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I bet McDavid is wishing he would have signed a 5yr deal. What the hell is wrong with this organization!


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It's the swarm without the swarm. Just doing...nothing instead.


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What's the guy in front of the goalie even doing? His stick is not even in a place the puck could go. Basically just pretending to be a table hockey player that no one is controlling.

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So who was most at fault here? I’m thinking Lucic


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It wasn't as much of a Talbot melt down as a team melt down. Hard to blame him after all the big saves he made earlier in the game, just too many players not giving as much as they should in the defensive zone. Saw Craig Button on TSN and he was almost gleeful about how bad the Oilers are. Hard to argue though. He said it's another major rebuild to fix things and I tend to agree. He was also joking about showcasing Talbot in the game and said he's doubtful any team would take a chance on a reclamation project goalie at this time of year.


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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2019 22:36

It's the swarm without the swarm. Just doing...nothing instead.




I'll give Russell a pass. He had just finished making a great play to deny Kane and he's at least trying to intercept the pass.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2019 23:36

It's the swarm without the swarm. Just doing...nothing instead.


Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Puck watching at its absolute finest. Caggiula wide open.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DysfKSdU0AEICqK.jpg

What's the guy in front of the goalie even doing? His stick is not even in a place the puck could go. Basically just pretending to be a table hockey player that no one is controlling.


Simply. Stunning.

Trying to figure out who’s standing next to Nurse and can’t confidently figure it out. Is it Rattie? Russel is coming out the of the corner, where he made a play on 88, Lucic on the other side... Loo could have easily covered the Drake there but who’s the plug next to Nurse??



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2019 22:36

It's the swarm without the swarm. Just doing...nothing instead.


Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Puck watching at its absolute finest. Caggiula wide open.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DysfKSdU0AEICqK.jpg

What's the guy in front of the goalie even doing? His stick is not even in a place the puck could go. Basically just pretending to be a table hockey player that no one is controlling.


This is a prime example of what is wrong with the Oilers. What are they doing?????

There is a guy behind the net so is stands to reason that someone would be in chase mode. So that is Russell. But what the hell is Rattie and Nurse doing? Rattie is just standing there watching the guy. WHY?? What are you accomplishing by freaking STANDING their watching. My oldest son is in novice hockey and that's what they do half the time is and and watch the puck carrier. They are 8, they are just learning the game. Rattie is 26. He's probably been playing hockey for over 20 years. What coach, or system or even common sense would tell you that it's a good idea to just STAND there and watch the guy. At least if he was lunging at him, it may not be the right play but he's not just standing there doing nothing.

Nurse is actually in the blue paint. WHY?? What defensive coverage says stand a foot from your goal line? The definition of a defenseman is to DEFEND the net. So shouldn't he be out DEFENDING??? If he is doing is job and DEFENDING the net, he'd be in front ready to tie up Caggulia and the play is dead. What is he doing???


I do not understand this team. They don't have enough talent to compete with the big boys, I know that but how are these supposed "pros" not able to play basics? How can these guys play good, defensive hockey for 2 periods then just STOP? It's like they turn their brain off and stop playing. Whatever they were doing for 2 periods was working, they go into the dressing room come out and just stop doing it. It's not even bad breaks or bounces or guys trying to hard, its flat out stupidity. Like not even doing fundamentals like tying up a guys stick, covering the guy in front of your net.

[Updated on: Wed, 06 February 2019 08:36]


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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 February 2019 08:33

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2019 22:36

It's the swarm without the swarm. Just doing...nothing instead.


Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Puck watching at its absolute finest. Caggiula wide open.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DysfKSdU0AEICqK.jpg

What's the guy in front of the goalie even doing? His stick is not even in a place the puck could go. Basically just pretending to be a table hockey player that no one is controlling.


This is a prime example of what is wrong with the Oilers. What are they doing?????

There is a guy behind the net so is stands to reason that someone would be in chase mode. So that is Russell. But what the hell is Rattie and Nurse doing? Rattie is just standing there watching the guy. WHY?? What are you accomplishing by freaking STANDING their watching. My oldest son is in novice hockey and that's what they do half the time is and and watch the puck carrier. They are 8, they are just learning the game. Rattie is 26. He's probably been playing hockey for over 20 years. What coach, or system or even common sense would tell you that it's a good idea to just STAND there and watch the guy. At least if he was lunging at him, it may not be the right play but he's not just standing there doing nothing.

Nurse is actually in the blue paint. WHY?? What defensive coverage says stand a foot from your goal line? The definition of a defenseman is to DEFEND the net. So shouldn't he be out DEFENDING??? If he is doing is job and DEFENDING the net, he'd be in front ready to tie up Caggulia and the play is dead. What is he doing???


