prediction. I think Nurse settles into a really solid #2 dman starting this season.


With the McDavid and Draistial clocks ticking, I don't think the Oilers have the luxury of waiting and hoping/wishing.

They should revisit the OEL talks. They don't move often, but they do move. And even if it is an overpay, given where the Oilers are now, it might be the time to pay premium in order to not waste the opportunity window of your more valuable assets.

What for? First of all he would only allow a trade to 2 teams. Secondly, when the OEL talk came up, I kept hearing all these stats guys saying the numbers are showing he's hasn't been performing at a #1 dman level for some time now. So you'd be bringing on a going to be 30 yr old, way overpaid both in dollars at 8.25 and term at 6 more years, declining in play dman all to get maybe a marginal upgrade on Klefbom when he's healthy?

He makes 550K less than Pietrangelo and they aren't even close. A trade like that would be a disaster.

The Oilers defense last year was good enough for them to be first or second in the west all season, that was with having a less than healthy Klefbom, 2 guys who can't skate in Larsson and Benning and a severe lack of any kind of puck moving or offense. I don't think their defense is amazing but they have upgraded their speed and puck moving dramatically and brought in more offence and I don't think losing Klefbom will be as big of a loss as some do.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 14:26

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 14:20

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 13:08

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 12:10

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 11:38

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 December 2020 18:41

Oilers news!!!!! Wooo!


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-notebook-whats-n ew-edmontons-players-overseas/

Quote:

No miracle to report on the Oscar Klefbom front, as he tries to decide how best to handle what is believed to be an arthritic shoulder.

“Nothing has changed,” Holland said. “He’s hoping to be healthy for September. Next year’s training camp. I’m 99.9 percent sure Klef is not going to play in the 20-21 season.”


So, guess we're waiting for the season to start to sign anyone else in order to maximize the LTIR from Klef being out.


Arthritis? Ughh. That's not good as a chronic condition for someone who is what, 26 or 27? Surgery to remove bone spurs and growths, constant attention and I'm assuming meds to continue as a pro athlete. With arthritis, the shoulder is unstable by nature, can become brittle, and apart from mobility issues due to bony growth, there are also more than one muscle group that are affected in inflammation and unnatural compensation issues. That shouldn't be kicking in until the guy is in his 40s at least (speaking from the experience of a finely tuned sometime semi sorta not really athlete).

'Healthy for September'? Healthy? Pfft. I'd say Oscar's value is pretty much in the tank, hope I'm wrong.


Oilers need to be actively looking for a #1 defenseman. It is far from certain we get that from Klefbom again, even if he doesn't retire.

I don't think its possible to bring in a #1 dman. These guys don't move around that often and more times than not, you can only get them when they are past their prime and overprices. See Pietrangelo.

I think they will get that #1 internally. One of Broberg, Jones or Samorukov will surprise us is my prediction. I think Nurse settles into a really solid #2 dman starting this season.


With the McDavid and Draistial clocks ticking, I don't think the Oilers have the luxury of waiting and hoping/wishing.

They should revisit the OEL talks. They don't move often, but they do move. And even if it is an overpay, given where the Oilers are now, it might be the time to pay premium in order to not waste the opportunity window of your more valuable assets.

What for? First of all he would only allow a trade to 2 teams. Secondly, when the OEL talk came up, I kept hearing all these stats guys saying the numbers are showing he's hasn't been performing at a #1 dman level for some time now. So you'd be bringing on a going to be 30 yr old, way overpaid both in dollars at 8.25 and term at 6 more years, declining in play dman all to get maybe a marginal upgrade on Klefbom when he's healthy?

He makes 550K less than Pietrangelo and they aren't even close. A trade like that would be a disaster.

The Oilers defense last year was good enough for them to be first or second in the west all season, that was with having a less than healthy Klefbom, 2 guys who can't skate in Larsson and Benning and a severe lack of any kind of puck moving or offense. I don't think their defense is amazing but they have upgraded their speed and puck moving dramatically and brought in more offence and I don't think losing Klefbom will be as big of a loss as some do.


You know what would be a disaster? McDavid and Draisaitl being first and second in league scoring and then being walked by a weak team in the first round of the playoffs. It's time for the Oilers to compete before you lose the league's two best players.

Even if they don't get a #1, they need a first pairing guy.

