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So, it really was all McLellan's fault icon_biggrin


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That was a 'show' game through most the lineup on the road in a tough building.

The Oil manned up, coming back to tie 3 times. Koskinen didn't get a star but he was pretty large in this outcome.

Some rough edges as usual but I feel better about new eyes, new voice to get attention and hopefully mitigate this with the roster.



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If the plan of the Oil is to get to OT if they can't win outright, I can live with that. Is there any player in the NHL who is as clutch in OT as Connor? He is freaking MONEY in extra time.


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Weird game.

No way they win this game with 2018 Talbot.



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g2k wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 23:37

Weird game.

No way they win this game with 2018 Talbot.


Or Lucic on the 1st line.

That's probably the most in his element Lucic has looked in a game in 2 years.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 23:39

g2k wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 23:37

Weird game.

No way they win this game with 2018 Talbot.


Or Lucic on the 1st line.

That's probably the most in his element Lucic has looked in a game in 2 years.


Hitch's post match comment was interesting about Lucic, seeing him as a third liner, who'll see some PP again as long as he carries on like tonight. He also said he's told him to forget about scoring almost as the goals will come to beat the slump he's in.



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Leia wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 23:47

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 23:39

g2k wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 23:37

Weird game.

No way they win this game with 2018 Talbot.


Or Lucic on the 1st line.

That's probably the most in his element Lucic has looked in a game in 2 years.


Hitch's post match comment was interesting about Lucic, seeing him as a third liner, who'll see some PP again as long as he carries on like tonight. He also said he's told him to forget about scoring almost as the goals will come to beat the slump he's in.


And Lucic seriously looked reborn in this game. Was very nice to see.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 00:50

Leia wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 23:47

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 23:39

g2k wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 23:37

Weird game.

No way they win this game with 2018 Talbot.


Or Lucic on the 1st line.

That's probably the most in his element Lucic has looked in a game in 2 years.


Hitch's post match comment was interesting about Lucic, seeing him as a third liner, who'll see some PP again as long as he carries on like tonight. He also said he's told him to forget about scoring almost as the goals will come to beat the slump he's in.


And Lucic seriously looked reborn in this game. Was very nice to see.


Lots of rumours about him and Tmac being at odds over the past year or so. Will be interesting to see how his game progresses from now.



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This team is so much about the highs and lows. They showed tonight that they can grind results out against the best in the league, but we also know they can blow out just as easy. I said quite a few times last year I felt we weren't far away from being "A" team and I'm still of that opinion. I hope the new eyes and voice can be that changer from it.

That was the best game from JJ in a while tonight. He's been fairly invisible this season so far, but tonight he seemed on his game and in the faces of the sharks. Also Gravel isn't doing anything to make us angry on the blue line, but quietly gets on with his job, and isn't getting acclaim for it.



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g2k wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 22:37

Weird game.

No way they win this game with 2018 Talbot.


No kidding, Talbot just got himself a rink-side seat for the majority of games going forward.





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Talbot is toast. I don't think he's coming back from this folks... at least not with us.


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Hitch says Lucic needs to stop being obsessed about scoring and try to do what he knows he can to help the team, be physical grind things out.

McLellan on the other hand will re-arrange the entire team for months to let Lucic embarrass himself as everyone tries to get him a goal.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 23:48

Hitch says Lucic needs to stop being obsessed about scoring and try to do what he knows he can to help the team, be physical grind things out.

McLellan on the other hand will re-arrange the entire team for months to let Lucic embarrass himself as everyone tries to get him a goal.


I want to know who the player was that Hitch kept forgetting the name and didn't move till they found a nickname that stuck..



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I'm guessing it was Marody. Or Jujar


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Leia wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 00:00

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 23:48

Hitch says Lucic needs to stop being obsessed about scoring and try to do what he knows he can to help the team, be physical grind things out.

McLellan on the other hand will re-arrange the entire team for months to let Lucic embarrass himself as everyone tries to get him a goal.


I want to know who the player was that Hitch kept forgetting the name and didn't move till they found a nickname that stuck..


Probably Drake. Even I still call him Caligula.



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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 00:30

Leia wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 00:00

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 23:48

Hitch says Lucic needs to stop being obsessed about scoring and try to do what he knows he can to help the team, be physical grind things out.

