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PlusOne wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:21

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:53

Reports a plenty coming out of Raleigh that the Canes are dangling Dougie Hamilton, as well as not wanting to lose Ferland in UFA if they can’t strike a deal. Meanwhile, in YEG, reports are that Chia may be looking at moving JP.

Totally hypothetical here;

Hamilton and Ferland to Edmonton
Lucic, Puljujarvi, Spooner/or/Manning and the NYI 3rd

Is this too ‘Chel? Flame away if you must. Draft pick too high? Obviously you’d have to get Milan’s blessing, with his NMC.

Yay? Nay?

Still think we miss playoffs this year even if this occurs.


I wont comment on the value as I am have no idea these days what good value is (also know as "the price you have to pay")

I do have concerns with Hamilton. There has to be a reason at this point that three teams are giving up on a guy who at one point was seen as an elite prospect.

That said, if the Canes are willing to take Lucic in any way then I would listen to almost any trade talk

I don't often agree with you on very many posts but I 100% agree with you on concerns with Hamilton. What is his deal?

When Boston decided to trade him, he had 42 pts in 72 games and he would have been what 22? That's pretty freaking good. Then he goes to Calgary and his worst year he had 12 goals and 43 pts. He had a 50 pts yr, then had 17 goals, 44 pts last year and was on maybe one of the best top pairings in the league. He's big, right shot, runs your PP, skates like the wind, moves the puck extremely well, puts up really good points, can play big mins. Defensively, he's not a shut down guy but he's good enough and his offense more than offsets the bad. You wish he was a bit meaner but that is nit picking. The majority of the teams want a guy with exactly what he brings to play in your top 4, yet teams are dumping him. In Calgary, they needed to change up things. The trade came down to Lindholm for Ferland and Hanifin for Hamilton. In my opinion for the Flames, if you want to make a change to your team, there are other guys I would trade first before Hamilton. They would have traded Ferland for Lindholm and been just fine. So they fact they wanted to trade him and when they did it, the GM didn't crap on him but didn't exactly speak highly of him, tells me something is up.

As much as Hamilton pretty much checks EVERY box the Oilers need. I don't know if I would do it because something is up with this guy that seems to affect the team. That being said, if you can get rid of Lucic, hard to pass it up. This is a tough one.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 09:41

PlusOne wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:21

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:53

Reports a plenty coming out of Raleigh that the Canes are dangling Dougie Hamilton, as well as not wanting to lose Ferland in UFA if they can’t strike a deal. Meanwhile, in YEG, reports are that Chia may be looking at moving JP.

Totally hypothetical here;

Hamilton and Ferland to Edmonton
Lucic, Puljujarvi, Spooner/or/Manning and the NYI 3rd

Is this too ‘Chel? Flame away if you must. Draft pick too high? Obviously you’d have to get Milan’s blessing, with his NMC.

Yay? Nay?

Still think we miss playoffs this year even if this occurs.


I wont comment on the value as I am have no idea these days what good value is (also know as "the price you have to pay")

I do have concerns with Hamilton. There has to be a reason at this point that three teams are giving up on a guy who at one point was seen as an elite prospect.

That said, if the Canes are willing to take Lucic in any way then I would listen to almost any trade talk

I don't often agree with you on very many posts but I 100% agree with you on concerns with Hamilton. What is his deal?

When Boston decided to trade him, he had 42 pts in 72 games and he would have been what 22? That's pretty freaking good. Then he goes to Calgary and his worst year he had 12 goals and 43 pts. He had a 50 pts yr, then had 17 goals, 44 pts last year and was on maybe one of the best top pairings in the league. He's big, right shot, runs your PP, skates like the wind, moves the puck extremely well, puts up really good points, can play big mins. Defensively, he's not a shut down guy but he's good enough and his offense more than offsets the bad. You wish he was a bit meaner but that is nit picking. The majority of the teams want a guy with exactly what he brings to play in your top 4, yet teams are dumping him. In Calgary, they needed to change up things. The trade came down to Lindholm for Ferland and Hanifin for Hamilton. In my opinion for the Flames, if you want to make a change to your team, there are other guys I would trade first before Hamilton. They would have traded Ferland for Lindholm and been just fine. So they fact they wanted to trade him and when they did it, the GM didn't crap on him but didn't exactly speak highly of him, tells me something is up.

