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https://www.tsn.ca/oilers-sign-koskinen-to-three-year-extens ion-1.1245170

Does anyone else think this is really stupid? The guy went on one hot streak and is worth $4.5 million for 3 years? Ugh.

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It's a gamble for sure, but as much as the team has been off the rails and made some bad decisions lately I actually don't hate this one. It's a touch high, but basically the same money Talbot was making.

Talbot wasn't coming back next year. His play over the last two years has been flat out bad. The team most likely didn't want to extend him, and based on how he's lost the starters job maybe he wouldn't even entertain the idea. I think they would have already have tried to move him before announcing the Koskinen deal. With this announcement you might have dropped Talbot's value a bit, but there's nothing there anyways. Some team will pick him up as a UFA and give him a short term prove it deal. If they are able to move him for anything at all it's a win.

Who's coming up in free agency, that's as cheap as Koskinens deal and would be interested in playing for the Oilers? Adam had a great post about there being most likely about 7 teams looking for a new starter. Knock off 2 for Bob and Varlamov going to them, but you could potentially have 5 others interested in Koskinen.

If the alternative was we went into summer with zero goalies for next season, and Koskinen signed elsewhere to avoid the tire fire, would anyone be happy then? Personally I think that would be even scarier.



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Mikko Koskinen's #oilers extension includes a limited no-trade clause.


There ya have it.



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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 08:42

Chris Johnston @reporterchris
Mikko Koskinen's #oilers extension includes a limited no-trade clause.


There ya have it.


Had to know that was coming at some point. Sigh.



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Goose wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 10:45

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 08:42

Chris Johnston @reporterchris
Mikko Koskinen's #oilers extension includes a limited no-trade clause.


There ya have it.


Had to know that was coming at some point. Sigh.


The only thing I am surprised on is the word limited



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PlusOne wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 12:55

Goose wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 10:45

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 08:42

Chris Johnston @reporterchris
Mikko Koskinen's #oilers extension includes a limited no-trade clause.


There ya have it.


Had to know that was coming at some point. Sigh.


The only thing I am surprised on is the word limited


What the F do they teach at Harvard negotiations classes? Good grief.



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Mike wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 10:04

PlusOne wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 12:55

Goose wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 10:45

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 08:42

Chris Johnston @reporterchris
Mikko Koskinen's #oilers extension includes a limited no-trade clause.


There ya have it.


Had to know that was coming at some point. Sigh.


The only thing I am surprised on is the word limited


What the F do they teach at Harvard negotiations classes? Good grief.


He didn’t go to Harvard Law school. His law degree is from the University of Ottawa. He took economics at Harvard. It’s still Harvard, so not to fully downplay that, but he’s not a Harvard trained lawyer.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 09:06

Mike wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 10:04

PlusOne wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 12:55

Goose wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 10:45

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 08:42

Chris Johnston @reporterchris
Mikko Koskinen's #oilers extension includes a limited no-trade clause.


There ya have it.


Had to know that was coming at some point. Sigh.


The only thing I am surprised on is the word limited


What the F do they teach at Harvard negotiations classes? Good grief.


He didn’t go to Harvard Law school. His law degree is from the University of Ottawa. He took economics at Harvard. It’s still Harvard, so not to fully downplay that, but he’s not a Harvard trained lawyer.


Which is funny because he’s even worse at economics.



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The timing on this makes absolutely no sense. The only way it does is if Oilers have a trade on the blocks for Talbot... but ...that would mean there was a plan involved somewhere ...




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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 10:32

The timing on this makes absolutely no sense. The only way it does is if Oilers have a trade on the blocks for Talbot... but ...that would mean there was a plan involved somewhere ...




Even if not...we just gave him the deal as if he was already UFA, we had no goalies signed and he finished the year strong. This is the absolute max deal any properly managed team would give a guy with ~45 NHL games under his belt where he was great for 2/3 of them, which is the best he can do now this year.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 09:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 10:32

The timing on this makes absolutely no sense. The only way it does is if Oilers have a trade on the blocks for Talbot... but ...that would mean there was a plan involved somewhere ...