McLellan on the other hand will re-arrange the entire team for months to let Lucic embarrass himself as everyone tries to get him a goal.


I want to know who the player was that Hitch kept forgetting the name and didn't move till they found a nickname that stuck..


Probably Drake. Even I still call him Caligula.

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It was all Neptune's fault?


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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 00:30

Probably Drake. Even I still call him Caligula.


I just put his name together and pronounce it "Dracula".




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WhoreableGuy wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 11:14

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 00:30

Probably Drake. Even I still call him Caligula.


I just put his name together and pronounce it "Dracula".




That could very well be the greatest NHL nickname ever. I mean it's no Drakey or Caggiuler, but pretty solid!



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...a few random thoughts on Tuesday night's game in San Jose....

...Martin Jones was outplayed by Koskinen....don't expect that to happen often, but Koskinen deserved to be one of the three stars...

...the Oilers never were ahead in the game until the overtime winner [not a big fan of Kevin Quinn, but it's great when he screams (insert Oiler player name here) ovvvvvertimmme winnner!!!!....]

....pretty happy with the tenacity Oilers showed....San Jose is a fine team and had the home crowd behind them all the way, but the Oilers played a pretty good road game all the way through...not all that pretty and the D made several questionable decisions, but they got the job done- eventually....

...the Oiler defense needs a tuneup...need to be more effective overall, especially in their own zone...I think a look at someone down in Bakersfield or a waiver claim for a D might be needed.....don't like the idea of rushing guys with so much potential like Bear and Jones, but I do hope they both get a shot with the Oilers sometime this season...hate to pick on Benning, but he has gone stale....wish something could be done to bring him back to being the player that showed so much promise a couple of years ago...

...still think Hitchcock is long past his best before date, but gotta hand it to him...he gets right in there and starts doing things....

...don't think McDavid will feel stifled by Hitchcock's systems....Hitch said he's going to try to take some of the pressure off of McDavid's shoulders, and I believe that will benefit the team and McDavid....

...not positive, but I don't think we are going to see Draisaitl driving that second line...he seems more comfortable and effective on the first line with McDavid, and Nugent-Hopkins seems capable of leading a second line...

....can't wait until Black Friday...afternoon game for the Oilers, US college football rivalries, Grey Cup festivities in full swing in Edmonton....

...Happy Thanksgiving to the Americans who post and visit Oilfans....





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Mike wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 08:21

WhoreableGuy wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 11:14

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 00:30

Probably Drake. Even I still call him Caligula.


I just put his name together and pronounce it "Dracula".




That could very well be the greatest NHL nickname ever. I mean it's no Drakey or Caggiuler, but pretty solid!



....the 1924-25 Boston Bruins had a few doozies...I never had a chance to see them play, but wish I had seen Emory "Spunk" Sparrow helping his goalie Howard "Holes" Lockhart.... and a couple of guys named "Heck"....

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If Benning can't improve under Hitch, he just needs to be let go.


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Ragnarok73 wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 23:53

If Benning can't improve under Hitch, he just needs to be let go.


Benning is a mess. Another awful game, falling down, losing his stick, and man, weak board work. Skating is abysmal, weirdest stride, feet go out instead of back, like he's skating in quick-sand. Boy is playing himself a trip to the AHL.

Gravel on the other hand is impressing me, as far as I'm concerned he's better than Benning.

oh almost forgot ... that's right folks its ..MOGA ! Time!!

Good work Hitch!!!



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Ugh... I don't know what the deal is with Matt... he looked like a legit up and comer, and something has gone completely sideways in his game and head. He just doesn't look like he's NHL calibre anymore.


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HamBlaster wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 09:08

Ugh... I don't know what the deal is with Matt... he looked like a legit up and comer, and something has gone completely sideways in his game and head. He just doesn't look like he's NHL calibre anymore.


Matt Benning? Matt Henderson?



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I wasn't sure what to expect for this game. When the Sharks scored the first minute in, I had a bad feeling about the game. It was a classic example of what has been wrong with the Oilers last season and parts of this season. Lose a faceoff in your own zone, hard shot from the point, goalie lets out a bad rebound. The entire team is standing there watching everything happen. One the Oilers supposed best dmen - Nurse - literally watches the forward skate by him and fire it into the goal.