As much as Hamilton pretty much checks EVERY box the Oilers need. I don't know if I would do it because something is up with this guy that seems to affect the team. That being said, if you can get rid of Lucic, hard to pass it up. This is a tough one.


Glad I’ve sparked some conversation.

IMO; from the bits we’ve heard is that Hamilton is rather very reserved and has interests that don’t involve drinking and partying. Sounds like someone the Oilers have under contract for another 7 years, a person who happens to be the main part of the leadership group. I’m sure there’s more to it than that, but as you said, Hamilton checks every box the Oilers need on the back end. Regardless, Chia tried to obtain him before, I’d be surprised if he’s not at least inquiring.



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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 10:07

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 09:41

PlusOne wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:21

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:53

Reports a plenty coming out of Raleigh that the Canes are dangling Dougie Hamilton, as well as not wanting to lose Ferland in UFA if they can’t strike a deal. Meanwhile, in YEG, reports are that Chia may be looking at moving JP.

Totally hypothetical here;

Hamilton and Ferland to Edmonton
Lucic, Puljujarvi, Spooner/or/Manning and the NYI 3rd

Is this too ‘Chel? Flame away if you must. Draft pick too high? Obviously you’d have to get Milan’s blessing, with his NMC.

Yay? Nay?

Still think we miss playoffs this year even if this occurs.


I wont comment on the value as I am have no idea these days what good value is (also know as "the price you have to pay")

I do have concerns with Hamilton. There has to be a reason at this point that three teams are giving up on a guy who at one point was seen as an elite prospect.

That said, if the Canes are willing to take Lucic in any way then I would listen to almost any trade talk

I don't often agree with you on very many posts but I 100% agree with you on concerns with Hamilton. What is his deal?

When Boston decided to trade him, he had 42 pts in 72 games and he would have been what 22? That's pretty freaking good. Then he goes to Calgary and his worst year he had 12 goals and 43 pts. He had a 50 pts yr, then had 17 goals, 44 pts last year and was on maybe one of the best top pairings in the league. He's big, right shot, runs your PP, skates like the wind, moves the puck extremely well, puts up really good points, can play big mins. Defensively, he's not a shut down guy but he's good enough and his offense more than offsets the bad. You wish he was a bit meaner but that is nit picking. The majority of the teams want a guy with exactly what he brings to play in your top 4, yet teams are dumping him. In Calgary, they needed to change up things. The trade came down to Lindholm for Ferland and Hanifin for Hamilton. In my opinion for the Flames, if you want to make a change to your team, there are other guys I would trade first before Hamilton. They would have traded Ferland for Lindholm and been just fine. So they fact they wanted to trade him and when they did it, the GM didn't crap on him but didn't exactly speak highly of him, tells me something is up.

As much as Hamilton pretty much checks EVERY box the Oilers need. I don't know if I would do it because something is up with this guy that seems to affect the team. That being said, if you can get rid of Lucic, hard to pass it up. This is a tough one.


Glad I’ve sparked some conversation.

IMO; from the bits we’ve heard is that Hamilton is rather very reserved and has interests that don’t involve drinking and partying. Sounds like someone the Oilers have under contract for another 7 years, a person who happens to be the main part of the leadership group. I’m sure there’s more to it than that, but as you said, Hamilton checks every box the Oilers need on the back end. Regardless, Chia tried to obtain him before, I’d be surprised if he’s not at least inquiring.

There has to be more too it than just not wanting to go out and get loaded every night. There are lots of different people both age wise and personality wise on a team. If you have a married guy who's in your late 20's or early 30's with kids, I don't see those guys going out with the 20 yr olds gettting hammered and picking up girls every night. There has to more to him as a person that is toxic to the room than just him not wanting to go for drinks.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 10:20

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 10:07

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 09:41

PlusOne wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:21

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:53

Reports a plenty coming out of Raleigh that the Canes are dangling Dougie Hamilton, as well as not wanting to lose Ferland in UFA if they can’t strike a deal. Meanwhile, in YEG, reports are that Chia may be looking at moving JP.