Even if not...we just gave him the deal as if he was already UFA, we had no goalies signed and he finished the year strong. This is the absolute max deal any properly managed team would give a guy with ~45 NHL games under his belt where he was great for 2/3 of them, which is the best he can do now this year.


Hutton and Halak both signed for significantly less last year, and both have more impressive NHL resumes than Koskinen. If Koskinen played the entire season like he played his first 17 games, this would be a reasonable, but not great deal and I would still be worried about the term for a guy with very limited NHL experience.



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Goose wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 10:49

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 09:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 10:32

The timing on this makes absolutely no sense. The only way it does is if Oilers have a trade on the blocks for Talbot... but ...that would mean there was a plan involved somewhere ...




Even if not...we just gave him the deal as if he was already UFA, we had no goalies signed and he finished the year strong. This is the absolute max deal any properly managed team would give a guy with ~45 NHL games under his belt where he was great for 2/3 of them, which is the best he can do now this year.


Hutton and Halak both signed for significantly less last year, and both have more impressive NHL resumes than Koskinen. If Koskinen played the entire season like he played his first 17 games, this would be a reasonable, but not great deal and I would still be worried about the term for a guy with very limited NHL experience.


And let’s not forget - he turns 31 this year. It’s not like this is a 25 year old. There’s a decent chance of decline over the course of this deal.



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"I want to win. That's the biggest part of why I wanted to stay here... I truly believe this team & this organization can prove many guys wrong." Koskinen on signing a three-year extension with the #Oilers yesterday

"When you see a guy who competes like that & never quits on anything... you know the top end is significant... I love what I see." Coach Hitchcock on Mikko Koskinen's future between the #Oilers pipes




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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 11:39

"I want to win. That's the biggest part of why I wanted to stay here... I truly believe this team & this organization can prove many guys wrong." Koskinen on signing a three-year extension with the #Oilers yesterday

"When you see a guy who competes like that & never quits on anything... you know the top end is significant... I love what I see." Coach Hitchcock on Mikko Koskinen's future between the #Oilers pipes




What he said doesn't make me feel better right now but I like seeing that kind of stuff and according to all the media guys, he works his freaking ass off. Apparently he's out there by himself at least 30 mins before practice working on his game. I don't know if this is a good idea but I hope it works out.



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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 11:39

"I want to win. That's the biggest part of why I wanted to stay here... I truly believe this team & this organization can prove many guys wrong." Koskinen on signing a three-year extension with the #Oilers yesterday

"When you see a guy who competes like that & never quits on anything... you know the top end is significant... I love what I see." Coach Hitchcock on Mikko Koskinen's future between the #Oilers pipes




LOL!

Same thing last year!

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1476278



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Magnum wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 12:31

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 11:39

"I want to win. That's the biggest part of why I wanted to stay here... I truly believe this team & this organization can prove many guys wrong." Koskinen on signing a three-year extension with the #Oilers yesterday

"When you see a guy who competes like that & never quits on anything... you know the top end is significant... I love what I see." Coach Hitchcock on Mikko Koskinen's future between the #Oilers pipes




LOL!

Same thing last year!

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1476278

Belanger said the same thing. It's nice sounding, but meaningless pap.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 12:49

Magnum wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 12:31

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 11:39

"I want to win. That's the biggest part of why I wanted to stay here... I truly believe this team & this organization can prove many guys wrong." Koskinen on signing a three-year extension with the #Oilers yesterday

"When you see a guy who competes like that & never quits on anything... you know the top end is significant... I love what I see." Coach Hitchcock on Mikko Koskinen's future between the #Oilers pipes




LOL!

Same thing last year!

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1476278

Belanger said the same thing. It's nice sounding, but meaningless pap.