The Oilers weren't first or second in the west - they were second in the Pacific, arguably one of the weakest divisions in the NHL. When it came time to perform, they got exposed. This year, they likely are competing in a Canadian division.

It remains to be seen, but I think Nurse gets exposed a lot this year in his elevated role and the Oilers will realize too late that the Klefbom absence hurts them and can't be filled internally. I think Bear and Jones take steps forward, but they still are missing a key guy back there.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 14:40

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 14:26

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 14:20

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 13:08

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 12:10

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 02 December 2020 11:38

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 December 2020 18:41

Oilers news!!!!! Wooo!


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-notebook-whats-n ew-edmontons-players-overseas/

Quote:

No miracle to report on the Oscar Klefbom front, as he tries to decide how best to handle what is believed to be an arthritic shoulder.

“Nothing has changed,” Holland said. “He’s hoping to be healthy for September. Next year’s training camp. I’m 99.9 percent sure Klef is not going to play in the 20-21 season.”


So, guess we're waiting for the season to start to sign anyone else in order to maximize the LTIR from Klef being out.


Arthritis? Ughh. That's not good as a chronic condition for someone who is what, 26 or 27? Surgery to remove bone spurs and growths, constant attention and I'm assuming meds to continue as a pro athlete. With arthritis, the shoulder is unstable by nature, can become brittle, and apart from mobility issues due to bony growth, there are also more than one muscle group that are affected in inflammation and unnatural compensation issues. That shouldn't be kicking in until the guy is in his 40s at least (speaking from the experience of a finely tuned sometime semi sorta not really athlete).

'Healthy for September'? Healthy? Pfft. I'd say Oscar's value is pretty much in the tank, hope I'm wrong.


Oilers need to be actively looking for a #1 defenseman. It is far from certain we get that from Klefbom again, even if he doesn't retire.

I don't think its possible to bring in a #1 dman. These guys don't move around that often and more times than not, you can only get them when they are past their prime and overprices. See Pietrangelo.

I think they will get that #1 internally. One of Broberg, Jones or Samorukov will surprise us is my prediction. I think Nurse settles into a really solid #2 dman starting this season.


With the McDavid and Draistial clocks ticking, I don't think the Oilers have the luxury of waiting and hoping/wishing.

They should revisit the OEL talks. They don't move often, but they do move. And even if it is an overpay, given where the Oilers are now, it might be the time to pay premium in order to not waste the opportunity window of your more valuable assets.

What for? First of all he would only allow a trade to 2 teams. Secondly, when the OEL talk came up, I kept hearing all these stats guys saying the numbers are showing he's hasn't been performing at a #1 dman level for some time now. So you'd be bringing on a going to be 30 yr old, way overpaid both in dollars at 8.25 and term at 6 more years, declining in play dman all to get maybe a marginal upgrade on Klefbom when he's healthy?

He makes 550K less than Pietrangelo and they aren't even close. A trade like that would be a disaster.

The Oilers defense last year was good enough for them to be first or second in the west all season, that was with having a less than healthy Klefbom, 2 guys who can't skate in Larsson and Benning and a severe lack of any kind of puck moving or offense. I don't think their defense is amazing but they have upgraded their speed and puck moving dramatically and brought in more offence and I don't think losing Klefbom will be as big of a loss as some do.


You know what would be a disaster? McDavid and Draisaitl being first and second in league scoring and then being walked by a weak team in the first round of the playoffs. It's time for the Oilers to compete before you lose the league's two best players.

Even if they don't get a #1, they need a first pairing guy.

The Oilers weren't first or second in the west - they were second in the Pacific, arguably one of the weakest divisions in the NHL. When it came time to perform, they got exposed. This year, they likely are competing in a Canadian division.

It remains to be seen, but I think Nurse gets exposed a lot this year in his elevated role and the Oilers will realize too late that the Klefbom absence hurts them and can't be filled internally. I think Bear and Jones take steps forward, but they still are missing a key guy back there.

I think it's completely foolish to make decisions about the team based on the 1.5 weeks of hockey they played in the play in. I get it, they sucked in that short stint. Teams go through bad stints of hockey and the Oilers picked the worst time to do it. I have a hard time picking out 5 guys on the Oilers that did well in that series.



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Oilers news!!!!! Wooo!