Totally hypothetical here;

Hamilton and Ferland to Edmonton
Lucic, Puljujarvi, Spooner/or/Manning and the NYI 3rd

Is this too ‘Chel? Flame away if you must. Draft pick too high? Obviously you’d have to get Milan’s blessing, with his NMC.

Yay? Nay?

Still think we miss playoffs this year even if this occurs.


I wont comment on the value as I am have no idea these days what good value is (also know as "the price you have to pay")

I do have concerns with Hamilton. There has to be a reason at this point that three teams are giving up on a guy who at one point was seen as an elite prospect.

That said, if the Canes are willing to take Lucic in any way then I would listen to almost any trade talk

I don't often agree with you on very many posts but I 100% agree with you on concerns with Hamilton. What is his deal?

When Boston decided to trade him, he had 42 pts in 72 games and he would have been what 22? That's pretty freaking good. Then he goes to Calgary and his worst year he had 12 goals and 43 pts. He had a 50 pts yr, then had 17 goals, 44 pts last year and was on maybe one of the best top pairings in the league. He's big, right shot, runs your PP, skates like the wind, moves the puck extremely well, puts up really good points, can play big mins. Defensively, he's not a shut down guy but he's good enough and his offense more than offsets the bad. You wish he was a bit meaner but that is nit picking. The majority of the teams want a guy with exactly what he brings to play in your top 4, yet teams are dumping him. In Calgary, they needed to change up things. The trade came down to Lindholm for Ferland and Hanifin for Hamilton. In my opinion for the Flames, if you want to make a change to your team, there are other guys I would trade first before Hamilton. They would have traded Ferland for Lindholm and been just fine. So they fact they wanted to trade him and when they did it, the GM didn't crap on him but didn't exactly speak highly of him, tells me something is up.

As much as Hamilton pretty much checks EVERY box the Oilers need. I don't know if I would do it because something is up with this guy that seems to affect the team. That being said, if you can get rid of Lucic, hard to pass it up. This is a tough one.


Glad I’ve sparked some conversation.

IMO; from the bits we’ve heard is that Hamilton is rather very reserved and has interests that don’t involve drinking and partying. Sounds like someone the Oilers have under contract for another 7 years, a person who happens to be the main part of the leadership group. I’m sure there’s more to it than that, but as you said, Hamilton checks every box the Oilers need on the back end. Regardless, Chia tried to obtain him before, I’d be surprised if he’s not at least inquiring.

There has to be more too it than just not wanting to go out and get loaded every night. There are lots of different people both age wise and personality wise on a team. If you have a married guy who's in your late 20's or early 30's with kids, I don't see those guys going out with the 20 yr olds gettting hammered and picking up girls every night. There has to more to him as a person that is toxic to the room than just him not wanting to go for drinks.


The Dougie smear campaign did seem to include stuff about him skipping out on team events. He does still do his share of charity stuff though.

Dunno. If Chia wanted to get him earlier after knowing him for some years already, he can't be that bad.

Him being on the market now might just be related to his results and how the team is sucking and are probably super embarrassed about that trade.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 10:23

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 10:20

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 10:07

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 09:41

PlusOne wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:21

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:53

Reports a plenty coming out of Raleigh that the Canes are dangling Dougie Hamilton, as well as not wanting to lose Ferland in UFA if they can’t strike a deal. Meanwhile, in YEG, reports are that Chia may be looking at moving JP.

Totally hypothetical here;

Hamilton and Ferland to Edmonton
Lucic, Puljujarvi, Spooner/or/Manning and the NYI 3rd

Is this too ‘Chel? Flame away if you must. Draft pick too high? Obviously you’d have to get Milan’s blessing, with his NMC.

Yay? Nay?

Still think we miss playoffs this year even if this occurs.


I wont comment on the value as I am have no idea these days what good value is (also know as "the price you have to pay")

I do have concerns with Hamilton. There has to be a reason at this point that three teams are giving up on a guy who at one point was seen as an elite prospect.