To be fair to Belanger, he said he was excited for years 2 AND 3 of his deal. We didn't let him have a chance at year 3. He probably would have turned the jets on that season and dominated for us, but we never gave him the chance.



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It's interesting to hear Stauffer over the last few weeks. He's the Oilers mouth piece, typically always sunshine and rainbows but lately he's been sounding actually a little critical of the Oilers. Today he's talking to Spec and is actually criticizing the defense and actually criticizing the forward depth. He used the phrase, you can't keep bleeding out talent.

Is he telegraphing the end of Chia at some point? Usually when Stauffer starts talking positive or negative about something like a player who could be signed, waived or traded, it ends up happening.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 12:51

It's interesting to hear Stauffer over the last few weeks. He's the Oilers mouth piece, typically always sunshine and rainbows but lately he's been sounding actually a little critical of the Oilers. Today he's talking to Spec and is actually criticizing the defense and actually criticizing the forward depth. He used the phrase, you can't keep bleeding out talent.

Is he telegraphing the end of Chia at some point? Usually when Stauffer starts talking positive or negative about something like a player who could be signed, waived or traded, it ends up happening.

Probably. We can use the past as a predictor of the future. The MSM to a man defended Eakins until a few weeks before he got canned. right around MacTavish's press conference word got out that he was finally in trouble and only then did the media start taking shots.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 12:51

It's interesting to hear Stauffer over the last few weeks. He's the Oilers mouth piece, typically always sunshine and rainbows but lately he's been sounding actually a little critical of the Oilers. Today he's talking to Spec and is actually criticizing the defense and actually criticizing the forward depth. He used the phrase, you can't keep bleeding out talent.

Is he telegraphing the end of Chia at some point? Usually when Stauffer starts talking positive or negative about something like a player who could be signed, waived or traded, it ends up happening.


Yes, this is definitely Stauffer telegraphing the end of Chia. Keeping the narrative in place that it's the GM's fault, while Lowe et. al. pass through mod scrutiny without a second thought.

Dude probably gets scripts.



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Magnum wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 14:26

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 12:51

It's interesting to hear Stauffer over the last few weeks. He's the Oilers mouth piece, typically always sunshine and rainbows but lately he's been sounding actually a little critical of the Oilers. Today he's talking to Spec and is actually criticizing the defense and actually criticizing the forward depth. He used the phrase, you can't keep bleeding out talent.

Is he telegraphing the end of Chia at some point? Usually when Stauffer starts talking positive or negative about something like a player who could be signed, waived or traded, it ends up happening.


Yes, this is definitely Stauffer telegraphing the end of Chia. Keeping the narrative in place that it's the GM's fault, while Lowe et. al. pass through mod scrutiny without a second thought.

Dude probably gets scripts.


Either gets scripts or he hides under the table during meetings to earn his 'scoops'



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Magnum wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 13:31

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 11:39

"I want to win. That's the biggest part of why I wanted to stay here... I truly believe this team & this organization can prove many guys wrong." Koskinen on signing a three-year extension with the #Oilers yesterday

"When you see a guy who competes like that & never quits on anything... you know the top end is significant... I love what I see." Coach Hitchcock on Mikko Koskinen's future between the #Oilers pipes




LOL!

Same thing last year!

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1476278

Oh man. I forgot about this.

"The Oilers entered the All-Star break with 47 points in 49 games, putting them 10 points out of the final wild-card spot in the West with four teams between them and the Colorado Avalanche. While clubs have overcome similar deficits in the past, the Los Angeles Kings, Minnesota Wild, and Anaheim Ducks each have 57 points as well, meaning Edmonton will also need tons of help down the stretch to have a chance."

So we're 2 points ahead of where we were last year through 49 games, with 49 points. Biggest difference is WC teams are currently at 52 points, not 57. So it's entirely possible, need to start winning games and also need some help but again, it's possible. If this team would have shown up before the 3rd period both games this past weekend, perhaps the gap is even tighter...



