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This seems like exactly the sort of player Chiarelli likes to acquire.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=145014

Look at these stat lines:

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4 games of NHL experience too!


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We've picked over the 2012 and 2011 drafts for under-performing picks, so maybe it does make sense to move to 2014 now. No one in the single digits flamed out in 2013, but there's several candidates in 2014!


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For Pulju, Benning and a 2nd round pick?


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And automatically assume he'll put up 60 pts since he was drafted 5th overall!


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I think you have to offer a no move clause as well.


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And with every radio host in Edmonton talking about trading JP because he's not succeeding in Todd's system I guess we know what is going the other way.




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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 25 October 2018 12:57

And with every radio host in Edmonton talking about trading JP because he's not succeeding in Todd's system I guess we know what is going the other way.




Getting hosed by the Islanders on a deal for a young player? Yeah, that definitely checks out.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 25 October 2018 17:01

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 25 October 2018 12:57

And with every radio host in Edmonton talking about trading JP because he's not succeeding in Todd's system I guess we know what is going the other way.




Getting hosed by the Islanders on a deal for a young player? Yeah, that definitely checks out.


Snow got fired at least. Maybe it's too intimidating to deal with Lou. He's not popular like Chia...



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Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Oilers organization is on a full court press to find help at forward. Scouts and staff deployed en masse.

Cap situation could make it tough, but first round pick, a goaltender, maybe a young developing forward likely all in play.


I'm scared..



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 11:25

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Oilers organization is on a full court press to find help at forward. Scouts and staff deployed en masse.

Cap situation could make it tough, but first round pick, a goaltender, maybe a young developing forward likely all in play.


I'm scared..

This is fine.



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Nuge for an AHL plug, straight up. That would be Chia's style and the perfect exclamation point on his career here.


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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 12:34

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 11:25

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Oilers organization is on a full court press to find help at forward. Scouts and staff deployed en masse.

Cap situation could make it tough, but first round pick, a goaltender, maybe a young developing forward likely all in play.


I'm scared..

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 12:25

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Oilers organization is on a full court press to find help at forward. Scouts and staff deployed en masse.

Cap situation could make it tough, but first round pick, a goaltender, maybe a young developing forward likely all in play.


I'm scared..

Ah. I had posted this in the ‘Playoffs save chia’ thread. My bad.

Interesting to see if the young forward mentioned is JP or Yams. AND I’d imagine if they move a goalie it would be Talbot. More $$$$ but believe he’s more sought after than Koskinen.

Truly believe that there could be a good deal with Carolina that sees Ferland and Hamilton come to Edmonton.

Though, crazy that Chiarelli was claiming he had to shore up the D with those latest trades and is now full force going after a forward.



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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 11:43

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 12:25

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Oilers organization is on a full court press to find help at forward. Scouts and staff deployed en masse.

Cap situation could make it tough, but first round pick, a goaltender, maybe a young developing forward likely all in play.


I'm scared..

Ah. I had posted this in the ‘Playoffs save chia’ thread. My bad.

Interesting to see if the young forward mentioned is JP or Yams. AND I’d imagine if they move a goalie it would be Talbot. More $$$$ but believe he’s more sought after than Koskinen.

Truly believe that there could be a good deal with Carolina that sees Ferland and Hamilton come to Edmonton.

Though, crazy that Chiarelli was claiming he had to shore up the D with those latest trades and is now full force going after a forward.


I'm thinking someone like Pulju and a 1st for Erikson Ek. Erikson Ek isn't sexy of course, but he may have hidden offensive potential. His possible potential that Chia insists is there makes it cost the extra 1st round pick.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 12:56

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 11:43

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 12:25

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Oilers organization is on a full court press to find help at forward. Scouts and staff deployed en masse.

Cap situation could make it tough, but first round pick, a goaltender, maybe a young developing forward likely all in play.


I'm scared..

Ah. I had posted this in the ‘Playoffs save chia’ thread. My bad.

Interesting to see if the young forward mentioned is JP or Yams. AND I’d imagine if they move a goalie it would be Talbot. More $$$$ but believe he’s more sought after than Koskinen.

Truly believe that there could be a good deal with Carolina that sees Ferland and Hamilton come to Edmonton.

Though, crazy that Chiarelli was claiming he had to shore up the D with those latest trades and is now full force going after a forward.


I'm thinking someone like Pulju and a 1st for Erikson Ek. Erikson Ek isn't sexy of course, but he may have hidden offensive potential. His possible potential that Chia insists is there makes it cost the extra 1st round pick.