That said, if the Canes are willing to take Lucic in any way then I would listen to almost any trade talk

I don't often agree with you on very many posts but I 100% agree with you on concerns with Hamilton. What is his deal?

When Boston decided to trade him, he had 42 pts in 72 games and he would have been what 22? That's pretty freaking good. Then he goes to Calgary and his worst year he had 12 goals and 43 pts. He had a 50 pts yr, then had 17 goals, 44 pts last year and was on maybe one of the best top pairings in the league. He's big, right shot, runs your PP, skates like the wind, moves the puck extremely well, puts up really good points, can play big mins. Defensively, he's not a shut down guy but he's good enough and his offense more than offsets the bad. You wish he was a bit meaner but that is nit picking. The majority of the teams want a guy with exactly what he brings to play in your top 4, yet teams are dumping him. In Calgary, they needed to change up things. The trade came down to Lindholm for Ferland and Hanifin for Hamilton. In my opinion for the Flames, if you want to make a change to your team, there are other guys I would trade first before Hamilton. They would have traded Ferland for Lindholm and been just fine. So they fact they wanted to trade him and when they did it, the GM didn't crap on him but didn't exactly speak highly of him, tells me something is up.

As much as Hamilton pretty much checks EVERY box the Oilers need. I don't know if I would do it because something is up with this guy that seems to affect the team. That being said, if you can get rid of Lucic, hard to pass it up. This is a tough one.


Glad I’ve sparked some conversation.

IMO; from the bits we’ve heard is that Hamilton is rather very reserved and has interests that don’t involve drinking and partying. Sounds like someone the Oilers have under contract for another 7 years, a person who happens to be the main part of the leadership group. I’m sure there’s more to it than that, but as you said, Hamilton checks every box the Oilers need on the back end. Regardless, Chia tried to obtain him before, I’d be surprised if he’s not at least inquiring.

There has to be more too it than just not wanting to go out and get loaded every night. There are lots of different people both age wise and personality wise on a team. If you have a married guy who's in your late 20's or early 30's with kids, I don't see those guys going out with the 20 yr olds gettting hammered and picking up girls every night. There has to more to him as a person that is toxic to the room than just him not wanting to go for drinks.


The Dougie smear campaign did seem to include stuff about him skipping out on team events. He does still do his share of charity stuff though.

Dunno. If Chia wanted to get him earlier after knowing him for some years already, he can't be that bad.

Him being on the market now might just be related to his results and how the team is sucking and are probably super embarrassed about that trade.

For me as long as he isn't cancer to a team, I would be all over him. He checks almost every box. If you are worried about him not being tough enough on a pair, put him with a guy like Nurse who is freaking nasty. I just look at the skill set and what he does and almost every team in the league wants a guy like him yet a 3rd team is OK to trade him. If Bouchard can turn into Hamilton, I would be dancing in the streets.



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The Dougie smear campaign did seem to include stuff about him skipping out on team events. He does still do his share of charity stuff though.

Dunno. If Chia wanted to get him earlier after knowing him for some years already, he can't be that bad.

Him being on the market now might just be related to his results and how the team is sucking and are probably super embarrassed about that trade.


Here's the thing - if the Oilers are a flawed organization, and if players have concerns about coming here, and the city isn't appealing and it's next to impossible to find first pairing, point producing defencemen, especially for our management team...then we may not be able to find a perfect player to play that role and we may have to accept some warts.

I've always thought it interesting that there's so many reasons that the team wouldn't want some defenceman who produces 40+ points a year. Whether he's not physical enough, or he isn't mean enough or he's not airtight defensively or he takes too many risks, or he's just kinda weird...the Oilers (and their fans) have always seemed to find reasons not to get or not to keep these players. Maybe we need to forget about that player being Chris Pronger 2.0, and just accept that we could really use a guy who can move the puck up ice, get shots to the goal, and put up 50 points. Even better if he's a right shot, so that we finally can work a one-timer in to our powerplay scheme.

I do wonder what the reasons are behind Hamilton's somewhat frequent moves. We've heard stories about his parents, we've heard he's a bit of an outsider...those might be true. He might be a weirdo that no one likes that much. I don't really care though if everyone is best friends. If we can acquire a player who helps us on the ice, then I think the team has to do it. And if we can take advantage of someone selling low because they think "he's just not a ____-type of player" for a change, that would be good.