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-notebook-whats-n ew-edmontons-players-overseas/

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No miracle to report on the Oscar Klefbom front, as he tries to decide how best to handle what is believed to be an arthritic shoulder.

“Nothing has changed,” Holland said. “He’s hoping to be healthy for September. Next year’s training camp. I’m 99.9 percent sure Klef is not going to play in the 20-21 season.”


So, guess we're waiting for the season to start to sign anyone else in order to maximize the LTIR from Klef being out.


Arthritis? Ughh. That's not good as a chronic condition for someone who is what, 26 or 27? Surgery to remove bone spurs and growths, constant attention and I'm assuming meds to continue as a pro athlete. With arthritis, the shoulder is unstable by nature, can become brittle, and apart from mobility issues due to bony growth, there are also more than one muscle group that are affected in inflammation and unnatural compensation issues. That shouldn't be kicking in until the guy is in his 40s at least (speaking from the experience of a finely tuned sometime semi sorta not really athlete).

'Healthy for September'? Healthy? Pfft. I'd say Oscar's value is pretty much in the tank, hope I'm wrong.


Oilers need to be actively looking for a #1 defenseman. It is far from certain we get that from Klefbom again, even if he doesn't retire.

I don't think its possible to bring in a #1 dman. These guys don't move around that often and more times than not, you can only get them when they are past their prime and overprices. See Pietrangelo.

I think they will get that #1 internally. One of Broberg, Jones or Samorukov will surprise us is my prediction. I think Nurse settles into a really solid #2 dman starting this season.


With the McDavid and Draistial clocks ticking, I don't think the Oilers have the luxury of waiting and hoping/wishing.

They should revisit the OEL talks. They don't move often, but they do move. And even if it is an overpay, given where the Oilers are now, it might be the time to pay premium in order to not waste the opportunity window of your more valuable assets.

What for? First of all he would only allow a trade to 2 teams. Secondly, when the OEL talk came up, I kept hearing all these stats guys saying the numbers are showing he's hasn't been performing at a #1 dman level for some time now. So you'd be bringing on a going to be 30 yr old, way overpaid both in dollars at 8.25 and term at 6 more years, declining in play dman all to get maybe a marginal upgrade on Klefbom when he's healthy?

He makes 550K less than Pietrangelo and they aren't even close. A trade like that would be a disaster.

The Oilers defense last year was good enough for them to be first or second in the west all season, that was with having a less than healthy Klefbom, 2 guys who can't skate in Larsson and Benning and a severe lack of any kind of puck moving or offense. I don't think their defense is amazing but they have upgraded their speed and puck moving dramatically and brought in more offence and I don't think losing Klefbom will be as big of a loss as some do.


You know what would be a disaster? McDavid and Draisaitl being first and second in league scoring and then being walked by a weak team in the first round of the playoffs. It's time for the Oilers to compete before you lose the league's two best players.

Even if they don't get a #1, they need a first pairing guy.

The Oilers weren't first or second in the west - they were second in the Pacific, arguably one of the weakest divisions in the NHL. When it came time to perform, they got exposed. This year, they likely are competing in a Canadian division.

It remains to be seen, but I think Nurse gets exposed a lot this year in his elevated role and the Oilers will realize too late that the Klefbom absence hurts them and can't be filled internally. I think Bear and Jones take steps forward, but they still are missing a key guy back there.

I think it's completely foolish to make decisions about the team based on the 1.5 weeks of hockey they played in the play in. I get it, they sucked in that short stint. Teams go through bad stints of hockey and the Oilers picked the worst time to do it. I have a hard time picking out 5 guys on the Oilers that did well in that series.




I guess we could also pick the season before where McDavid and Draisaitl were #1 and #2 in league scoring and the Oilers missed the playoffs if we want a larger sample size. Or the season before where they were 1st and 30th and missed the playoffs.

The forward depth has improved since then. The defense has some legitimate prospects in Bear and Jones (with Broberg and Bouchard). The defensive core (Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, Russell) has remained largely the same.

Bear and Barrie are legitimate additions to the Top-4. Maybe Jones too. Not sure you would consider any of them top-pairing players. Maybe Bear.

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I guess we could also pick the season before where McDavid and Draisaitl were #1 and #2 in league scoring and the Oilers missed the playoffs if we want a larger sample size. Or the season before where they were 1st and 30th and missed the playoffs.