I’ve thought for a bit now, still do, that Carolina would be a great trade partner for us to address both the forward group and the d. I know Ferland is UFA at the end of the year, but I think he’d be a solid add to our top 6, and despite what some say about Hamilton’s personality or whatever, I’d take him in a heart beat if possible. They also have 2 goalies, cheaper than ours, also on the final deal of their current contracts. Maybe something could be worked like this;

Talbot(4.166), JP(.925) , Spooner(3.1) and the 2019 1 (8.191M total)
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Hamilton(5.75), Ferland (1.75) and McElhinney(.850) (8.35M total)



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 11:56

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 11:43

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 12:25

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Oilers organization is on a full court press to find help at forward. Scouts and staff deployed en masse.

Cap situation could make it tough, but first round pick, a goaltender, maybe a young developing forward likely all in play.


I'm scared..

Ah. I had posted this in the ‘Playoffs save chia’ thread. My bad.

Interesting to see if the young forward mentioned is JP or Yams. AND I’d imagine if they move a goalie it would be Talbot. More $$$$ but believe he’s more sought after than Koskinen.

Truly believe that there could be a good deal with Carolina that sees Ferland and Hamilton come to Edmonton.

Though, crazy that Chiarelli was claiming he had to shore up the D with those latest trades and is now full force going after a forward.


I'm thinking someone like Pulju and a 1st for Erikson Ek. Erikson Ek isn't sexy of course, but he may have hidden offensive potential. His possible potential that Chia insists is there makes it cost the extra 1st round pick.


The other great thing about this is that it gives the Oilers more ammo to say that's who they REALLY wanted with the pick that they gave up for Reinhart. The Oilers do love to acquire the guys they once coveted years later too...



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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 11:43

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 12:25

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Oilers organization is on a full court press to find help at forward. Scouts and staff deployed en masse.

Cap situation could make it tough, but first round pick, a goaltender, maybe a young developing forward likely all in play.


I'm scared..

Ah. I had posted this in the ‘Playoffs save chia’ thread. My bad.

Interesting to see if the young forward mentioned is JP or Yams. AND I’d imagine if they move a goalie it would be Talbot. More $$$$ but believe he’s more sought after than Koskinen.

Truly believe that there could be a good deal with Carolina that sees Ferland and Hamilton come to Edmonton.

Though, crazy that Chiarelli was claiming he had to shore up the D with those latest trades and is now full force going after a forward.


Koskinen has a no-trade clause, so unless they're convincing him it's a move up, he's probably not the target. Both goalies being UFAs means the value attached to them is pretty limited. It's not like there's a lot of playoff teams who don't have at least one quality goalie.

That said, I guess we did get Tom Gilbert for the shell of Tommy Salo once upon a time, so anything is possible.

This sort of tweet scares me. I don't think we have the right person in place to be dealing young developing forwards or first round picks...

Not to mention, the fact the organization is putting it out there that they're scrambling the troops here is laughably bad. They should always be out scouting - not in a mad panic just ahead of a trade. They shouldn't be signalling desperation to other teams (although Pete Chiarelli stammering his way through a trade call probably does that every time anyhow). You wonder if the team has a wish list or a firm ask from the market or if they are doing anything beyond calling teams and saying - "Hey, Pete here. What would you give me for Puljujarvi, Talbot and a first? I'm really thinking first line...err... or maybe second line forward of some sort?"



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Adam wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 12:17

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 11:43

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 12:25

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Oilers organization is on a full court press to find help at forward. Scouts and staff deployed en masse.

Cap situation could make it tough, but first round pick, a goaltender, maybe a young developing forward likely all in play.


I'm scared..

Ah. I had posted this in the ‘Playoffs save chia’ thread. My bad.

Interesting to see if the young forward mentioned is JP or Yams. AND I’d imagine if they move a goalie it would be Talbot. More $$$$ but believe he’s more sought after than Koskinen.

Truly believe that there could be a good deal with Carolina that sees Ferland and Hamilton come to Edmonton.

Though, crazy that Chiarelli was claiming he had to shore up the D with those latest trades and is now full force going after a forward.


Koskinen has a no-trade clause, so unless they're convincing him it's a move up, he's probably not the target. Both goalies being UFAs means the value attached to them is pretty limited. It's not like there's a lot of playoff teams who don't have at least one quality goalie.

That said, I guess we did get Tom Gilbert for the shell of Tommy Salo once upon a time, so anything is possible.

This sort of tweet scares me. I don't think we have the right person in place to be dealing young developing forwards or first round picks...

