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Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767690]	Tue, 06 October 2020 18:47

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Dylan Holloway
Center -- shoots L
Born Sep 23 2001 -- Bragg Creek, ALTA
[19 yrs. ago]
Height 6.01 -- Weight 203 [185 cm/92 kg]

2016-17 Okotoks Oilers AJHL 2 0 0 0 0 -- -- -- -- --
2017-18 Okotoks Oilers AJHL 28 11 16 27 16 6 4 0 4 4
2018-19 Okotoks Oilers AJHL 53 40 48 88 56 7 8 3 11 24
2019-20 U. of Wisconsin Big-10 35 8 9 17 49 -3

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767691 is a reply to message #767690 ]	Tue, 06 October 2020 18:49

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Prove me wrong. Underwhelmed. I think I’d rather have traded down and got Greig and a 2nd.

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767693 is a reply to message #767691 ]	Tue, 06 October 2020 18:51

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inverno76 wrote on Tue, 06 October 2020 18:49

Prove me wrong. Underwhelmed. I think I’d rather have traded down and got Greig and a 2nd.

What's the NHL equivalency of 8 goals in the NCAA?

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767694 is a reply to message #767691 ]	Tue, 06 October 2020 18:52

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inverno76 wrote on Tue, 06 October 2020 18:49

Prove me wrong. Underwhelmed. I think I’d rather have traded down and got Greig and a 2nd.

Probably could have traded down to get Holloway.

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767692 is a reply to message #767690 ]	Tue, 06 October 2020 18:51

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The player in the group I least wanted. The lack of offence is concerning to me. I don't think AJHL numbers mean a whole lot either. I hope I'm wrong but this looks to me like a future 3rd or 4th liner.

Also - how many 6'0 power forwards are there in the NHL?

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767695 is a reply to message #767692 ]	Tue, 06 October 2020 18:55

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Is there any reason for this?

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767698 is a reply to message #767695 ]	Tue, 06 October 2020 19:03

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Magnum wrote on Tue, 06 October 2020 18:55

Is there any reason for this?

According to twitter, Holland likes NCAA kids who are two-way, low risk players. Low reward with that too though...even the panel saying he's a good bet to be a solid 3rd line player.

I'd rather swing for the fences a little more here, or to trade the pick. You can get two or three third liners now for a mid-first round pick.

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767697 is a reply to message #767690 ]	Tue, 06 October 2020 19:02

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He was the 3rd line centre on a loaded Wisconsin team, and he was 17 to start the season. He's 19 now (old for a draft pick), but playing with men up to age 23.

I don't have much of an issue at this point. Big enough to get to the big team quicker, and centres are a premium position.

Also not seeing this as a reach like some others. 2 Mock drafts had the Oilers picking this guy and he's rated right close to 14.

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767716 is a reply to message #767697 ]	Tue, 06 October 2020 20:50

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NetBOG wrote on Tue, 06 October 2020 18:02

He was the 3rd line centre on a loaded Wisconsin team, and he was 17 to start the season. He's 19 now (old for a draft pick), but playing with men up to age 23.

I don't have much of an issue at this point. Big enough to get to the big team quicker, and centres are a premium position.

Also not seeing this as a reach like some others. 2 Mock drafts had the Oilers picking this guy and he's rated right close to 14.

He was the second youngest player in the NCAA last season.. Sept. birthday.. he's young in this draft class.. he's got fast WHEELS, skill, 200+ lbs.. I'm happy.

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767700 is a reply to message #767690 ]	Tue, 06 October 2020 19:15

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I wanted Jarvis so bad, more than Askarov. Right before Edmonton too.

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767706 is a reply to message #767700 ]	Tue, 06 October 2020 20:04

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WhoreableGuy wrote on Tue, 06 October 2020 19:15

I wanted Jarvis so bad, more than Askarov. Right before Edmonton too.