The forward depth has improved since then. The defense has some legitimate prospects in Bear and Jones (with Broberg and Bouchard). The defensive core (Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, Russell) has remained largely the same.

Bear and Barrie are legitimate additions to the Top-4. Maybe Jones too. Not sure you would consider any of them top-pairing players. Maybe Bear.


While I agree that the loss of Klefbom is a big one and that we will miss him, I don't think it's the biggest hole on the team and I'm less concerned with the defence than I am with the other one we didn't change at all. Goalie is where the Oilers have fallen flat the most over the last two years and it edged out poor coaching decisions for the biggest reason the Oilers blew it in the summer's playoff round.

Defence - we do have Bear and Jones ready to play a larger role. That helps significantly. If Russell is playing less, we're better. Benning is a loss, but not a big one and maybe is replaced by Barrie and/or Bouchard. If Bouchard is really an impact player, this is the point where he should be ready to make the jump. He tied for 2nd in scoring on the Condors last year, so there's some up arrows. It's time for him to show it at the NHL level.

Only challenge for him will be that the team just put Barrie in to the mix, and he's likely to play a very similar role.

The defence could be challenged by a declining Larsson, an over-used Russell, and growing pains from young players - but it's not the weakest spot on the team. I think not only is it stronger than the goaltending (by far the worst weakness for the team), it also is stronger than the team's bottom six forwards. The team still is missing at least one top six forward too, which means that we're playing someone up the lineup who probably should be a third or fourth liner. It's far from a perfect roster, but I really think defence isn't the worst part of it - even with Klefbom missing.

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I think it's completely foolish to make decisions about the team based on the 1.5 weeks of hockey they played in the play in. I get it, they sucked in that short stint. Teams go through bad stints of hockey and the Oilers picked the worst time to do it. I have a hard time picking out 5 guys on the Oilers that did well in that series.




That series only lasted 4 games but to say it wasn't typical of how the team performed would be inaccurate. Games where McDavid and Draisaitl didn't outscore the other team the Oilers virtually always lost.

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I think it's completely foolish to make decisions about the team based on the 1.5 weeks of hockey they played in the play in. I get it, they sucked in that short stint. Teams go through bad stints of hockey and the Oilers picked the worst time to do it. I have a hard time picking out 5 guys on the Oilers that did well in that series.




That series only lasted 4 games but to say it wasn't typical of how the team performed would be inaccurate. Games where McDavid and Draisaitl didn't outscore the other team the Oilers virtually always lost.

The team was first or second in the league the entire season. So I have a hard time buying they were a lousy team. You are right, they did need more depth scoring. So they addressed that.

-Yamo - played 27 games last year. His first games was Dec 31. He had 26 pts in 27 games. Do I think he will score almost a point per game? No. Could he get 50 pts in an 82 game season which is second line production. Yes. So that helps with scoring.

- Ennis - isn't a world beater but he's a proven NHLer, top 9 player. Could he give the Oilers in 82 games 12-15 goals, 30 pts? You bet. That would be one hell of an upgrade on say P. Russell who played 47 games and score zero points.

JP is coming over. I don't know what to expect from him. I think/hope he is a decent 3rd liner. MY guess is he scored between 10-15 goals, 30 pts in 82 games. If he does that, that's one hell of an upgrade on Granlund who played 34 games and had 4 pts.

Kahun- I am excited about his signing. I think it is a steal. First season in the NHL, he had 13 goals, 37 pts. Last season he had 12 goals, 31 pts in 56 games. That's 17 goals, 45 pts. I don't know what to expect but a safe bet is 12-15 goals, 30 pts. A big upgrade on guys like Jurco or Cave of the other guys I mentioned.

Turris - HUGE signing in my books. HUGE. He in my opinion is exactly what they needed. A right shooting, can skate, 2 way center who can play on your second unit PP and maybe PK who's a vet but has lots of game left. He's a MASSIVE upgrade over Sheahan who was the Oilers 3rd line center. I have no issue with what Sheahan did simply because he's not a 3rd line center and never will be a 3rd line center.

