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 Re: Oilers claim Zykov [message #725970 is a reply to message #725966 ]
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WhoreableGuy wrote on Fri, 28 December 2018 11:23

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/oilers-zykov-ducks-dotch in-amongst-placed-waivers/

Zykov placed on waivers for purpose of assignment.

I heard on Oilers Lunch a couple of days ago that Yamamoto might be called up.



Zykov played five games for the Oilers. His icetimes were:

11:41
7:01
4:42
5:58
6:18

Two penalty minutes, no shots, no points, -1.

Maybe Hitchcock saw something he really didn't like in practice, but I'd say that he didn't get much of a shot.

That said, it's not like there's a deep roster of wingers that he needed to shove aside to get a shot here...

Oh well, it didn't cost us anything. It's going to be more embarrassing when it's Spooner on waivers...



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 Re: Oilers claim Zykov [message #725971 is a reply to message #725970 ]
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Adam wrote on Fri, 28 December 2018 13:47

WhoreableGuy wrote on Fri, 28 December 2018 11:23

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/oilers-zykov-ducks-dotch in-amongst-placed-waivers/

Zykov placed on waivers for purpose of assignment.

I heard on Oilers Lunch a couple of days ago that Yamamoto might be called up.



Zykov played five games for the Oilers. His icetimes were:

11:41
7:01
4:42
5:58
6:18

Two penalty minutes, no shots, no points, -1.

Maybe Hitchcock saw something he really didn't like in practice, but I'd say that he didn't get much of a shot.

That said, it's not like there's a deep roster of wingers that he needed to shove aside to get a shot here...

Oh well, it didn't cost us anything. It's going to be more embarrassing when it's Spooner on waivers...

0 pucks fired on net in 33 minutes of game time. Not kidding he didn't get much of a shot.



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 Re: Oilers claim Zykov [message #725985 is a reply to message #725966 ]
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The guy hardly played and really wasn't given an opportunity to show his stuff. He'll probably end up playing in Anaheim and finish next season second in team scoring behind that other guy we gave up on at the beginning of the season who plays top minutes on their first line and is on their power play. (Aberg ) re arranging the deck chairs again to make it look like I'm actually doing something?

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 Re: Oilers claim Zykov [message #726003 is a reply to message #725985 ]
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...and Zykov gets claimed...by the Las Vegas Golden Knights....

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/golden-knights-claim-val entin-zykov-off-waivers-oilers/

..




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 Re: Oilers claim Zykov [message #726004 is a reply to message #726003 ]
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GabbyDugan wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 09:53

...and Zykov gets claimed...by the Las Vegas Golden Knights....

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/golden-knights-claim-val entin-zykov-off-waivers-oilers/

..

Nov 15: Trade F Ryan Strome for F Ryan Spooner
Nov 21: Trade 6th round pick for D Chris Wideman
Nov 30: Claimed F Valentin Zykov on waivers
Dec 29: Lost Zykov on waivers to LV


Chiarelli making some loser roster moves lately (again) .. I think he just throws darts at the wall. Spooner, and Wideman were both bad calls by the pro-scouting, and Chiarelli. Watch Zykov fill the net in LV. Guy never got a chance, giving away a gift without even opening the wrapping paper.



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 Re: Oilers claim Zykov [message #726007 is a reply to message #726004 ]
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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 12:56


Watch Zykov fill the net in LV. Guy never got a chance, giving away a gift without even opening the wrapping paper.


Just another cut among the thousand, or are we closer to dying from 2 thousand now?

Odds are low that this is a massive error, and the team gave up nothing to get him.

My issue is that it was completely unnecessary, another deck chair moved.

When I heard Russell was close I assumed this move was required because someone had to go to make room but no, it was to call Yamo up.
I like Yamo, I think he is fun to watch at times and might be a player some day, but there is ZERO need to call him up now, even less so when the cost is losing a player.

Maybe this is what Hitch meant about coaching VS winning? It is the only brightside I see and hope I have. Maybe Hitch has some bright spot he sees that coaching Yamo on can accelerate his dev



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 Re: Oilers claim Zykov [message #726069 is a reply to message #726007 ]
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PlusOne wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 12:55


I like Yamo, I think he is fun to watch at times and might be a player some day, but there is ZERO need to call him up now, even less so when the cost is losing a player.

Maybe this is what Hitch meant about coaching VS winning? It is the only brightside I see and hope I have. Maybe Hitch has some bright spot he sees that coaching Yamo on can accelerate his dev


Hitchcock has got to see all his options in person. I think it is an unnecessary move made necessary by the organizational tire fire. With Chiasson on the IR, Yamo can play and show Hitch what he's got.