Wonder if the Leafs take a D with that pick if they didn't toss it to get rid of Marleau. Canes so badly need scoring up front, no surprise they snatched Jarvis out from under us.

Ah well. Hopefully this kid takes the Bo Horvat kind of path (think Horvat was a ~10-20 ranked guy that everyone made fun of the Canucks for taking #9). Bo was a strong 2 way guy, 6'0 tall, with underwhelming scoring in Jr. Holloway sounds like a hard workin strong lad that can still skate.

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767718 is a reply to message #767690 ]	Tue, 06 October 2020 20:55

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Cowtown did OK, traded down twice for 2 x 2nd rounders and still got C. Zary because there were a few off board picks.

Correction: Make that 2 x 3rd rounders.. feels better now!

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767721 is a reply to message #767690 ]	Tue, 06 October 2020 21:02

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I feel disappointed. I think you just hope for more than a third liner if you are in the top half of the draft.

Initially, I thought this was a reach, but it seems he was in the 14-22 range, so the Oilers took him on the upper edge of that. There just isn't the upside there that I wish there was.

It really is too bad Askarov and Jarvis went in the few picks before the Oilers. I'd be feeling so much better with either of them, and I imagine the Oilers would have taken both of them before Holloway.

I don't like the pick, but unfortunately, it doesn't really seem like any steal slid through to the 14 spot either.

Hopefully he surprises, but I have my doubts.

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767731 is a reply to message #767721 ]	Tue, 06 October 2020 21:21

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mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 06 October 2020 21:02

I feel disappointed. I think you just hope for more than a third liner if you are in the top half of the draft.

Initially, I thought this was a reach, but it seems he was in the 14-22 range, so the Oilers took him on the upper edge of that. There just isn't the upside there that I wish there was.

It really is too bad Askarov and Jarvis went in the few picks before the Oilers. I'd be feeling so much better with either of them, and I imagine the Oilers would have taken both of them before Holloway.

I don't like the pick, but unfortunately, it doesn't really seem like any steal slid through to the 14 spot either.

Hopefully he surprises, but I have my doubts.

Personally I’d have been happy with Guhle at 14 as well. I know he’s a left shot and his numbers don’t look high end, but watching him play the last two years, I see something else. Montreal got a player. PA Head-coach always went with 20 year olds on the PP that thrived in their Mem Cup year. This last season the PP struggled until they moved Guhle up. He scored his first 20 pts in 36 games and then got some prime PP and scored his second 20 points of the season in 26 games.

Jury is out on Holloway. He just feels like a heavier Mark Jankowski. Potential, but a lot of things need to go right. Fringe NHL’er. I would of rather had Conor Zary as well.

I dunno? I think we should’ve traded down.

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767729 is a reply to message #767690 ]	Tue, 06 October 2020 21:18

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Bob Stauffer's comparable for Dylan Holloway is Marty Reasoner (which you'd think would make me happy, but less so at #14).

Potentially less skilled though:

Quote:

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Reasoner has 1.26 pts/gm as a NCAA draft eligible, Holloway had 0.49. Bob is being very kind.

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767747 is a reply to message #767729 ]	Tue, 06 October 2020 22:52

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Wow... a Marty Reasoner comparable? Swinging for the fences with this first rounder...

No knock against Marty, however I definitely wouldn't position him for first rounder comparisons... yeesh.

From what I've seen, Holloway looks like a solid skater with pretty decent hands. I like what I've read about playing a solid all-around game as well.

Count me optimistic!

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767748 is a reply to message #767747 ]	Tue, 06 October 2020 23:16

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HamBlaster wrote on Tue, 06 October 2020 21:52

Wow... a Marty Reasoner comparable? Swinging for the fences with this first rounder...

No knock against Marty, however I definitely wouldn't position him for first rounder comparisons... yeesh.

From what I've seen, Holloway looks like a solid skater with pretty decent hands. I like what I've read about playing a solid all-around game as well.

Count me optimistic!