So they have add 5 better offensively forwards to help with scoring to start the year. 3 of them weren't with the team at all in the play in, the biggest addition being Turris. I believe you have to have 3 good centers to win. The Oilers has 2 elite centers, 1 4th line center in Sheahan in the 3 hole who was awful in the play in and a bubble NHLer as their 4th.

They are WAY better in my opinion.

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So they have add 5 better offensively forwards to help with scoring to start the year. 3 of them weren't with the team at all in the play in, the biggest addition being Turris. I believe you have to have 3 good centers to win. The Oilers has 2 elite centers, 1 4th line center in Sheahan in the 3 hole who was awful in the play in and a bubble NHLer as their 4th.

They are WAY better in my opinion.

I agree it looks like the best offseason in a long time. I think they’re going to leak goals against though. It will be interesting to see if the improved depth scoring out scores the weakened D.

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So they have add 5 better offensively forwards to help with scoring to start the year. 3 of them weren't with the team at all in the play in, the biggest addition being Turris. I believe you have to have 3 good centers to win. The Oilers has 2 elite centers, 1 4th line center in Sheahan in the 3 hole who was awful in the play in and a bubble NHLer as their 4th.

They are WAY better in my opinion.

I agree it looks like the best offseason in a long time. I think they’re going to leak goals against though. It will be interesting to see if the improved depth scoring out scores the weakened D.


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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 09:53

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 08:23


So they have add 5 better offensively forwards to help with scoring to start the year. 3 of them weren't with the team at all in the play in, the biggest addition being Turris. I believe you have to have 3 good centers to win. The Oilers has 2 elite centers, 1 4th line center in Sheahan in the 3 hole who was awful in the play in and a bubble NHLer as their 4th.

They are WAY better in my opinion.

I agree it looks like the best offseason in a long time. I think they’re going to leak goals against though. It will be interesting to see if the improved depth scoring out scores the weakened D.


Don't forget the far-below-average netminding!

Is the goaltending far-below?

https://oilersnation.com/2020/12/02/ranking-nhl-goalies-in-c anadian-division/

There are the numbers comparing him to all the goalies in the potential Canadian division who has some pretty decent goalies in it. From those numbers, sure doesn't look like Koskinen is a bad goalie what so ever.

But other fans say he's bad based on zero evidence so I guess the stats are wrong.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 10:54

Adam wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 10:04

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 09:53

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 08:23


So they have add 5 better offensively forwards to help with scoring to start the year. 3 of them weren't with the team at all in the play in, the biggest addition being Turris. I believe you have to have 3 good centers to win. The Oilers has 2 elite centers, 1 4th line center in Sheahan in the 3 hole who was awful in the play in and a bubble NHLer as their 4th.

They are WAY better in my opinion.

I agree it looks like the best offseason in a long time. I think they’re going to leak goals against though. It will be interesting to see if the improved depth scoring out scores the weakened D.


Don't forget the far-below-average netminding!

Is the goaltending far-below?

https://oilersnation.com/2020/12/02/ranking-nhl-goalies-in-c anadian-division/

There are the numbers comparing him to all the goalies in the potential Canadian division who has some pretty decent goalies in it. From those numbers, sure doesn't look like Koskinen is a bad goalie what so ever.

But other fans say he's bad based on zero evidence so I guess the stats are wrong.




We've seen Koskinen now for a couple seasons in Edmonton. He's been generally mediocre at best and was really bad in the playoffs (although to be fair to him, he probably didn't expect Kris Russell to score on him in every single start).

Mike Smith is atrocious and it's a joke that the Oilers brought him back, and even more of a joke that they didn't pay him league minimum to do so.

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Adam wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 10:59

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 10:54

Adam wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 10:04

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 09:53

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 08:23


So they have add 5 better offensively forwards to help with scoring to start the year. 3 of them weren't with the team at all in the play in, the biggest addition being Turris. I believe you have to have 3 good centers to win. The Oilers has 2 elite centers, 1 4th line center in Sheahan in the 3 hole who was awful in the play in and a bubble NHLer as their 4th.

They are WAY better in my opinion.

I agree it looks like the best offseason in a long time. I think they’re going to leak goals against though. It will be interesting to see if the improved depth scoring out scores the weakened D.


Don't forget the far-below-average netminding!