BUT

They didn't wilt like usual. They pushed back. They score the equalizer. Thornton makes a great play to set up the second goal but overall they played the Sharks not too bad the first period. Second period comes, on the PK which their Pk was pretty darn good, they go down and score a shortie. A massive goal, a goal that says to the Sharks we ain't going to lay down. Koskinen settles in and does what any team needs, makes some big saves and keeps his team in it. I was worried that the Sharks 3rd goal would cause them to crumble. Last in the period, one of their better dmen gets walked. But it didn't. They pushed back. Got the equalizer, Koskinen kept making big saves. Once it got to OT, I would pick the Oilers almost every time with McDavid and Leon as the duo.

So big win. In general, I think a lot of players played pretty well. I love the fact that Hitch said it took about 4 shifts before he was grinding on the guys. GOOD. They need it. The roster still has holes but the players on the team need a kick in the ass and if they play hard and get reasonably goaltending they CAN compete.

I would start Koskinen next game and if he plays decent, start him again. The team needs wins and right now he gives them the best chance to win.



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Not sure why I felt this win was a loss, I was like oh they won, okay, next devoid of emotion. I just think this is Pat Quinn 2.0 and while they won I'm not sure who that team was. It's my feeling and I own it.. off base or not.


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I don't give a crap who coaches the team or how old he is, just win some bloody games. They had the nice, pat them on the back, supportive Dad figure in McLellan and they rewarded him by being crappy. Now the roster isn't good enough and McLellan made mistakes too but at the same time not many of the Oilers players played up to their potential other than McDavid. So there is plenty of blame to go around. So maybe these guys need the crusty, blunt, tell it like it is, grandpa figure to get these guys going.

I heard a text from someone on the Nielsen show this morning and maybe there is something to it. Kids don't always listen or do what their parents say but they usually listen and do what their grand parents tell them. I have 2 boys and overall they are good, well behaved kids but at times, it's a struggle to get them to listen and do what they are supposed to. Yet when they are at their grandparents, they are perfect angels and are work their ass off doing whatever their grandparents ask.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 10:41


I heard a text from someone on the Nielsen show this morning and maybe there is something to it. Kids don't always listen or do what their parents say but they usually listen and do what their grand parents tell them.



I wrote that! No jokes.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 10:41

I don't give a crap who coaches the team or how old he is, just win some bloody games. They had the nice, pat them on the back, supportive Dad figure in McLellan and they rewarded him by being crappy. Now the roster isn't good enough and McLellan made mistakes too but at the same time not many of the Oilers players played up to their potential other than McDavid. So there is plenty of blame to go around. So maybe these guys need the crusty, blunt, tell it like it is, grandpa figure to get these guys going.

I heard a text from someone on the Nielsen show this morning and maybe there is something to it. Kids don't always listen or do what their parents say but they usually listen and do what their grand parents tell them. I have 2 boys and overall they are good, well behaved kids but at times, it's a struggle to get them to listen and do what they are supposed to. Yet when they are at their grandparents, they are perfect angels and are work their ass off doing whatever their grandparents ask.


Didn't watch the whole game but enough to see that as a team they actually looked like they knew what they were doing most of the time and their goaltender did a great job of keeping them in it when the sharks got hot. The grandfather analogy is a good one although I can't help but remember Mclellan throwing players under the bus in media interviews. Is that what supportive, caring Dad's do? It seemed that relationship had soured a lot and was one of the reasons he had to be replaced. Be interesting to see where this goes in the next few games. Hitchcock's record speaks for itself.



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overdue wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 13:34

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 10:41

I don't give a crap who coaches the team or how old he is, just win some bloody games. They had the nice, pat them on the back, supportive Dad figure in McLellan and they rewarded him by being crappy. Now the roster isn't good enough and McLellan made mistakes too but at the same time not many of the Oilers players played up to their potential other than McDavid. So there is plenty of blame to go around. So maybe these guys need the crusty, blunt, tell it like it is, grandpa figure to get these guys going.

I heard a text from someone on the Nielsen show this morning and maybe there is something to it. Kids don't always listen or do what their parents say but they usually listen and do what their grand parents tell them. I have 2 boys and overall they are good, well behaved kids but at times, it's a struggle to get them to listen and do what they are supposed to. Yet when they are at their grandparents, they are perfect angels and are work their ass off doing whatever their grandparents ask.