Not to mention, the fact the organization is putting it out there that they're scrambling the troops here is laughably bad. They should always be out scouting - not in a mad panic just ahead of a trade. They shouldn't be signalling desperation to other teams (although Pete Chiarelli stammering his way through a trade call probably does that every time anyhow). You wonder if the team has a wish list or a firm ask from the market or if they are doing anything beyond calling teams and saying - "Hey, Pete here. What would you give me for Puljujarvi, Talbot and a first? I'm really thinking first line...err... or maybe second line forward of some sort?"

I have to think that the No Move is more so Koskinen can't be sent down to the AHL. He was a high end starter in the KHL, going to the AHL is a step down. So if the Oilers had a trade and came to him and said "this team needs goaltending help so you will play" vs staying in Edmonton and splitting time, I have a hard time believing he'd say no. He wants to get another NHL contract.



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I have to think that the No Move is more so Koskinen can't be sent down to the AHL. He was a high end starter in the KHL, going to the AHL is a step down. So if the Oilers had a trade and came to him and said "this team needs goaltending help so you will play" vs staying in Edmonton and splitting time, I have a hard time believing he'd say no. He wants to get another NHL contract.


A playoff-bound team is not likely to come offering the Oilers a top-six forward. Those teams will need those types of players for the playoffs. That means that the Oilers are more likely browsing the cupboards of those teams who are not in a playoff race. Those guys are less likely to need a goalie, especially a UFA goalie, unless it's to even out the money. And for Koskinen, who has a no-move clause there's no real benefit to going to another team that also sits out of a playoff spot. His year ends in April either way, and he'll have to win over another coaching staff.

The good news for Koskinen is that other teams don't seem to trust in the results that are generated by Oilers netminders. Most of them get another shot. Nilsson is still in the NHL, Brossoit latched on with Winnipeg. Dubnyk became a great bounceback story. Koskinen's numbers are good enough that he's going to get a contract with someone else after this season, so why move unless you're going to a contender?

I don't think anyone really wants to move for a 2- to 3-month job. It means living out of a hotel, while in a spot that you are unlikely to ever truly feel like part of the team since everyone knows you're likely gone at year's end.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 11:25

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Oilers organization is on a full court press to find help at forward. Scouts and staff deployed en masse.

Cap situation could make it tough, but first round pick, a goaltender, maybe a young developing forward likely all in play.


I'm scared..


I wonder what's coming back?

I hear Drake Caggiula scores at a decent clip!
Maybe Benoit Pouliot? He's got 14 goals this year.



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Magnum wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 12:30

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 11:25

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Oilers organization is on a full court press to find help at forward. Scouts and staff deployed en masse.

Cap situation could make it tough, but first round pick, a goaltender, maybe a young developing forward likely all in play.


I'm scared..


I wonder what's coming back?

I hear Drake Caggiula scores at a decent clip!
Maybe Benoit Pouliot? He's got 14 goals this year.


Aberg, Strome.

It was pretty hit and miss before if a guy would do better after leaving this team, but it has turned oddly consistently lately.



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Interestingly, Leslie and Ryan are pretty close in the scoring race this year. At least in terms of goals.


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I spoke to an NHL scout & he suggested the following.....

Tarasenko ($7.5 Million) + Maroon ($1.750 Million - $.750K retained), 2 contracts (AHL) & a 2019 3rd rd pick

for

JP($1 million), Samorukov, Spooner ($3.1 Million), Kassian ($1.95 Million), Benning ($1.9 Million) & 1st rd pick (lottery protected)

Oilers Cap hit = $ 8.25 Million Blues Cap Hit = $ 8 million

I find it a little interesting. Maroon can't skate well, but maybe he can finish some plays and poke a few in the back of then net? Tarasenko is 27 now and has cost certainty & has scored 30+ goals.

Oilers give up JP who may be a 2nd liner eventually? Samorukov looks like a heck of a prospect with size, skating and a big shot. He did really well in World Juniors. Then the 1st rd pick is a top 15 pick most likely. The rest (Spooner, Kassian & Benning) is to balance off the cap hit for Tarasenko.

So basically it is Tarasenko, a cheaper Maroon & 3rd pick
for
1st rd pick, JP & Samorukov

I think the Blues seriously consider something like this and the Oilers should too. I don't like giving up 1st rounders and good young talent, but getting Tarasenko would be big IMO. He has 4 more years at $7.5 million which would make him 32 when his contract is up. I can live with that. Samorukov is the big fish I would worry that got away.