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We can confirm that Koskinen's Limited NTC is a 15 team 'No Trade' list.



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I know a poster that states he was all for the original Koskinen signing even though he never seen him play. The reasoning was because it was Chiarelli making the decision therefore he had faith (paraphrased).

I’m really surprised he hasn’t dropped a line in these waters regarding this extension. You know, to throw his genuine support behind the signing. Must not be bored.

EDIT: Sometimes it’s beneficial for me to read all the new posts in other threads before posting. So many posts. So little time. Seems my assumptions were wrong. The force is strong in this one.

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g2k wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 18:31

I know a poster that states he was all for the original Koskinen signing even though he never seen him play. The reasoning was because it was Chiarelli making the decision therefore he had faith (paraphrased).

I’m really surprised he hasn’t dropped a line in these waters regarding this extension. You know, to throw his genuine support behind the signing. Must not be bored.


Depends on the definition of safe. That challenge contract for Petry after we gave the big payday to Nikitin lead to some bad stuff. He's so damn lucky Clarkson took less money to play for the Leafs. Just dumb luck there.

The impatience was building though, the pressure to finally get something done was only getting higher each year beyond 2010. I'm sure he would have done many stupid things if he kept the job through the poor 15/16 season and beyond.

These guys all blow, and still have no grasp on how the game has evolved, even in the last 7-8 years.

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Darren Dreger @DarrenDrager Negotiations on the Koskinen extension started in early December. This was an organizational plan to sign him.

Only thing to take from this is that the timing of the extension and Chia being released are unrelated and should be taken as such.



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 09:38

Darren Dreger @DarrenDrager Negotiations on the Koskinen extension started in early December. This was an organizational plan to sign him.

Only thing to take from this is that the timing of the extension and Chia being released are unrelated and should be taken as such.

The only thing we can take from that is the next GM is saddled with an underperforming goalie contributing to a terrible cap situation.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:41

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 09:38

Darren Dreger @DarrenDrager Negotiations on the Koskinen extension started in early December. This was an organizational plan to sign him.

Only thing to take from this is that the timing of the extension and Chia being released are unrelated and should be taken as such.

The only thing we can take from that is the next GM is saddled with an underperforming goalie contributing to a terrible cap situation.


Okay, so 2 things to be taken from it icon_wink



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 09:38

Darren Dreger @DarrenDrager Negotiations on the Koskinen extension started in early December. This was an organizational plan to sign him.

Only thing to take from this is that the timing of the extension and Chia being released are unrelated and should be taken as such.


Spector says only Chia was involved in the negotiation, no one else at all.

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Can report that the Koskinen deal was negotiated between Chiarelli and the agent, Markus Lehto. No one else from Oilers end.


What a clown show. Nothing is going to change. Chia is all we get and they're trying to make him the scapegoat so everyone else can dodge blame.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 08:55


What a clown show. Nothing is going to change. Chia is all we get and they're trying to make him the scapegoat so everyone else can dodge blame.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 08:55

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 09:38

Darren Dreger @DarrenDrager Negotiations on the Koskinen extension started in early December. This was an organizational plan to sign him.

Only thing to take from this is that the timing of the extension and Chia being released are unrelated and should be taken as such.


Spector says only Chia was involved in the negotiation, no one else at all.

Mark Spector @SportsnetSpec
Can report that the Koskinen deal was negotiated between Chiarelli and the agent, Markus Lehto. No one else from Oilers end.


What a clown show. Nothing is going to change. Chia is all we get and they're trying to make him the scapegoat so everyone else can dodge blame.



Staples totally contradicts what Nicholson said. These guys can't even get their media lapdogs singing from the same song sheet.. Staples probably went with yesterday's version..



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I guess Chia figured Lucic's remaining 4.5 years at 6 million wasn't enough of a cap legacy.