Didn't watch the whole game but enough to see that as a team they actually looked like they knew what they were doing most of the time and their goaltender did a great job of keeping them in it when the sharks got hot. The grandfather analogy is a good one although I can't help but remember Mclellan throwing players under the bus in media interviews. Is that what supportive, caring Dad's do? It seemed that relationship had soured a lot and was one of the reasons he had to be replaced. Be interesting to see where this goes in the next few games. Hitchcock's record speaks for itself.



This was the text I sent in:

Not a big Hitchcock fan, but it's an interesting opportunity to have a successful coach for a short term. Also, with the jolt that a coaching change provides/causes, a more hard nosed coach might be able to catch a wave of performance pressure and nurture it into a culture improvement.

Also, the idea that being older means you can't relate to the young is lazy analysis. It's an understanding of personalities and psychology that makes a person capable of relating to a given audience.

It's a common phenomenon that a child can relate more freely to grandparents than parents, because grandparents have better capacity to understand a child than a parent. It's not necessarily about relating, but understanding.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 10:41

I don't give a crap who coaches the team or how old he is, just win some bloody games. They had the nice, pat them on the back, supportive Dad figure in McLellan and they rewarded him by being crappy. Now the roster isn't good enough and McLellan made mistakes too but at the same time not many of the Oilers players played up to their potential other than McDavid. So there is plenty of blame to go around. So maybe these guys need the crusty, blunt, tell it like it is, grandpa figure to get these guys going.

I heard a text from someone on the Nielsen show this morning and maybe there is something to it. Kids don't always listen or do what their parents say but they usually listen and do what their grand parents tell them. I have 2 boys and overall they are good, well behaved kids but at times, it's a struggle to get them to listen and do what they are supposed to. Yet when they are at their grandparents, they are perfect angels and are work their ass off doing whatever their grandparents ask.


Didn't watch the whole game but enough to see that as a team they actually looked like they knew what they were doing most of the time and their goaltender did a great job of keeping them in it when the sharks got hot. The grandfather analogy is a good one although I can't help but remember Mclellan throwing players under the bus in media interviews. Is that what supportive, caring Dad's do? It seemed that relationship had soured a lot and was one of the reasons he had to be replaced. Be interesting to see where this goes in the next few games. Hitchcock's record speaks for itself.



I think McLellan may have been dad to guys like McDavid, Drai, Lucic, Nuge, and I guess Letestu and guys that were true believers in everything he was selling. But, he did throw other guys under the bus a lot. He pretty much told Schultz to get the hell off the team in his interview after a game. I wonder if he really did confront players that much personally, maybe he didn't. Maybe the media stuff was actually how he talked to them. Then there was practice and video time going over mistakes as a group, and woodcroft's custom mistakes videos for individuals, and if players couldn't learn all they need from that, then they might find themselves sitting out (unless they were Lucic, Letestu or whatever other favourites he had).

I didn't view him as a teacher really at all. He let his elite guys free wheel, he had system ideas that never really seemed to ever stick or be consistently used in an effective way with all the non-elite guys that he just hoped could tread water while the elite guys were resting. After 3+ years, I still don't feel our players were going out there looking like they knew what their job was, which to me is the real measure of a coach. You can lose games still with good coaching because of a lack of talent and ability to score, but at the least, your players should look like they know what the hell they're supposed to be doing.

Ah well. I guess we'll find out soon how coach-able this team really is. If these guys don't start all looking like they understand what their job is under this coach, I won't know what to think anymore.

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...the Blackhawks replaced Joel Quenneville with Jeremy Collition, who is younger than some of the guys he is coaching...Quenneville is 60, so I suppose he would fall somewhere between the fatherly and grandfatherly type...be interesting to see who has more success when the dust settles- Chicago or Edmonton...



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 14:45

overdue wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 13:34

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 10:41

I don't give a crap who coaches the team or how old he is, just win some bloody games. They had the nice, pat them on the back, supportive Dad figure in McLellan and they rewarded him by being crappy. Now the roster isn't good enough and McLellan made mistakes too but at the same time not many of the Oilers players played up to their potential other than McDavid. So there is plenty of blame to go around. So maybe these guys need the crusty, blunt, tell it like it is, grandpa figure to get these guys going.