Remember how this board was feeling about Broberg last year.. it was pretty luke warm, a year later we feel pretty good, I think it will be the same with Holloway.
He'll likely be on TC juniors this year, you'll get to see him close up.

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767749 is a reply to message #767748 ]	Tue, 06 October 2020 23:22

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 06 October 2020 23:16

Remember how this board was feeling about Broberg last year.. it was pretty luke warm, a year later we feel pretty good, I think it will be the same with Holloway.
He'll likely be on TC juniors this year, you'll get to see him close up.

Well, he'll be one home ice, but only a select few will get to see him "up close".

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767751 is a reply to message #767729 ]	Tue, 06 October 2020 23:55

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mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 06 October 2020 20:18

Bob Stauffer's comparable for Dylan Holloway is Marty Reasoner (which you'd think would make me happy, but less so at #14).

Potentially less skilled though:

Quote:

RT @Woodguy55

Replying to
@AdamsOnHockey
Reasoner has 1.26 pts/gm as a NCAA draft eligible, Holloway had 0.49. Bob is being very kind.

No offense Mighty R. but I think this guy will be a much different player than Marty, bigger, meaner, more skill, maybe even faster (hard to compare)

A good indication is the World Juniors this year when all the best U-20's should be playing.

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767754 is a reply to message #767751 ]	Wed, 07 October 2020 00:40

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 06 October 2020 23:55

mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 06 October 2020 20:18

Bob Stauffer's comparable for Dylan Holloway is Marty Reasoner (which you'd think would make me happy, but less so at #14).

Potentially less skilled though:

Quote:

RT @Woodguy55

Replying to
@AdamsOnHockey
Reasoner has 1.26 pts/gm as a NCAA draft eligible, Holloway had 0.49. Bob is being very kind.

No offense Mighty R. but I think this guy will be a much different player than Marty, bigger, meaner, more skill, maybe even faster (hard to compare)

A good indication is the World Juniors this year when all the best U-20's should be playing.

No offense taken. The comparison is Bob Stauffer's not my own.

One thing to remember though - Reasoner was selected with the expectation of being a Top-6 center. And the more you compare them, there is a case to make:

- Reasoner was playing in the U-20 World Juniors in his draft eligible year, Holloway was not.
- Reasoner put up better PPG in the NCAA in his draft eligible year than Holloway.
- Both Reasoner and Holloway were the #14 picks.
- Scouting report on Reasoner: "“He is a very good player. His talent is undisputable.”
- Both Reasoner and Holloway are listed at 6'1"
- Reasoner was listed as 205 lbs vs. 203 for Holloway.
- Reasoner had fewer PIMS (31) than Holloway (49) in his draft eligible year, but had 56 PIMS the following year.

All this to say, Reasoner was drafted with the intention of being a Top-6 forward; it didn't work out that way, but he had a very solid career of 798 games, and was an effective bottom-six forward who could win face-offs and kill penalties. Holloway was drafted with the expectation of being a middle-six forward. The comparison may not be as inaccurate as we wish. But you never know how things will play out fully until they actually do.

If Holloway has the career of Reasoner, that's a good career. It's just less than you hope for at the #14 spot. I wish the Oilers aimed higher because that player isn't necessarily an uncommon player.

With all that said, I'm not sure who would be the alternative. Guhle? Zary?

Other comparables I've seen: Riley Nash (another Bob Stauffer comparison) and Dylan Larkin (Sportsnet).

[Updated on: Wed, 07 October 2020 00:57]

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767768 is a reply to message #767754 ]	Wed, 07 October 2020 08:31

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 07 October 2020 00:40

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 06 October 2020 23:55

mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 06 October 2020 20:18

Bob Stauffer's comparable for Dylan Holloway is Marty Reasoner (which you'd think would make me happy, but less so at #14).