I do not understand this team. They don't have enough talent to compete with the big boys, I know that but how are these supposed "pros" not able to play basics? How can these guys play good, defensive hockey for 2 periods then just STOP? It's like they turn their brain off and stop playing. Whatever they were doing for 2 periods was working, they go into the dressing room come out and just stop doing it. It's not even bad breaks or bounces or guys trying to hard, its flat out stupidity. Like not even doing fundamentals like tying up a guys stick, covering the guy in front of your net.


Also, where is the center in this frame? Would that be McDavid? Did he go for a change? Did he get beat in the corner?

Rattie is probably where Nurse should be, McDavid should be on the puck carrier, and Rattie should be on his wing. Might be a case where everyone is out of position so no one really knows what they are doing and they are covering the empty spot.



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 Re: Review: Chicago @ Edmonton (Game #53) [message #729815 is a reply to message #729813 ]
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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 06 February 2019 08:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 February 2019 08:33

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2019 22:36

It's the swarm without the swarm. Just doing...nothing instead.


Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Puck watching at its absolute finest. Caggiula wide open.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DysfKSdU0AEICqK.jpg

What's the guy in front of the goalie even doing? His stick is not even in a place the puck could go. Basically just pretending to be a table hockey player that no one is controlling.


This is a prime example of what is wrong with the Oilers. What are they doing?????

There is a guy behind the net so is stands to reason that someone would be in chase mode. So that is Russell. But what the hell is Rattie and Nurse doing? Rattie is just standing there watching the guy. WHY?? What are you accomplishing by freaking STANDING their watching. My oldest son is in novice hockey and that's what they do half the time is and and watch the puck carrier. They are 8, they are just learning the game. Rattie is 26. He's probably been playing hockey for over 20 years. What coach, or system or even common sense would tell you that it's a good idea to just STAND there and watch the guy. At least if he was lunging at him, it may not be the right play but he's not just standing there doing nothing.

Nurse is actually in the blue paint. WHY?? What defensive coverage says stand a foot from your goal line? The definition of a defenseman is to DEFEND the net. So shouldn't he be out DEFENDING??? If he is doing is job and DEFENDING the net, he'd be in front ready to tie up Caggulia and the play is dead. What is he doing???


I do not understand this team. They don't have enough talent to compete with the big boys, I know that but how are these supposed "pros" not able to play basics? How can these guys play good, defensive hockey for 2 periods then just STOP? It's like they turn their brain off and stop playing. Whatever they were doing for 2 periods was working, they go into the dressing room come out and just stop doing it. It's not even bad breaks or bounces or guys trying to hard, its flat out stupidity. Like not even doing fundamentals like tying up a guys stick, covering the guy in front of your net.


Also, where is the center in this frame? Would that be McDavid? Did he go for a change? Did he get beat in the corner?

Rattie is probably where Nurse should be, McDavid should be on the puck carrier, and Rattie should be on his wing. Might be a case where everyone is out of position so no one really knows what they are doing and they are covering the empty spot.


Good points. The center usually has WAY more defensive responsibilities than wingers. The center should be in the middle. WHERE is the CENTER?

Like I said, too compete with the big boys in the league, the Oilers don't have enough talent to play with them, they just don't. We have all seen some crappy Arizona teams with even less talent than the Oilers go out and beat good teams by playing sound, boring, defensive hockey. They play their position, keep it simple, do the basics. It may not be fun to watch but it works. But for the Oilers, basic fundamentals seems like an impossibility? Are some of these guys just flat out stupid? Like Nurse. I like Nurse a lot. He has 250 NHL games, been playing hockey probably since he was 5. Let's say he was confused with the defensive system and not sure of his position. So if that is the case, if you are unsure, wouldn't a normal person fall back to the basic default position that you have probably done since your were 5? Like go to the front of the net and tie someone up? I am not a pro hockey player or coach. I played when I was younger but not at a high level. I watch a TON of hockey. I have NEVER seen it where any team at any level just lets a guy stand in front of the goal all by himself while the dman just does nothing. At the very least, if all else fails, the dman tries to keep the front clear. Not for the Oilers.

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The Cagulla goal was hard to take because it was Cagulla and because it was such a blatant defensive melt down. More salt on the wound. That type of play where the shooter is left wide open has happened on many goals against this season. Looked to me like Lucic being Lucic was too slow to get to Cagulla and Nurse was anticipating Taves coming around the back of the net with the puck.( he guessed wrong ) What Rattie was doing, flat footed in front of the net with his back to the shooter. at the same time interfering with the goalie, was a total brain cramp on his part. It's just more of the same. They fall apart under pressure in their own zone and forget to look for the open man coming in behind the play, hypnotized by the puck carrier.