I heard a text from someone on the Nielsen show this morning and maybe there is something to it. Kids don't always listen or do what their parents say but they usually listen and do what their grand parents tell them. I have 2 boys and overall they are good, well behaved kids but at times, it's a struggle to get them to listen and do what they are supposed to. Yet when they are at their grandparents, they are perfect angels and are work their ass off doing whatever their grandparents ask.


Didn't watch the whole game but enough to see that as a team they actually looked like they knew what they were doing most of the time and their goaltender did a great job of keeping them in it when the sharks got hot. The grandfather analogy is a good one although I can't help but remember Mclellan throwing players under the bus in media interviews. Is that what supportive, caring Dad's do? It seemed that relationship had soured a lot and was one of the reasons he had to be replaced. Be interesting to see where this goes in the next few games. Hitchcock's record speaks for itself.



I think McLellan may have been dad to guys like McDavid, Drai, Lucic, Nuge, and I guess Letestu and guys that were true believers in everything he was selling. But, he did throw other guys under the bus a lot. He pretty much told Schultz to get the hell off the team in his interview after a game. I wonder if he really did confront players that much personally, maybe he didn't. Maybe the media stuff was actually how he talked to them. Then there was practice and video time going over mistakes as a group, and woodcroft's custom mistakes videos for individuals, and if players couldn't learn all they need from that, then they might find themselves sitting out (unless they were Lucic, Letestu or whatever other favourites he had).

I didn't view him as a teacher really at all. He let his elite guys free wheel, he had system ideas that never really seemed to ever stick or be consistently used in an effective way with all the non-elite guys that he just hoped could tread water while the elite guys were resting. After 3+ years, I still don't feel our players were going out there looking like they knew what their job was, which to me is the real measure of a coach. You can lose games still with good coaching because of a lack of talent and ability to score, but at the least, your players should look like they know what the hell they're supposed to be doing.

Ah well. I guess we'll find out soon how coach-able this team really is. If these guys don't start all looking like they understand what their job is under this coach, I won't know what to think anymore.

I can agree that it looks like McLellen wasn't able to be a good enough teacher for these young guys. You kept seeing a lot of the young guys doing the same mistake year after year. One thing I will say, is Hitch seems to be a good teacher because he is known for structure and making your teams overall defense better. Every team he has went too, their goals against dropped a lot. So maybe if Hitch can come in, teach some structure to these guys including McDavid, the guy that takes over next year will have a much better collection of hockey players.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 16:11

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 14:45

overdue wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 13:34

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 10:41

I don't give a crap who coaches the team or how old he is, just win some bloody games. They had the nice, pat them on the back, supportive Dad figure in McLellan and they rewarded him by being crappy. Now the roster isn't good enough and McLellan made mistakes too but at the same time not many of the Oilers players played up to their potential other than McDavid. So there is plenty of blame to go around. So maybe these guys need the crusty, blunt, tell it like it is, grandpa figure to get these guys going.

I heard a text from someone on the Nielsen show this morning and maybe there is something to it. Kids don't always listen or do what their parents say but they usually listen and do what their grand parents tell them. I have 2 boys and overall they are good, well behaved kids but at times, it's a struggle to get them to listen and do what they are supposed to. Yet when they are at their grandparents, they are perfect angels and are work their ass off doing whatever their grandparents ask.


Didn't watch the whole game but enough to see that as a team they actually looked like they knew what they were doing most of the time and their goaltender did a great job of keeping them in it when the sharks got hot. The grandfather analogy is a good one although I can't help but remember Mclellan throwing players under the bus in media interviews. Is that what supportive, caring Dad's do? It seemed that relationship had soured a lot and was one of the reasons he had to be replaced. Be interesting to see where this goes in the next few games. Hitchcock's record speaks for itself.



I think McLellan may have been dad to guys like McDavid, Drai, Lucic, Nuge, and I guess Letestu and guys that were true believers in everything he was selling. But, he did throw other guys under the bus a lot. He pretty much told Schultz to get the hell off the team in his interview after a game. I wonder if he really did confront players that much personally, maybe he didn't. Maybe the media stuff was actually how he talked to them. Then there was practice and video time going over mistakes as a group, and woodcroft's custom mistakes videos for individuals, and if players couldn't learn all they need from that, then they might find themselves sitting out (unless they were Lucic, Letestu or whatever other favourites he had).