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One interesting one I saw suggested was Lucic for Schneider. But after July 1st when Lucic gets his bonus.

Jersey owes Schneider 18M in base salary over the next 3 years. Lucic will be owed 16M over the next 4 years after his next bonus is paid, and could be traded in years 3 and 4 as his full NMC is gone.

Schneider is likely close to being on LTIR for the rest of his contract, so that would be fine for us to take on. Jersey saves money, and they don't really care about hitting the cap ceiling, so they would probably not care they are trading a 6M cap hit for 6M, as long as they save some cash.



That's all I got for a big trade :) Ridding ourselves of Lucic is probably one of the most important things this management group can do right now.



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Given Lucic’s performance since he left Boston and disgusting contract, I highly doubt that any team would take a flyer on him. It looked like a good move in theory at the time because of his past play, but it’s only gotten worse. Buy him out. That’s all you can do in this case. It’s not worth risking the loss of prospects or picks to be rid of that guy and his contract. I hoped he could provide something we lacked but he hasn’t.

Why is it that Calgary is able to attract free agents of quality and build a team around young guys, yet the Oilers can’t? We arguably had more high end picks and potential prospects the last decade yet are still failing miserably compared to most teams in the league. I think people are right, McDavid will politely ask to be traded away to a contender because this group is so incapable of recognizing their failures and ineptitude due to inflated egos and some unearned air of superiority. What was done on the ice as part of a team does not translate to success in the board room.



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Players decry the local fans and media for being hard on them. You play a team game professionally you can’t not expect to be criticized when you appear to mail it in daily. The first few games of Hitch, Lucic looked like he was reenergized and found a new effective role. Now he and the rest of the team have reverted back to the mean of complete suckitude.


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Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 12:53

Reports a plenty coming out of Raleigh that the Canes are dangling Dougie Hamilton, as well as not wanting to lose Ferland in UFA if they can’t strike a deal. Meanwhile, in YEG, reports are that Chia may be looking at moving JP.

Totally hypothetical here;

Hamilton and Ferland to Edmonton
Lucic, Puljujarvi, Spooner/or/Manning and the NYI 3rd

Is this too ‘Chel? Flame away if you must. Draft pick too high? Obviously you’d have to get Milan’s blessing, with his NMC.

Yay? Nay?

Still think we miss playoffs this year even if this occurs.


If Chia could pull off getting Hamilton and moving Lucic in the same trade, I would nominate him for GM of the year.

Hamilton is having a down year, but even with Puljujarvi's goal last night, Hamilton has more goals than JP and Lucic combined. And I'm a fan of Puljujarvi, but he is not an established NHL player. I don't see any way that a team would be willing to give up a really good NHLer and take on Lucic's disaster of a contract (it might be the worst deal in the NHL right now), just to get JP.




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Goose wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 10:00

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 12:53

Reports a plenty coming out of Raleigh that the Canes are dangling Dougie Hamilton, as well as not wanting to lose Ferland in UFA if they can’t strike a deal. Meanwhile, in YEG, reports are that Chia may be looking at moving JP.

Totally hypothetical here;

Hamilton and Ferland to Edmonton
Lucic, Puljujarvi, Spooner/or/Manning and the NYI 3rd

Is this too ‘Chel? Flame away if you must. Draft pick too high? Obviously you’d have to get Milan’s blessing, with his NMC.

Yay? Nay?

Still think we miss playoffs this year even if this occurs.


If Chia could pull off getting Hamilton and moving Lucic in the same trade, I would nominate him for GM of the year.

Hamilton is having a down year, but even with Puljujarvi's goal last night, Hamilton has more goals than JP and Lucic combined. And I'm a fan of Puljujarvi, but he is not an established NHL player. I don't see any way that a team would be willing to give up a really good NHLer and take on Lucic's disaster of a contract (it might be the worst deal in the NHL right now), just to get JP.




There is something really wrong with that Carolina team. Something about how they play that just gives guys weird results. Definitely a team worth trading with. Think it's a unique case where players on that team have suppressed value because of the weird situation.