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I just saw Hitch’s post game and didn’t like one thing he said. He said that he pulled Cam just to ‘get a timeout without a timeout’. To me this is either a dumb move because it’s not worth demoralizing a goaltender to get a timeout, or it’s disingenuous because that’s not really why he did it. Either way I think he made a mistake here.


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Honestly, the Nurse Russell pairing is having a difficult time. Nurse had an awful third period in particular. The 2-2 goal, he can clearly see that there's back pressure on the puck carrier with a pretty bad angle to the net, and yet he draws towards him rather than taking the only threat to score, being the man cross crease. This is simple simple hockey, stuff I teach my Minor Bantam's. If the puck carrier is going to drive the net, or shoot it, and he somehow scores, then that's on the goaltender. But this was flat out telegraphing the play to the puck carrier of what to do.

The Strome goal, my god, close the gap man. If Nurse steps up instead of back tracking, that puck is deflected or dumped into the corner and the transition from defence to offence is initiated. But no, he literally gets caught flat footed, screens the goaltender and knows there is only one place where the puck is going and that's to the house.

The goaltender interference play is a toss up. I see that the contact is initiated outside of the blue paint, but once the player comes into the crease with the goaltender, is that not when the goaltender interference begins to impede the goalie from getting across to try and make the save? The argument could be made there is no way in hell Talbot can shuffle from one side to the other in time. However, I counter that with the argument that could he have done the back roll in desperation to try and make the save or even tried to lunge? Bottom line, the goaltender was not allowed to attempt to make the save because a player was in the crease with a skate between his pad and his leg, decision done.

The Caggiula goal I had already gone to bed because I live in Toronto and it was about 11pm and I was hating myself for staying up. Until this D core including the down low forward (which usually is a C) can identify where the scoring areas are, and that plays starting from down low don't go any lower, but rather only come higher (points, slot, half wall), then there's no point in breaking down the play.

Rant over, the hockey IQ is a real issue and likely due to an overwhelming amount of minutes being fed to Russell and Nurse.



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mazankowski wrote on Wed, 06 February 2019 09:36

Honestly, the Nurse Russell pairing is having a difficult time. Nurse had an awful third period in particular. The 2-2 goal, he can clearly see that there's back pressure on the puck carrier with a pretty bad angle to the net, and yet he draws towards him rather than taking the only threat to score, being the man cross crease. This is simple simple hockey, stuff I teach my Minor Bantam's. If the puck carrier is going to drive the net, or shoot it, and he somehow scores, then that's on the goaltender. But this was flat out telegraphing the play to the puck carrier of what to do.

The Strome goal, my god, close the gap man. If Nurse steps up instead of back tracking, that puck is deflected or dumped into the corner and the transition from defence to offence is initiated. But no, he literally gets caught flat footed, screens the goaltender and knows there is only one place where the puck is going and that's to the house.

The goaltender interference play is a toss up. I see that the contact is initiated outside of the blue paint, but once the player comes into the crease with the goaltender, is that not when the goaltender interference begins to impede the goalie from getting across to try and make the save? The argument could be made there is no way in hell Talbot can shuffle from one side to the other in time. However, I counter that with the argument that could he have done the back roll in desperation to try and make the save or even tried to lunge? Bottom line, the goaltender was not allowed to attempt to make the save because a player was in the crease with a skate between his pad and his leg, decision done.

The Caggiula goal I had already gone to bed because I live in Toronto and it was about 11pm and I was hating myself for staying up. Until this D core including the down low forward (which usually is a C) can identify where the scoring areas are, and that plays starting from down low don't go any lower, but rather only come higher (points, slot, half wall), then there's no point in breaking down the play.

Rant over, the hockey IQ is a real issue and likely due to an overwhelming amount of minutes being fed to Russell and Nurse.


I ranted and raved at the start of the season and through in to the start of the Hitchcock era about overplaying a group of 7 or 8 guys. The Oilers have persisted in doing it, maybe because they have AHL-quality players in so much of the rest of the lineup, and it's caught up to them. I'd guess there's a fair amount of fatigue for all the top guys - and I think that's why we've seen even McDavid's numbers drop off a little bit.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 06 February 2019 09:59

mazankowski wrote on Wed, 06 February 2019 09:36

Honestly, the Nurse Russell pairing is having a difficult time. Nurse had an awful third period in particular. The 2-2 goal, he can clearly see that there's back pressure on the puck carrier with a pretty bad angle to the net, and yet he draws towards him rather than taking the only threat to score, being the man cross crease. This is simple simple hockey, stuff I teach my Minor Bantam's. If the puck carrier is going to drive the net, or shoot it, and he somehow scores, then that's on the goaltender. But this was flat out telegraphing the play to the puck carrier of what to do.