I didn't view him as a teacher really at all. He let his elite guys free wheel, he had system ideas that never really seemed to ever stick or be consistently used in an effective way with all the non-elite guys that he just hoped could tread water while the elite guys were resting. After 3+ years, I still don't feel our players were going out there looking like they knew what their job was, which to me is the real measure of a coach. You can lose games still with good coaching because of a lack of talent and ability to score, but at the least, your players should look like they know what the hell they're supposed to be doing.

Ah well. I guess we'll find out soon how coach-able this team really is. If these guys don't start all looking like they understand what their job is under this coach, I won't know what to think anymore.

I can agree that it looks like McLellen wasn't able to be a good enough teacher for these young guys. You kept seeing a lot of the young guys doing the same mistake year after year. One thing I will say, is Hitch seems to be a good teacher because he is known for structure and making your teams overall defense better. Every team he has went too, their goals against dropped a lot. So maybe if Hitch can come in, teach some structure to these guys including McDavid, the guy that takes over next year will have a much better collection of hockey players.


Probably 2 different approaches to teaching. From witnessing, seems like Todd was the kind of teacher that walks into the class, tosses stuff up on the board, and leaves. Next time you see him will be the exam (game time). And if you fail and aren't on his favourite list, you'll know with less ice time or you'll be watching next game.

Hitch seems to enjoy the 1 on 1 stuff a lot more, what we all hoped Eakins was going to do, what Krueger and Nelson actually did.

Some more hitch comments from today from Spector:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dsjz7QZU8AA3CE6.jpg:large

Think this is something we've seen from lots of players on this team. Cheating to the defensive side of the puck, playing scared. I never understood why Lucic is always bailing from the net. Wonder if Hitch is actually going to get him to screen goalies properly haha.



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......it's a CBA-mandated day off (Wednesday) for the Oilers in California, but that didn't stop Hitchcock from expressing what he has observed about his new team, and setting up some action plans to bring the team together....he's brutally honest....and his assessments are similar to what we have been discussing here for years...I see some intense head-butting between Hitchcock and some elements of the old-boys network....can't wait for the sparks to start flying....almost surprising this interview is on the Oiler website...

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/talking-points-hitchcock-spe aks-at-length-with-the-media/c-302166466


...still can't see him hanging around the Oilers beyond the end of the season....Hitchcock seems to have no interest in being a consultant or an advisor....guys like Rennie, Krueger, and Nelson had the rug yanked out from under them by the old boys club before they had a chance to complete the job...hope Hitchcock can get the job done fast and not leave a lot of loose ends....




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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 15:30

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 16:11

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 14:45

overdue wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 13:34

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 10:41

I don't give a crap who coaches the team or how old he is, just win some bloody games. They had the nice, pat them on the back, supportive Dad figure in McLellan and they rewarded him by being crappy. Now the roster isn't good enough and McLellan made mistakes too but at the same time not many of the Oilers players played up to their potential other than McDavid. So there is plenty of blame to go around. So maybe these guys need the crusty, blunt, tell it like it is, grandpa figure to get these guys going.

I heard a text from someone on the Nielsen show this morning and maybe there is something to it. Kids don't always listen or do what their parents say but they usually listen and do what their grand parents tell them. I have 2 boys and overall they are good, well behaved kids but at times, it's a struggle to get them to listen and do what they are supposed to. Yet when they are at their grandparents, they are perfect angels and are work their ass off doing whatever their grandparents ask.


Didn't watch the whole game but enough to see that as a team they actually looked like they knew what they were doing most of the time and their goaltender did a great job of keeping them in it when the sharks got hot. The grandfather analogy is a good one although I can't help but remember Mclellan throwing players under the bus in media interviews. Is that what supportive, caring Dad's do? It seemed that relationship had soured a lot and was one of the reasons he had to be replaced. Be interesting to see where this goes in the next few games. Hitchcock's record speaks for itself.



I think McLellan may have been dad to guys like McDavid, Drai, Lucic, Nuge, and I guess Letestu and guys that were true believers in everything he was selling. But, he did throw other guys under the bus a lot. He pretty much told Schultz to get the hell off the team in his interview after a game. I wonder if he really did confront players that much personally, maybe he didn't. Maybe the media stuff was actually how he talked to them. Then there was practice and video time going over mistakes as a group, and woodcroft's custom mistakes videos for individuals, and if players couldn't learn all they need from that, then they might find themselves sitting out (unless they were Lucic, Letestu or whatever other favourites he had).