Potentially less skilled though:

Quote:

RT @Woodguy55

Replying to
@AdamsOnHockey
Reasoner has 1.26 pts/gm as a NCAA draft eligible, Holloway had 0.49. Bob is being very kind.

No offense Mighty R. but I think this guy will be a much different player than Marty, bigger, meaner, more skill, maybe even faster (hard to compare)

A good indication is the World Juniors this year when all the best U-20's should be playing.

No offense taken. The comparison is Bob Stauffer's not my own.

One thing to remember though - Reasoner was selected with the expectation of being a Top-6 center. And the more you compare them, there is a case to make:

- Reasoner was playing in the U-20 World Juniors in his draft eligible year, Holloway was not.
- Reasoner put up better PPG in the NCAA in his draft eligible year than Holloway.
- Both Reasoner and Holloway were the #14 picks.
- Scouting report on Reasoner: "“He is a very good player. His talent is undisputable.”
- Both Reasoner and Holloway are listed at 6'1"
- Reasoner was listed as 205 lbs vs. 203 for Holloway.
- Reasoner had fewer PIMS (31) than Holloway (49) in his draft eligible year, but had 56 PIMS the following year.

All this to say, Reasoner was drafted with the intention of being a Top-6 forward; it didn't work out that way, but he had a very solid career of 798 games, and was an effective bottom-six forward who could win face-offs and kill penalties. Holloway was drafted with the expectation of being a middle-six forward. The comparison may not be as inaccurate as we wish. But you never know how things will play out fully until they actually do.

If Holloway has the career of Reasoner, that's a good career. It's just less than you hope for at the #14 spot. I wish the Oilers aimed higher because that player isn't necessarily an uncommon player.

With all that said, I'm not sure who would be the alternative. Guhle? Zary?

Other comparables I've seen: Riley Nash (another Bob Stauffer comparison) and Dylan Larkin (Sportsnet).

Gotta think Holland is thinking Larkin a bit here. Kind of similar situations in their draft years. Larkin wasn't really able to get good ice time in his draft year because he's stuck behind a stacked Eichel line on the national team. He finally gets away from that in his next season. Holloway is behind Turcotte and Caufield in his draft year, and playing in a tougher league. Obviously next season will be the big tell on where this kid goes. Larkin had a great 1st season in college in his draft+1 year.

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767789 is a reply to message #767768 ]	Wed, 07 October 2020 10:16

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 07 October 2020 08:31

Gotta think Holland is thinking Larkin a bit here. Kind of similar situations in their draft years. Larkin wasn't really able to get good ice time in his draft year because he's stuck behind a stacked Eichel line on the national team. He finally gets away from that in his next season. Holloway is behind Turcotte and Caufield in his draft year, and playing in a tougher league. Obviously next season will be the big tell on where this kid goes. Larkin had a great 1st season in college in his draft+1 year.

I hope that happens. Otherwise, Tyler Wright may have just drafted us the next Tyler Wright..."I dunno, Ken, I just see something of myself in this kid!"

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767791 is a reply to message #767789 ]	Wed, 07 October 2020 10:22

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Adam wrote on Wed, 07 October 2020 10:16

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 07 October 2020 08:31

Gotta think Holland is thinking Larkin a bit here. Kind of similar situations in their draft years. Larkin wasn't really able to get good ice time in his draft year because he's stuck behind a stacked Eichel line on the national team. He finally gets away from that in his next season. Holloway is behind Turcotte and Caufield in his draft year, and playing in a tougher league. Obviously next season will be the big tell on where this kid goes. Larkin had a great 1st season in college in his draft+1 year.

I hope that happens. Otherwise, Tyler Wright may have just drafted us the next Tyler Wright..."I dunno, Ken, I just see something of myself in this kid!"

I think we all hope it happens.

Just trying to keep hope alive!

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767882 is a reply to message #767754 ]	Wed, 07 October 2020 17:19

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mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 06 October 2020 23:40

No offense taken. The comparison is Bob Stauffer's not my own.