He wanted to get past the 10 million mark and threw it at Koskinen before they could take the keys away.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 13:05

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 08:55

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 09:38

Darren Dreger @DarrenDrager Negotiations on the Koskinen extension started in early December. This was an organizational plan to sign him.

Only thing to take from this is that the timing of the extension and Chia being released are unrelated and should be taken as such.


Spector says only Chia was involved in the negotiation, no one else at all.

Mark Spector @SportsnetSpec
Can report that the Koskinen deal was negotiated between Chiarelli and the agent, Markus Lehto. No one else from Oilers end.


What a clown show. Nothing is going to change. Chia is all we get and they're trying to make him the scapegoat so everyone else can dodge blame.



Staples totally contradicts what Nicholson said. These guys can't even get their media lapdogs singing from the same song sheet.. Staples probably went with yesterday's version..


He drank from the bottle filled with yesterday's water.



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What exactly is happening with Koskinen right now? Hitch seems to be really pissed off at him. He directly called him out after the Montreal game and is sticking with Talbot now.

Koskinen doing something off ice that is rubbing Hitch the wrong way after he got this contract? After all the talking up Hitch did for both goalies when he took this team over, this seems like a pretty extreme shift. Especially since Talbot has had his fair share of poor games and goals against as well. And we're locked in now for 3 years with Koskinen. Management enjoying seeing the guy they just committed to being on the outs with their coach?



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 11 February 2019 10:17

What exactly is happening with Koskinen right now? Hitch seems to be really pissed off at him. He directly called him out after the Montreal game and is sticking with Talbot now.

Koskinen doing something off ice that is rubbing Hitch the wrong way after he got this contract? After all the talking up Hitch did for both goalies when he took this team over, this seems like a pretty extreme shift. Especially since Talbot has had his fair share of poor games and goals against as well. And we're locked in now for 3 years with Koskinen. Management enjoying seeing the guy they just committed to being on the outs with their coach?


I wonder if even though it won't look good, should the Oilers get rid of Hitch? He's clearly frustrated and rightly so but he's starting to carve guys up. He pulled Talbot and pissed him off to the point that Talbot lipped him off and sat in the dressing room he was so mad. Talbot is well liked in the room and usually the ultimate team guy. The organization rightly or wrongly picked Koskinen. Now the coach is lipping him off. He's carving the team up for effort.

Hitch is only here for a short time. It's supposedly his dream job but in reality, at his age, he knows he can't coach much longer. So with the way he talks, he wants to do it. Hitch is a coach that grates on guys and only lasts so long. So I could see him bringing out and pushing EVERY card and button he has in his arsenal. Which I don't think the Oilers like and I think they are not playing for him.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 11 February 2019 11:19

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 11 February 2019 10:17

What exactly is happening with Koskinen right now? Hitch seems to be really pissed off at him. He directly called him out after the Montreal game and is sticking with Talbot now.

Koskinen doing something off ice that is rubbing Hitch the wrong way after he got this contract? After all the talking up Hitch did for both goalies when he took this team over, this seems like a pretty extreme shift. Especially since Talbot has had his fair share of poor games and goals against as well. And we're locked in now for 3 years with Koskinen. Management enjoying seeing the guy they just committed to being on the outs with their coach?


I wonder if even though it won't look good, should the Oilers get rid of Hitch? He's clearly frustrated and rightly so but he's starting to carve guys up. He pulled Talbot and pissed him off to the point that Talbot lipped him off and sat in the dressing room he was so mad. Talbot is well liked in the room and usually the ultimate team guy. The organization rightly or wrongly picked Koskinen. Now the coach is lipping him off. He's carving the team up for effort.

Hitch is only here for a short time. It's supposedly his dream job but in reality, at his age, he knows he can't coach much longer. So with the way he talks, he wants to do it. Hitch is a coach that grates on guys and only lasts so long. So I could see him bringing out and pushing EVERY card and button he has in his arsenal. Which I don't think the Oilers like and I think they are not playing for him.