Is the goaltending far-below?

https://oilersnation.com/2020/12/02/ranking-nhl-goalies-in-c anadian-division/

There are the numbers comparing him to all the goalies in the potential Canadian division who has some pretty decent goalies in it. From those numbers, sure doesn't look like Koskinen is a bad goalie what so ever.

But other fans say he's bad based on zero evidence so I guess the stats are wrong.




We've seen Koskinen now for a couple seasons in Edmonton. He's been generally mediocre at best and was really bad in the playoffs (although to be fair to him, he probably didn't expect Kris Russell to score on him in every single start).

Mike Smith is atrocious and it's a joke that the Oilers brought him back, and even more of a joke that they didn't pay him league minimum to do so.


Can you really blame them for signing Smith though? By the time they signed him there weren't many options out there left drink

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Adam wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 10:59

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 10:54

Adam wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 10:04

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 09:53

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 08:23


So they have add 5 better offensively forwards to help with scoring to start the year. 3 of them weren't with the team at all in the play in, the biggest addition being Turris. I believe you have to have 3 good centers to win. The Oilers has 2 elite centers, 1 4th line center in Sheahan in the 3 hole who was awful in the play in and a bubble NHLer as their 4th.

They are WAY better in my opinion.

I agree it looks like the best offseason in a long time. I think they’re going to leak goals against though. It will be interesting to see if the improved depth scoring out scores the weakened D.


Don't forget the far-below-average netminding!

Is the goaltending far-below?

https://oilersnation.com/2020/12/02/ranking-nhl-goalies-in-c anadian-division/

There are the numbers comparing him to all the goalies in the potential Canadian division who has some pretty decent goalies in it. From those numbers, sure doesn't look like Koskinen is a bad goalie what so ever.

But other fans say he's bad based on zero evidence so I guess the stats are wrong.




We've seen Koskinen now for a couple seasons in Edmonton. He's been generally mediocre at best and was really bad in the playoffs (although to be fair to him, he probably didn't expect Kris Russell to score on him in every single start).

Mike Smith is atrocious and it's a joke that the Oilers brought him back, and even more of a joke that they didn't pay him league minimum to do so.

So you are ignoring the numbers then and just saying that opinion because you have decided he's not good? Based on the numbers I literally posted, he was not "mediocre at best", the numbers say he was pretty decent. They are literally NHL numbers.

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Adam wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 10:59

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 10:54

Adam wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 10:04

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 09:53

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 08:23


So they have add 5 better offensively forwards to help with scoring to start the year. 3 of them weren't with the team at all in the play in, the biggest addition being Turris. I believe you have to have 3 good centers to win. The Oilers has 2 elite centers, 1 4th line center in Sheahan in the 3 hole who was awful in the play in and a bubble NHLer as their 4th.

They are WAY better in my opinion.

I agree it looks like the best offseason in a long time. I think they’re going to leak goals against though. It will be interesting to see if the improved depth scoring out scores the weakened D.


Don't forget the far-below-average netminding!

Is the goaltending far-below?

https://oilersnation.com/2020/12/02/ranking-nhl-goalies-in-c anadian-division/

There are the numbers comparing him to all the goalies in the potential Canadian division who has some pretty decent goalies in it. From those numbers, sure doesn't look like Koskinen is a bad goalie what so ever.

But other fans say he's bad based on zero evidence so I guess the stats are wrong.




We've seen Koskinen now for a couple seasons in Edmonton. He's been generally mediocre at best and was really bad in the playoffs (although to be fair to him, he probably didn't expect Kris Russell to score on him in every single start).

Mike Smith is atrocious and it's a joke that the Oilers brought him back, and even more of a joke that they didn't pay him league minimum to do so.


I have to disagree here. I think Koskinen has been excellent at best and mediocre at worst. I don't think he was really bad in the playin (Smith definitely was bad there!), and without SnowAngel on defense, and a healthy Klefbom (he was terrible but now we know injured) the Oilers are at least in the 2nd round of the actual playoffs.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 16 October 2020 00:38

Near as I can tell, Mike Smith was .911 post-December (574 shots against, 51 goals against, 523 saves). Appeared in 19 games, and produced the following results:

- 9 games .900 or below
- 1 game between .901 and .910
- 1 game between .911 and .920
- 6 games between .921 and .950
- 2 games between .951 and .999
- 0 games of 1.000