One thing to remember though - Reasoner was selected with the expectation of being a Top-6 center. And the more you compare them, there is a case to make:

- Reasoner was playing in the U-20 World Juniors in his draft eligible year, Holloway was not.
- Reasoner put up better PPG in the NCAA in his draft eligible year than Holloway.
- Both Reasoner and Holloway were the #14 picks.
- Scouting report on Reasoner: "“He is a very good player. His talent is undisputable.”
- Both Reasoner and Holloway are listed at 6'1"
- Reasoner was listed as 205 lbs vs. 203 for Holloway.
- Reasoner had fewer PIMS (31) than Holloway (49) in his draft eligible year, but had 56 PIMS the following year.

All this to say, Reasoner was drafted with the intention of being a Top-6 forward; it didn't work out that way, but he had a very solid career of 798 games, and was an effective bottom-six forward who could win face-offs and kill penalties. Holloway was drafted with the expectation of being a middle-six forward. The comparison may not be as inaccurate as we wish. But you never know how things will play out fully until they actually do.

If Holloway has the career of Reasoner, that's a good career. It's just less than you hope for at the #14 spot. I wish the Oilers aimed higher because that player isn't necessarily an uncommon player.

With all that said, I'm not sure who would be the alternative. Guhle? Zary?

Other comparables I've seen: Riley Nash (another Bob Stauffer comparison) and Dylan Larkin (Sportsnet).

I meant no offense to your handle. icon_biggrin

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You're right, better alternatives to Holloway at #14 don't exactly jump out

Guhle would have been another D (left at that), and I'd rank Holloway higher than Zary.. based on skating alone.

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767743 is a reply to message #767690 ]	Tue, 06 October 2020 22:28

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Geez, this guy put a lot of time into these scouting reports

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767775 is a reply to message #767743 ]	Wed, 07 October 2020 08:51

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 06 October 2020 22:28

Geez, this guy put a lot of time into these scouting reports

At first I thought he was wearing a Karate Gi. Very in depth. Sounds like he is as projected. My one bad takeaway from the video was his lack of offence. According to the scout he often goes to the same area of the ice on almost all of his entries. Hopefully this is just a coaching thing and the player has a more diverse offensive skillset.

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767752 is a reply to message #767690 ]	Wed, 07 October 2020 00:03

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Some analysis prior to the draft.. hey man don't worry .. be happy! icon_biggrin

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You're drafting for what he'll be in 2+ years, not what he was yesterday!

EliteProspects 2020 NHL Draft Guide:

“Holloway consistently applies pressure on the backcheck, pickpockets puck-carriers, makes timely hits, wields a disruptive stick — you name it. He never flees the zone early and is a capable east-west attacker who shields the puck from opposing defenders really well.”

Scott Wheeler, The Athletic:

“After winning the AJHL’s most valuable player award a full year before his NHL draft year, Holloway was allowed to play college hockey as an 18-year-old. In fact, he was one of just two first-year draft eligibles to play Division I NCAA hockey in 2019-20.

Holloway said the decision to leave junior a year earlier was made on the basis of his physical maturity.

‘Playing at a higher level gets you better as a player. I was ready to make the jump and I’m happy that I did because this year has taught me a lot and I feel like I’m better off for it,’ Holloway said. ‘Coming from the AJHL to here, making decisions at a quicker pace is a lot different. I like to think of myself as a fast player but there’s a lot of them in this league.’”

Dobber Prospects:

“The top NCAA draft-eligible is a complete forward with excellent hands, vision, and effective skating abilities. From his powerful stride and edgework and agility, once he has the puck on his stick, he has the ability to make flashy plays offensively.”

Mike G. Morreale, NHL.com:

“The left-shot forward has good hands, high compete and a drive to create offence. He should be the first college player selected after he had 17 points (eight goals, nine assists) in 35 games as a college freshman.”