I didn't view him as a teacher really at all. He let his elite guys free wheel, he had system ideas that never really seemed to ever stick or be consistently used in an effective way with all the non-elite guys that he just hoped could tread water while the elite guys were resting. After 3+ years, I still don't feel our players were going out there looking like they knew what their job was, which to me is the real measure of a coach. You can lose games still with good coaching because of a lack of talent and ability to score, but at the least, your players should look like they know what the hell they're supposed to be doing.

Ah well. I guess we'll find out soon how coach-able this team really is. If these guys don't start all looking like they understand what their job is under this coach, I won't know what to think anymore.

I can agree that it looks like McLellen wasn't able to be a good enough teacher for these young guys. You kept seeing a lot of the young guys doing the same mistake year after year. One thing I will say, is Hitch seems to be a good teacher because he is known for structure and making your teams overall defense better. Every team he has went too, their goals against dropped a lot. So maybe if Hitch can come in, teach some structure to these guys including McDavid, the guy that takes over next year will have a much better collection of hockey players.


Probably 2 different approaches to teaching. From witnessing, seems like Todd was the kind of teacher that walks into the class, tosses stuff up on the board, and leaves. Next time you see him will be the exam (game time). And if you fail and aren't on his favourite list, you'll know with less ice time or you'll be watching next game.

Hitch seems to enjoy the 1 on 1 stuff a lot more, what we all hoped Eakins was going to do, what Krueger and Nelson actually did.

Some more hitch comments from today from Spector:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dsjz7QZU8AA3CE6.jpg:large

Think this is something we've seen from lots of players on this team. Cheating to the defensive side of the puck, playing scared. I never understood why Lucic is always bailing from the net. Wonder if Hitch is actually going to get him to screen goalies properly haha.


Totally agree about the teaching aspect. I saw more heart out of this team last night, more battle from the middling players then I have in the past 2 years. Todd was tuned out. Great players will play great regardless of the system or coach. Thats what sets them apart. Good players need the structure and the direction. Todd could not provide that. Anyone who argues that, please put your arguments forward. He had favourites and it was evident. Much less of a team system. It seemed like it was Connor, Leon and Milan and then everyone else. Despite what a lot of people say, I think we have more talented players then are given credit, they have lacked structure and an actual system. Under Todd it was get the puck to Connor then scramble around until you can change. The fact that Hitchcock has already started a 'heavy', 'identity' line speaks volumes. Much less square peg in a round hole approach then Todd showed. This team came back from goal deficits more then once and personally I'd attribute that to simply asking players to play to their strengths. The Lucic line played the best as a group and as individuals that I've sen in a long time. They hemmed the Sharks in their zone and for the first time in a long time, another team was playing scared of the Oilers with the exception of Connor. It was a very refreshing and welcomed sight.

I'm not going to absolve Pistol Pete of his own ineptitude in managing the roster or the OBC for their constant back patting and smugness about the 'solution', because the upper management has shackled some very good and one great player with a roster that is not up to par.

They key here for me is that without a practice and only a couple hours of face time, Hitchcock has managed to slot some players into appropriate roles, inject some structure into a nebulous group and get players to believe in themselves. It remains to be seen if they buy in long term, but what I saw impressed me like no other game this season. It reminds me of some late 90's and early 2000's teams that had so little collective talent outside of Weight and Guerin, but still made the playoffs because they everyone played a role and bought in.

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 16:30

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 16:11

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 14:45

overdue wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 13:34

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 10:41

I don't give a crap who coaches the team or how old he is, just win some bloody games. They had the nice, pat them on the back, supportive Dad figure in McLellan and they rewarded him by being crappy. Now the roster isn't good enough and McLellan made mistakes too but at the same time not many of the Oilers players played up to their potential other than McDavid. So there is plenty of blame to go around. So maybe these guys need the crusty, blunt, tell it like it is, grandpa figure to get these guys going.

I heard a text from someone on the Nielsen show this morning and maybe there is something to it. Kids don't always listen or do what their parents say but they usually listen and do what their grand parents tell them. I have 2 boys and overall they are good, well behaved kids but at times, it's a struggle to get them to listen and do what they are supposed to. Yet when they are at their grandparents, they are perfect angels and are work their ass off doing whatever their grandparents ask.