They value possession numbers. Would they still believe Lucic is a good possession player? :) His corsi % is actually over 50% now that I look.



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I read some stuff from a hockey writer the other day who listed the Oilers as being one of the teams that should be all in on Tarasenko as apparently the Blues are pretty desperate on making changes. I personally don't think it would happen but for fun, I would be curious to see what some think is a legit offer where Oilers fans would be OK with it. I really don't want to hear how Chia sucks or how he will pay too much or Lucic blows or the usual stuff. I know all that. Just what would be an acceptable trade.

My thoughts:

They'd have to include a first. Probably this seasons because with the Oilers not a for sure playoff team,it could be a lottery pick. If you are the Blues, you don't want to roll the dice on next years being a really low.

I think they would need to include Puljujarvi. My guess is they would want a young, cheap forward, who they would have lots of control over with potential. Puljujarvi hasn't put it together yet, the jury is out on what he might be but was a 4th overall, is huge, skates like the wind and has a TON of potential. If you made a list of what a ideal hockey player would look like, it would be Puljujarvi.

I would think they would want a young dman(I assume Bouchard is a non starter). Maybe Nurse but I actually think the guy I would go for if I was the Blues is Jones. I like Nurse a lot but I think he has a ceiling as a maybe decent #3 20-30 pt, mean, nasty dman who skates really well, defends OK, not great, he moves the puck OK, not great. A decent, all around dman. I know it's early but I think Jones has the potential to be a really good, second pairing, moves the puck really well, heady, offensive dman who is a decent defender as well.

Those would be the 3 main pieces for Tarasenko.

They would need to move some money. So if they can get him to agree to waive, I think the play would be to move Sekera. The Blues are going to lose Jay Bo who's now a 3rd pairing dman making 5.4 mill. So to put Sekera in at the same money, in the same spot isn't a stretch. To get the Blues to take him, you'd have to offer something else. So maybe you throw in an decent defense prospect. Lagesson is supposed to be looking really good. Bear would intrigue maybe some people with his skill set and with the way things are going in the NHL. Maybe you go as high as Benning who's a #6, right shot, NHL dman and then the Blues fire back a token 7th rounder years from now.



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If you can get the Hurricanes tontake Lucic and any ELC player for a healthy Hamilton you pull the trigger.

Even if Hamilton has warts and has bounced he still performs on the ice. Even when he gets moved, he still brings back a decent return. Same can’t be said for Lucic. Like some other poster pointed out in a different thread, Lucic’s Best case scenario should mirror Lupul’s. Bury the man in LTIR. Make a hangnail look like career ender. It could be argued Lucic had his wrists fused.



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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 10 January 2019 18:34

If you can get the Hurricanes tontake Lucic and any ELC player for a healthy Hamilton you pull the trigger.

Even if Hamilton has warts and has bounced he still performs on the ice. Even when he gets moved, he still brings back a decent return. Same can’t be said for Lucic. Like some other poster pointed out in a different thread, Lucic’s Best case scenario should mirror Lupul’s. Bury the man in LTIR. Make a hangnail look like career ender. It could be argued Lucic had his wrists fused.


Player has to have no pride and play along like Lupul though. Lupul was happy to be paid for nothing, and only revealed he was faking because someone made him feel embarrassed on twitter. The NHL investigated and he probably went back to his act to make it go away so he could go back to laying around.

Is Lucic the type to be turd and just go away? I'm not so sure. Especially with how much money he can make if he can force us to buy him out. Had this discussion with Adam previously. I am curious what the punishment would be for us if we tried to force Lucic to go away and he refused and complained to the NHLPA. That happening would be so very Oilers :)



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I have a feeling that if Lucic somehow got traded, he would be a lot better for who ever got him. Maybe not over 20 goals and 50+ pts but I could see mid teens and 40 pts. For a guy that has had his skills disappear, he still gets a hell of a lot of chances. SO I think it's all mental for him. From the day he signed, there was an outcry of his contract being crappy before he even played a single game. He had a pretty good first year yet he was crapped on. Then it went a bit sideways, he's feeling the heat. Gets crapped on continuously. It snowballs. He's finding it harder than he anticipated to be in Edmonton than he thought. It continues to snowball.