WHERE HE WAS RANKED
Ranked #18 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #15 by FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS
Ranked #20 by ISS HOCKEY
Ranked #14 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTON
Ranked #26 by MCKEEN’S HOCKEY
Ranked #12 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters)
Ranked #17 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING
Ranked #16 by TSN/McKenzie

HOLLOWAY’S COLLEGE CAREER SO FAR
SEASON TEAM LEAGUE GP G A PTS PIM +/- PGP G A PTS PIM
2016-17 OKOTOKS OILERS AJHL 2 — — — — —
2017-18 OKOTOKS OILERS AJHL 28 11 16 27 16 6 4 4 4
2018-19 OKOTOKS OILERS AJHL 53 40 48 88 56 7 8 3 11 24
2019-20 U. OF WISCONSIN BIG-10 35 8 9 17 49 -3

[Updated on: Wed, 07 October 2020 00:10]

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767753 is a reply to message #767752 ]	Wed, 07 October 2020 00:25

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The fact he jumped to a higher level early gives me some hope. Bottom of the totem pole at that level, and still puts up 17 points in 35 games.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767758 is a reply to message #767752 ]	Wed, 07 October 2020 07:13

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 07 October 2020 00:03

Some analysis prior to the draft.. hey man don't worry .. be happy! icon_biggrin

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You're drafting for what he'll be in 2+ years, not what he was yesterday!

EliteProspects 2020 NHL Draft Guide:

“Holloway consistently applies pressure on the backcheck, pickpockets puck-carriers, makes timely hits, wields a disruptive stick — you name it. He never flees the zone early and is a capable east-west attacker who shields the puck from opposing defenders really well.”

Scott Wheeler, The Athletic:

“After winning the AJHL’s most valuable player award a full year before his NHL draft year, Holloway was allowed to play college hockey as an 18-year-old. In fact, he was one of just two first-year draft eligibles to play Division I NCAA hockey in 2019-20.

Holloway said the decision to leave junior a year earlier was made on the basis of his physical maturity.

‘Playing at a higher level gets you better as a player. I was ready to make the jump and I’m happy that I did because this year has taught me a lot and I feel like I’m better off for it,’ Holloway said. ‘Coming from the AJHL to here, making decisions at a quicker pace is a lot different. I like to think of myself as a fast player but there’s a lot of them in this league.’”

Dobber Prospects:

“The top NCAA draft-eligible is a complete forward with excellent hands, vision, and effective skating abilities. From his powerful stride and edgework and agility, once he has the puck on his stick, he has the ability to make flashy plays offensively.”

Mike G. Morreale, NHL.com:

“The left-shot forward has good hands, high compete and a drive to create offence. He should be the first college player selected after he had 17 points (eight goals, nine assists) in 35 games as a college freshman.”

WHERE HE WAS RANKED
Ranked #18 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #15 by FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS
Ranked #20 by ISS HOCKEY
Ranked #14 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTON
Ranked #26 by MCKEEN’S HOCKEY
Ranked #12 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters)
Ranked #17 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING
Ranked #16 by TSN/McKenzie

HOLLOWAY’S COLLEGE CAREER SO FAR
SEASON TEAM LEAGUE GP G A PTS PIM +/- PGP G A PTS PIM
2016-17 OKOTOKS OILERS AJHL 2 — — — — —
2017-18 OKOTOKS OILERS AJHL 28 11 16 27 16 6 4 4 4
2018-19 OKOTOKS OILERS AJHL 53 40 48 88 56 7 8 3 11 24
2019-20 U. OF WISCONSIN BIG-10 35 8 9 17 49 -3

I was going to post the same information. I was hoping for Jarvis who went 1 pick earlier. I like the fact he can play center or wing. He's a big body that skates really well. He's got skill snd good hands and the fact he got some special exemption to play in the NCAA is encouraging to me. Big thing is the guy competes, goes hard to the net and I read on twitter he's a hard guy to play against. All things the Oilers need. I saw on the coverage his comparable is Tkachuk. If that is the case, I would take that all day long.