Consistency was his issue all year. He had a few games he stole, but you could count on a subpar game more often than not, even after December ended. He was better than he was the first half of the year, but really at best you could say he was average across the league even during this best stretch of hockey.

https://www.nhl.com/player/mike-smith-8469608?stats=gamelogs -r-nhl&season=20192020

For comparison, here is Koskinen for that same stretch:

In 12 game appearances, he was .929 post-December (382 shots against, 27 goals against, 355 saves) and produced the following results:

- 3 games .900 or below
- 1 game between .901 and .910
- 0 games between .911 and .920
- 3 games between .921 and .950
- 3 games between .951 or .999
- 2 games of 1.000

https://www.nhl.com/player/mikko-koskinen-8475156?stats=game logs-r-nhl&season=20192020

8 of 12 games at .920 or higher. It's baffling why Tippett decided to go with Smith over Koskinen, and I think playoff credit has to lean more towards Mikko than Mike.


The issue with Koskinen is a fairly small sample size. He wasn't very good in 2018/2019, and was horrible down the stretch. He was pretty good in 2019/2020, apart from a mediocre play-in. What is reasonable to expect from him, at this age, and with this sample size? I think there's a lot unknown still.

It is fair to question, especially at his age, if what we saw January-March is a hot streak or something close to what we can expect from him next season. Given his overall play last year, I think he's probably a decent bet to move forward with this year (though I still question the wisdom of that four year contract). What he really needed though is a solid tandem goaltender in case he does regress, and Mike Smith is absolutely not that.

Koskinen may be solid. But I think it's fair to worry about what happens if he takes a step back or gets injured. There isn't much built in beyond a best-case scenario.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 13:25

Re: Goaltending

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mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 16 October 2020 00:38

Near as I can tell, Mike Smith was .911 post-December (574 shots against, 51 goals against, 523 saves). Appeared in 19 games, and produced the following results:

- 9 games .900 or below
- 1 game between .901 and .910
- 1 game between .911 and .920
- 6 games between .921 and .950
- 2 games between .951 and .999
- 0 games of 1.000

Consistency was his issue all year. He had a few games he stole, but you could count on a subpar game more often than not, even after December ended. He was better than he was the first half of the year, but really at best you could say he was average across the league even during this best stretch of hockey.

https://www.nhl.com/player/mike-smith-8469608?stats=gamelogs -r-nhl&season=20192020

For comparison, here is Koskinen for that same stretch:

In 12 game appearances, he was .929 post-December (382 shots against, 27 goals against, 355 saves) and produced the following results:

- 3 games .900 or below
- 1 game between .901 and .910
- 0 games between .911 and .920
- 3 games between .921 and .950
- 3 games between .951 or .999
- 2 games of 1.000

https://www.nhl.com/player/mikko-koskinen-8475156?stats=game logs-r-nhl&season=20192020

8 of 12 games at .920 or higher. It's baffling why Tippett decided to go with Smith over Koskinen, and I think playoff credit has to lean more towards Mikko than Mike.


The issue with Koskinen is a fairly small sample size. He wasn't very good in 2018/2019, and was horrible down the stretch. He was pretty good in 2019/2020, apart from a mediocre play-in. What is reasonable to expect from him, at this age, and with this sample size? I think there's a lot unknown still.

It is fair to question, especially at his age, if what we saw January-March is a hot streak or something close to what we can expect from him next season. Given his overall play last year, I think he's probably a decent bet to move forward with this year (though I still question the wisdom of that four year contract). What he really needed though is a solid tandem goaltender in case he does regress, and Mike Smith is absolutely not that.

Koskinen may be solid. But I think it's fair to worry about what happens if he takes a step back or gets injured. There isn't much built in beyond a best-case scenario.


I may have said this back then, but if not, I'll say it here. I don't think that single-game save percentages are very meaningful because the impact of a single goal when you face 25-35 shots a night is huge as does your team's stinginess. For example, if your team only allows 20 shots one night, then a single goal has a 5% swing, while if they allow 40 shots, that impact is cut in half.

I think the sample size is too small for game by game.