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 Re: Oilers claim Zykov [message #725968 is a reply to message #723606 ]
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I actually liked what I saw in his first game with the Oilers. Then his ice time went down drastically. Right now it seem like the Oilers are just in desperation to get some secondary scoring, the 4th liners are the ones paying the price.


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Hopefully making roster room for Russell


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 Re: Oilers claim Zykov [message #726008 is a reply to message #723606 ]
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There is no way this guy isn't gonna score on us for Vegas.


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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 12:34

There is no way this guy isn't gonna score on us for Vegas.


I agree.. zero chance :)



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 Re: Oilers claim Zykov [message #726446 is a reply to message #723606 ]
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Just remembering when Hitch was saying there were analytics the Oilers dug into that showed Zykov could fill a major hole for us and he does well the stuff we know we are poor at.

And the guy barely gets a chance to play at all and is waived :)



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 22:55

Just remembering when Hitch was saying there were analytics the Oilers dug into that showed Zykov could fill a major hole for us and he does well the stuff we know we are poor at.

And the guy barely gets a chance to play at all and is waived :)

Oilers use analytics? I heard different.



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g2k wrote on Thu, 03 January 2019 18:00

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 22:55

Just remembering when Hitch was saying there were analytics the Oilers dug into that showed Zykov could fill a major hole for us and he does well the stuff we know we are poor at.

And the guy barely gets a chance to play at all and is waived :)

Oilers use analytics? I heard different.


Hitch actually mentioned analytics after we acquired Zykov. He also has said in other interviews that he uses analytics to figure our red zone scoring chance info.

Chia also mentioned analytics before, like how one group told him Russell was #2 behind Karlsson for some category. I think it was plays made leading to zone exits, or maybe zone entries, I forget.

Using analytics, and hiring good people to ensure you're using analytics well can be very different things I suppose. Lots of companies out there now that will sell you data or access to sites to generate reports. Maybe our analytics department is just MacT and Chia logging onto sites, and I guess Hitch too.

[Updated on: Thu, 03 January 2019 18:16]


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 Re: Oilers claim Zykov [message #726481 is a reply to message #726478 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 03 January 2019 18:14

g2k wrote on Thu, 03 January 2019 18:00

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 22:55

Just remembering when Hitch was saying there were analytics the Oilers dug into that showed Zykov could fill a major hole for us and he does well the stuff we know we are poor at.

And the guy barely gets a chance to play at all and is waived :)

Oilers use analytics? I heard different.


Hitch actually mentioned analytics after we acquired Zykov. He also has said in other interviews that he uses analytics to figure our red zone scoring chance info.

Chia also mentioned analytics before, like how one group told him Russell was #2 behind Karlsson for some category. I think it was plays made leading to zone exits, or maybe zone entries, I forget.

Using analytics, and hiring good people to ensure you're using analytics well can be very different things I suppose. Lots of companies out there now that will sell you data or access to sites to generate reports. Maybe our analytics department is just MacT and Chia logging onto sites, and I guess Hitch too.

Yeah who really knows. I thought it was Gregor that said they don’t care about analytics. But it might have been during one of his awesome rants lately. One thing I will say about Jason, he’s not afraid to lay into the GM and OBC these days. Maybe it wasn’t Jason, but rather someone else talking on 1260. Nonetheless he’s been great to listen to after some of these trades, call ups etc.



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g2k wrote on Thu, 03 January 2019 19:52

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 03 January 2019 18:14

g2k wrote on Thu, 03 January 2019 18:00

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 22:55

Just remembering when Hitch was saying there were analytics the Oilers dug into that showed Zykov could fill a major hole for us and he does well the stuff we know we are poor at.

And the guy barely gets a chance to play at all and is waived :)

Oilers use analytics? I heard different.


Hitch actually mentioned analytics after we acquired Zykov. He also has said in other interviews that he uses analytics to figure our red zone scoring chance info.

Chia also mentioned analytics before, like how one group told him Russell was #2 behind Karlsson for some category. I think it was plays made leading to zone exits, or maybe zone entries, I forget.

Using analytics, and hiring good people to ensure you're using analytics well can be very different things I suppose. Lots of companies out there now that will sell you data or access to sites to generate reports. Maybe our analytics department is just MacT and Chia logging onto sites, and I guess Hitch too.

Yeah who really knows. I thought it was Gregor that said they don’t care about analytics. But it might have been during one of his awesome rants lately. One thing I will say about Jason, he’s not afraid to lay into the GM and OBC these days. Maybe it wasn’t Jason, but rather someone else talking on 1260. Nonetheless he’s been great to listen to after some of these trades, call ups etc.


I know McLellan didn't give 2 craps about analytics. Many times while he was here he was take shots at analytics nerds and how they don't know how the game is really played and how they just stay home and never show up to the rink to get a good laugh from Matheson, Spector and the like.



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