I seem to remember people grumbling about the Broberg pick and now people are saying he's going to be a stud. Fingers crossed.

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767766 is a reply to message #767758 ]	Wed, 07 October 2020 08:23

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 07 October 2020 10:13

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 07 October 2020 00:03

Some analysis prior to the draft.. hey man don't worry .. be happy! icon_biggrin

icon_biggrin

You're drafting for what he'll be in 2+ years, not what he was yesterday!

EliteProspects 2020 NHL Draft Guide:

“Holloway consistently applies pressure on the backcheck, pickpockets puck-carriers, makes timely hits, wields a disruptive stick — you name it. He never flees the zone early and is a capable east-west attacker who shields the puck from opposing defenders really well.”

Scott Wheeler, The Athletic:

“After winning the AJHL’s most valuable player award a full year before his NHL draft year, Holloway was allowed to play college hockey as an 18-year-old. In fact, he was one of just two first-year draft eligibles to play Division I NCAA hockey in 2019-20.

Holloway said the decision to leave junior a year earlier was made on the basis of his physical maturity.

‘Playing at a higher level gets you better as a player. I was ready to make the jump and I’m happy that I did because this year has taught me a lot and I feel like I’m better off for it,’ Holloway said. ‘Coming from the AJHL to here, making decisions at a quicker pace is a lot different. I like to think of myself as a fast player but there’s a lot of them in this league.’”

Dobber Prospects:

“The top NCAA draft-eligible is a complete forward with excellent hands, vision, and effective skating abilities. From his powerful stride and edgework and agility, once he has the puck on his stick, he has the ability to make flashy plays offensively.”

Mike G. Morreale, NHL.com:

“The left-shot forward has good hands, high compete and a drive to create offence. He should be the first college player selected after he had 17 points (eight goals, nine assists) in 35 games as a college freshman.”

WHERE HE WAS RANKED
Ranked #18 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #15 by FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS
Ranked #20 by ISS HOCKEY
Ranked #14 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTON
Ranked #26 by MCKEEN’S HOCKEY
Ranked #12 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters)
Ranked #17 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING
Ranked #16 by TSN/McKenzie

HOLLOWAY’S COLLEGE CAREER SO FAR
SEASON TEAM LEAGUE GP G A PTS PIM +/- PGP G A PTS PIM
2016-17 OKOTOKS OILERS AJHL 2 — — — — —
2017-18 OKOTOKS OILERS AJHL 28 11 16 27 16 6 4 4 4
2018-19 OKOTOKS OILERS AJHL 53 40 48 88 56 7 8 3 11 24
2019-20 U. OF WISCONSIN BIG-10 35 8 9 17 49 -3

I was going to post the same information. I was hoping for Jarvis who went 1 pick earlier. I like the fact he can play center or wing. He's a big body that skates really well. He's got skill snd good hands and the fact he got some special exemption to play in the NCAA is encouraging to me. Big thing is the guy competes, goes hard to the net and I read on twitter he's a hard guy to play against. All things the Oilers need. I saw on the coverage his comparable is Tkachuk. If that is the case, I would take that all day long.

I seem to remember people grumbling about the Broberg pick and now people are saying he's going to be a stud. Fingers crossed.

Article on ON mentions that he was a ppg player in the latter part of the season and that Granato figures he will challenge Caulfield for leading scorer for them this season.

Cautiously optimistic.

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767805 is a reply to message #767690 ]	Wed, 07 October 2020 11:13

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I am not very happy that in every McDavid season the Oilers have kept their pick.

Clean house or bust

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Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#14) - Dylan Holloway [message #767807 is a reply to message #767805 ]	Wed, 07 October 2020 11:17

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 07 October 2020 11:13

I am not very happy that in every McDavid season the Oilers have kept their pick.

Hey - Chia traded the first post-McDavid selection we had...

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