The Strome goal, my god, close the gap man. If Nurse steps up instead of back tracking, that puck is deflected or dumped into the corner and the transition from defence to offence is initiated. But no, he literally gets caught flat footed, screens the goaltender and knows there is only one place where the puck is going and that's to the house.

The goaltender interference play is a toss up. I see that the contact is initiated outside of the blue paint, but once the player comes into the crease with the goaltender, is that not when the goaltender interference begins to impede the goalie from getting across to try and make the save? The argument could be made there is no way in hell Talbot can shuffle from one side to the other in time. However, I counter that with the argument that could he have done the back roll in desperation to try and make the save or even tried to lunge? Bottom line, the goaltender was not allowed to attempt to make the save because a player was in the crease with a skate between his pad and his leg, decision done.

The Caggiula goal I had already gone to bed because I live in Toronto and it was about 11pm and I was hating myself for staying up. Until this D core including the down low forward (which usually is a C) can identify where the scoring areas are, and that plays starting from down low don't go any lower, but rather only come higher (points, slot, half wall), then there's no point in breaking down the play.

Rant over, the hockey IQ is a real issue and likely due to an overwhelming amount of minutes being fed to Russell and Nurse.


I ranted and raved at the start of the season and through in to the start of the Hitchcock era about overplaying a group of 7 or 8 guys. The Oilers have persisted in doing it, maybe because they have AHL-quality players in so much of the rest of the lineup, and it's caught up to them. I'd guess there's a fair amount of fatigue for all the top guys - and I think that's why we've seen even McDavid's numbers drop off a little bit.


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mazankowski wrote on Wed, 06 February 2019 09:36

Honestly, the Nurse Russell pairing is having a difficult time. Nurse had an awful third period in particular. The 2-2 goal, he can clearly see that there's back pressure on the puck carrier with a pretty bad angle to the net, and yet he draws towards him rather than taking the only threat to score, being the man cross crease. This is simple simple hockey, stuff I teach my Minor Bantam's. If the puck carrier is going to drive the net, or shoot it, and he somehow scores, then that's on the goaltender. But this was flat out telegraphing the play to the puck carrier of what to do.

The Strome goal, my god, close the gap man. If Nurse steps up instead of back tracking, that puck is deflected or dumped into the corner and the transition from defence to offence is initiated. But no, he literally gets caught flat footed, screens the goaltender and knows there is only one place where the puck is going and that's to the house.

The goaltender interference play is a toss up. I see that the contact is initiated outside of the blue paint, but once the player comes into the crease with the goaltender, is that not when the goaltender interference begins to impede the goalie from getting across to try and make the save? The argument could be made there is no way in hell Talbot can shuffle from one side to the other in time. However, I counter that with the argument that could he have done the back roll in desperation to try and make the save or even tried to lunge? Bottom line, the goaltender was not allowed to attempt to make the save because a player was in the crease with a skate between his pad and his leg, decision done.

The Caggiula goal I had already gone to bed because I live in Toronto and it was about 11pm and I was hating myself for staying up. Until this D core including the down low forward (which usually is a C) can identify where the scoring areas are, and that plays starting from down low don't go any lower, but rather only come higher (points, slot, half wall), then there's no point in breaking down the play.

Rant over, the hockey IQ is a real issue and likely due to an overwhelming amount of minutes being fed to Russell and Nurse.

I agree with you. The hockey IQ seems to be lacking. The mistakes they are making just seem like stuff you do when you are a kid. Sometimes guys make mistakes because they are trying too hard and are doing too much and they get out of position. I don't see that. The picture of the Caggulia goal. Everyone is just standing there doing nothing. No one is taking the man in front. Just a bunch of guys puck watching.

You described the Strome goal. What coach is EVER going to tell a defender. Give up the line, back way, way, way in and give hi all the time in the world to shoot.

I listen to Lowtide talk about the game. He says as always. "They don't have the horses". He's right. They don't have the horses to compete for a cup. BUT that is an excuse. They have the horses to be better than they were last night. Guys aren't doing their job. You don't need to be a norris trophy dman to go pick up a wide open man 10 ft from your goal. You don't need to be a norris trophy dman to not allow a forward to walk in unpressured and get a wide open shot. That crap is hockey basics.



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