If he went to an American market, I think he'd be OK.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 11 January 2019 12:33

I have a feeling that if Lucic somehow got traded, he would be a lot better for who ever got him. Maybe not over 20 goals and 50+ pts but I could see mid teens and 40 pts. For a guy that has had his skills disappear, he still gets a hell of a lot of chances. SO I think it's all mental for him. From the day he signed, there was an outcry of his contract being crappy before he even played a single game. He had a pretty good first year yet he was crapped on. Then it went a bit sideways, he's feeling the heat. Gets crapped on continuously. It snowballs. He's finding it harder than he anticipated to be in Edmonton than he thought. It continues to snowball.

If he went to an American market, I think he'd be OK.


Aw man. Another guy to at to the list that had to be traded from the Oilers to get their career back on track? :)



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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 11 January 2019 12:33

I have a feeling that if Lucic somehow got traded, he would be a lot better for who ever got him. Maybe not over 20 goals and 50+ pts but I could see mid teens and 40 pts. For a guy that has had his skills disappear, he still gets a hell of a lot of chances. SO I think it's all mental for him. From the day he signed, there was an outcry of his contract being crappy before he even played a single game. He had a pretty good first year yet he was crapped on. Then it went a bit sideways, he's feeling the heat. Gets crapped on continuously. It snowballs. He's finding it harder than he anticipated to be in Edmonton than he thought. It continues to snowball.

If he went to an American market, I think he'd be OK.


I agree, a different NHL team would really benefit from taking Lucic in a trade.

*Looks to see if any NHL GMs are listening*

Yeah, I know he’s going to bounce back and be a great producer for the Oilers, but he’d probably be even better, sooner, potentially immediately, with a change of scenery. Hate to see him go, but you got to give something to get something.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 10 January 2019 18:44

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 10 January 2019 18:34

If you can get the Hurricanes tontake Lucic and any ELC player for a healthy Hamilton you pull the trigger.

Even if Hamilton has warts and has bounced he still performs on the ice. Even when he gets moved, he still brings back a decent return. Same can’t be said for Lucic. Like some other poster pointed out in a different thread, Lucic’s Best case scenario should mirror Lupul’s. Bury the man in LTIR. Make a hangnail look like career ender. It could be argued Lucic had his wrists fused.


Player has to have no pride and play along like Lupul though. Lupul was happy to be paid for nothing, and only revealed he was faking because someone made him feel embarrassed on twitter. The NHL investigated and he probably went back to his act to make it go away so he could go back to laying around.

Is Lucic the type to be turd and just go away? I'm not so sure. Especially with how much money he can make if he can force us to buy him out. Had this discussion with Adam previously. I am curious what the punishment would be for us if we tried to force Lucic to go away and he refused and complained to the NHLPA. That happening would be so very Oilers :)


I don’t think Lucic is at all that type of player. I was just best case scenario. I have zero belief he’d roll over on his career.



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Sorry dude... two solid players in Hamilton and Ferland, for a guy that is possibly the worst albatross contract in the NHL, an overpriced Spooner, a total project in Pulju and a 3rd? No way.

Maybe if you threw the first and second picks in there instead... maybe that gets some attention.



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Washington lost its 7th straight tonight... sounds like they and the Oilers would be good partners to shake it up.


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Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 13:53

Reports a plenty coming out of Raleigh that the Canes are dangling Dougie Hamilton, as well as not wanting to lose Ferland in UFA if they can’t strike a deal. Meanwhile, in YEG, reports are that Chia may be looking at moving JP.

Totally hypothetical here;

Hamilton and Ferland to Edmonton
Lucic, Puljujarvi, Spooner/or/Manning and the NYI 3rd

Is this too ‘Chel? Flame away if you must. Draft pick too high? Obviously you’d have to get Milan’s blessing, with his NMC.

Yay? Nay?

Still think we miss playoffs this year even if this occurs.


So oiler dump a very bad contract, a guy heading towards a bust, a cap dump(manning)

for Hamilton who can play 20+ a night? and Ferland who will have back to back 20 goal years? Just why do the canes do it?



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