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Adam wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 15:41

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 13:25

Re: Goaltending

(Pulled from another thread)

mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 16 October 2020 00:38

Near as I can tell, Mike Smith was .911 post-December (574 shots against, 51 goals against, 523 saves). Appeared in 19 games, and produced the following results:

- 9 games .900 or below
- 1 game between .901 and .910
- 1 game between .911 and .920
- 6 games between .921 and .950
- 2 games between .951 and .999
- 0 games of 1.000

Consistency was his issue all year. He had a few games he stole, but you could count on a subpar game more often than not, even after December ended. He was better than he was the first half of the year, but really at best you could say he was average across the league even during this best stretch of hockey.

https://www.nhl.com/player/mike-smith-8469608?stats=gamelogs -r-nhl&season=20192020

For comparison, here is Koskinen for that same stretch:

In 12 game appearances, he was .929 post-December (382 shots against, 27 goals against, 355 saves) and produced the following results:

- 3 games .900 or below
- 1 game between .901 and .910
- 0 games between .911 and .920
- 3 games between .921 and .950
- 3 games between .951 or .999
- 2 games of 1.000

https://www.nhl.com/player/mikko-koskinen-8475156?stats=game logs-r-nhl&season=20192020

8 of 12 games at .920 or higher. It's baffling why Tippett decided to go with Smith over Koskinen, and I think playoff credit has to lean more towards Mikko than Mike.


The issue with Koskinen is a fairly small sample size. He wasn't very good in 2018/2019, and was horrible down the stretch. He was pretty good in 2019/2020, apart from a mediocre play-in. What is reasonable to expect from him, at this age, and with this sample size? I think there's a lot unknown still.

It is fair to question, especially at his age, if what we saw January-March is a hot streak or something close to what we can expect from him next season. Given his overall play last year, I think he's probably a decent bet to move forward with this year (though I still question the wisdom of that four year contract). What he really needed though is a solid tandem goaltender in case he does regress, and Mike Smith is absolutely not that.

Koskinen may be solid. But I think it's fair to worry about what happens if he takes a step back or gets injured. There isn't much built in beyond a best-case scenario.


I may have said this back then, but if not, I'll say it here. I don't think that single-game save percentages are very meaningful because the impact of a single goal when you face 25-35 shots a night is huge as does your team's stinginess. For example, if your team only allows 20 shots one night, then a single goal has a 5% swing, while if they allow 40 shots, that impact is cut in half.

I think the sample size is too small for game by game.


For me I think is speaks to consistency you can expect. If you have someone like Mike Smith who is lights out one night and stops 50 shots, but then throws up four games below .900, the percentages average out, even though he was only very good in one of the five games or whatever. It speaks to how often you can rely on them to be average or better on any given start.

Like with Smith, he had a .911 save percentage post-December, but almost half the games he had less than .900. Looking strictly at his save percentage you'd think he was average. Looking at how he got there shows its really feast or famine, and a lot of famine actually.

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welcometotheOC wrote on Thu, 03 December 2020 12:23


I have to disagree here. I think Koskinen has been excellent at best and mediocre at worst. I don't think he was really bad in the playin (Smith definitely was bad there!), and without SnowAngel on defense, and a healthy Klefbom (he was terrible but now we know injured) the Oilers are at least in the 2nd round of the actual playoffs.



.889 save percentage, allowing 11 goals in 3 and a half games on 99 shots against including a lot of struggles in handling long shots from the point and controlling rebounds.

19 of those shots (and 18 of his saves) came in game 1 when Smith had already lost the game for the Oilers by the time he took the net, so in the other 3 games, he allowed 10 goals on 80 shots - good for .875 save percentage and ~3.33 GAA (slightly off due to empty nets)

If you look at any NHL goalie you can say they're excellent at best - most have had some good games where they got shutouts, but it's been rare for Koskinen to hold that for any period of time. Worth noting in the article RDOF shared, he played way less games than anyone else in his comparison set.

If the thought is that Koskinen had a mediocre first campaign and a better second campaign so maybe his trajectory is up, I think it's important to remember how old he is. Guys on the wrong end of 30 rarely get better and better. Last year is probably peak performance and he wasn't good enough that the coach had confidence to use him in even half the games, or to start him as the first guy out in the playoffs - and that's despite the fact that most shooter tutors stop more than Mike Smith did last year in both regular season and playoffs.

I think you have to be concerned about netminding if you're an Oilers fan, because there's very little to suggest that this is a tandem that can get us anywhere near a championship.

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