Didn't watch the whole game but enough to see that as a team they actually looked like they knew what they were doing most of the time and their goaltender did a great job of keeping them in it when the sharks got hot. The grandfather analogy is a good one although I can't help but remember Mclellan throwing players under the bus in media interviews. Is that what supportive, caring Dad's do? It seemed that relationship had soured a lot and was one of the reasons he had to be replaced. Be interesting to see where this goes in the next few games. Hitchcock's record speaks for itself.



I think McLellan may have been dad to guys like McDavid, Drai, Lucic, Nuge, and I guess Letestu and guys that were true believers in everything he was selling. But, he did throw other guys under the bus a lot. He pretty much told Schultz to get the hell off the team in his interview after a game. I wonder if he really did confront players that much personally, maybe he didn't. Maybe the media stuff was actually how he talked to them. Then there was practice and video time going over mistakes as a group, and woodcroft's custom mistakes videos for individuals, and if players couldn't learn all they need from that, then they might find themselves sitting out (unless they were Lucic, Letestu or whatever other favourites he had).

I didn't view him as a teacher really at all. He let his elite guys free wheel, he had system ideas that never really seemed to ever stick or be consistently used in an effective way with all the non-elite guys that he just hoped could tread water while the elite guys were resting. After 3+ years, I still don't feel our players were going out there looking like they knew what their job was, which to me is the real measure of a coach. You can lose games still with good coaching because of a lack of talent and ability to score, but at the least, your players should look like they know what the hell they're supposed to be doing.

Ah well. I guess we'll find out soon how coach-able this team really is. If these guys don't start all looking like they understand what their job is under this coach, I won't know what to think anymore.

I can agree that it looks like McLellen wasn't able to be a good enough teacher for these young guys. You kept seeing a lot of the young guys doing the same mistake year after year. One thing I will say, is Hitch seems to be a good teacher because he is known for structure and making your teams overall defense better. Every team he has went too, their goals against dropped a lot. So maybe if Hitch can come in, teach some structure to these guys including McDavid, the guy that takes over next year will have a much better collection of hockey players.


Probably 2 different approaches to teaching. From witnessing, seems like Todd was the kind of teacher that walks into the class, tosses stuff up on the board, and leaves. Next time you see him will be the exam (game time). And if you fail and aren't on his favourite list, you'll know with less ice time or you'll be watching next game.

Hitch seems to enjoy the 1 on 1 stuff a lot more, what we all hoped Eakins was going to do, what Krueger and Nelson actually did.

Some more hitch comments from today from Spector:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dsjz7QZU8AA3CE6.jpg:large

Think this is something we've seen from lots of players on this team. Cheating to the defensive side of the puck, playing scared. I never understood why Lucic is always bailing from the net. Wonder if Hitch is actually going to get him to screen goalies properly haha.


I don't think Hitch is a long term solution for the Oilers. The fact that he is only signed until the end of the season says that as well. But one of the things that could be a real positive with this situation is Hitch really has nothing to lose or worry about. He doesn't have to make friends with any of the players. He doesn't have to worry about long term relationships. He's just coaching for this season and to do as well as he possibly can. So if he has to get in a guys face and piss him off a little to make him do the right thing finally, he can do it. If he has to grind on these guys a little harder to get them to finish a play properly instead of only doing 3/4, to not cheat for offense like they all still do, to do push a little harder, grind in the corner that extra bit to win a puck battle, battling a little harder to get a puck out, change lines at the proper time (looking at you Puljujarvi) or what should be soooo simple but get a bloody puck in deep when you are supposed too, he can do all that with no worry on the future relationship. I am thinking about the Couture goal where Klefbom has the puck and he doesn't get it in deep like he is supposed too on a line change and 15 seconds later, it's in the net. All those little things that the Oilers younger guys, McDavid included at times, don't do all the time that make ALL the difference in a game.

McLellan was supposed to be more of a players coach. I am sure he wanted and tried to get all his players to do all the little things they were supposed too including some of the things I listed but he probably didn't grind on the players or rip a strip off them when they don't do it like Hitch will. They tried the nice guy for a while and he got the players probably 3/4 of the way, it might be time to bring in the task master to get that critical last 1/4 that McLellan couldn't get.

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