I do think the player blaming is in full force throughout the org now, from management down to Hitch. There seems to be an idea being sold to the media that this team should be good enough to make the playoffs, and it's all the players fault if they don't do it. The idea that character and effort are our only barriers to success, like we assume other teams aren't trying hard as well.

Fact of the matter is, this team is just not good beyond a handful of guys, and a 100% effort is usually only enough to win if the other team isn't trying their best either. Players know this, that their best usually isn't going to be good enough, and that's a frame of mind that falls on most bad teams loaded with below average NHL players.

But, the player blaming is a must now, because it's the idea sold by management for what ails this team. And the team is making Hitch look bad now because he came in saying he just needed 1-2 weeks to set everyone straight and get the team back on track, and he's realizing he simply doesn't have the horses to be able to have his team looking good for more than ~20 mins a night (McDavid's ice time).

This clown show seems to be hitting another level. Not sure a coaching change will do anything, and I doubt they fire Hitch. He is promoting the ideas that management is likely 100% in agreement with, it's the players fault that this is a bad team.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 11 February 2019 11:35

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 11 February 2019 11:19

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 11 February 2019 10:17

What exactly is happening with Koskinen right now? Hitch seems to be really pissed off at him. He directly called him out after the Montreal game and is sticking with Talbot now.

Koskinen doing something off ice that is rubbing Hitch the wrong way after he got this contract? After all the talking up Hitch did for both goalies when he took this team over, this seems like a pretty extreme shift. Especially since Talbot has had his fair share of poor games and goals against as well. And we're locked in now for 3 years with Koskinen. Management enjoying seeing the guy they just committed to being on the outs with their coach?


I wonder if even though it won't look good, should the Oilers get rid of Hitch? He's clearly frustrated and rightly so but he's starting to carve guys up. He pulled Talbot and pissed him off to the point that Talbot lipped him off and sat in the dressing room he was so mad. Talbot is well liked in the room and usually the ultimate team guy. The organization rightly or wrongly picked Koskinen. Now the coach is lipping him off. He's carving the team up for effort.

Hitch is only here for a short time. It's supposedly his dream job but in reality, at his age, he knows he can't coach much longer. So with the way he talks, he wants to do it. Hitch is a coach that grates on guys and only lasts so long. So I could see him bringing out and pushing EVERY card and button he has in his arsenal. Which I don't think the Oilers like and I think they are not playing for him.


I do think the player blaming is in full force throughout the org now, from management down to Hitch. There seems to be an idea being sold to the media that this team should be good enough to make the playoffs, and it's all the players fault if they don't do it. The idea that character and effort are our only barriers to success, like we assume other teams aren't trying hard as well.

Fact of the matter is, this team is just not good beyond a handful of guys, and a 100% effort is usually only enough to win if the other team isn't trying their best either. Players know this, that their best usually isn't going to be good enough, and that's a frame of mind that falls on most bad teams loaded with below average NHL players.

But, the player blaming is a must now, because it's the idea sold by management for what ails this team. And the team is making Hitch look bad now because he came in saying he just needed 1-2 weeks to set everyone straight and get the team back on track, and he's realizing he simply doesn't have the horses to be able to have his team looking good for more than ~20 mins a night (McDavid's ice time).

This clown show seems to be hitting another level. Not sure a coaching change will do anything, and I doubt they fire Hitch. He is promoting the ideas that management is likely 100% in agreement with, it's the players fault that this is a bad team.

I fully understand that the roster is flawed. It's not good enough, that's pretty obvious. As a paying customer though, I want to see the team trying. If they are playing hard and just get beat because they aren't talented enough, while that doesn't make me happy and I know they need to improve the players, it makes it easier to take. But there are guys on this team who are flat out not giving it their all. There is no excuse for that. So while it's the organizations fault the roster isn't talented enough, they have a right to complain about effort. It's flat out not good enough on a lot of nights/



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