I think I would do this type of trade. Do the Blues?

Thoughts?




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Jakey wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 13:38

I spoke to an NHL scout & he suggested the following.....

Tarasenko ($7.5 Million) + Maroon ($1.750 Million - $.750K retained), 2 contracts (AHL) & a 2019 3rd rd pick

for

JP($1 million), Samorukov, Spooner ($3.1 Million), Kassian ($1.95 Million), Benning ($1.9 Million) & 1st rd pick (lottery protected)

Oilers Cap hit = $ 8.25 Million Blues Cap Hit = $ 8 million

I find it a little interesting. Maroon can't skate well, but maybe he can finish some plays and poke a few in the back of then net? Tarasenko is 27 now and has cost certainty & has scored 30+ goals.

Oilers give up JP who may be a 2nd liner eventually? Samorukov looks like a heck of a prospect with size, skating and a big shot. He did really well in World Juniors. Then the 1st rd pick is a top 15 pick most likely. The rest (Spooner, Kassian & Benning) is to balance off the cap hit for Tarasenko.

So basically it is Tarasenko, a cheaper Maroon & 3rd pick
for
1st rd pick, JP & Samorukov

I think the Blues seriously consider something like this and the Oilers should too. I don't like giving up 1st rounders and good young talent, but getting Tarasenko would be big IMO. He has 4 more years at $7.5 million which would make him 32 when his contract is up. I can live with that. Samorukov is the big fish I would worry that got away.

I think I would do this type of trade. Do the Blues?

Thoughts?



That's a massive trade. You don't see a lot of trades that big anymore. So the Oilers are giving up JP who's at worst probably a top 9 forward, best case a real good, 2 way second liner for the next decade. Samoruko is 19 so probably 2-3 yrs before he's maybe cracking the NHL. He could be a, decent sized, good skating, puck moving dman with some offense. Probably top end is a second pairing guy. The wild card is the first rounder.

They are getting you hope is 30 goals for the next 4 seasons. Big price to pay.



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Jakey wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 13:38

I spoke to an NHL scout & he suggested the following.....

Tarasenko ($7.5 Million) + Maroon ($1.750 Million - $.750K retained), 2 contracts (AHL) & a 2019 3rd rd pick

for

JP($1 million), Samorukov, Spooner ($3.1 Million), Kassian ($1.95 Million), Benning ($1.9 Million) & 1st rd pick (lottery protected)

Oilers Cap hit = $ 8.25 Million Blues Cap Hit = $ 8 million

I find it a little interesting. Maroon can't skate well, but maybe he can finish some plays and poke a few in the back of then net? Tarasenko is 27 now and has cost certainty & has scored 30+ goals.

Oilers give up JP who may be a 2nd liner eventually? Samorukov looks like a heck of a prospect with size, skating and a big shot. He did really well in World Juniors. Then the 1st rd pick is a top 15 pick most likely. The rest (Spooner, Kassian & Benning) is to balance off the cap hit for Tarasenko.

So basically it is Tarasenko, a cheaper Maroon & 3rd pick
for
1st rd pick, JP & Samorukov

I think the Blues seriously consider something like this and the Oilers should too. I don't like giving up 1st rounders and good young talent, but getting Tarasenko would be big IMO. He has 4 more years at $7.5 million which would make him 32 when his contract is up. I can live with that. Samorukov is the big fish I would worry that got away.

I think I would do this type of trade. Do the Blues?

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I think I'd do the trade too. It's giving up a bunch of future maybes for a guy who's good now.

I might want to poke around a little and see if I could catch any wind of what's going wrong in St. Louis, but as long as there's no hidden red flags, that sounds like the kind of trade that you're more likely to win...



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Watch us go and give up something like Talbot/JP and the 1st for a declining Wayne Simmonds.


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Some Oiler-related trade speculation over at TSN; mostly a rehash of what has been discussed here and elsewhere ad nauseum.

https://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-tradecentre-who-s-in-play-in -edmonton-1.1241681

"Staples believes the Oilers could afford to part with either Cam Talbot or Mikko Koskinen in net and call up AHL netminder Shane Starrett to serve as the team's backup. He argues, however, that choosing the wrong goaltender to trade away could cost the team a playoff spot. Staples notes that Chiarelli has failed to improve the team's fortunes with two of his moves this season - trading Ryan Strome for Ryan Spooner and moving Drake Caggiula for Brandon Manning. However, he believes the Oilers should still try improve their club for a playoff run."

If the Oilers do get rid of a goalie, who pays for the NMC provisions that are in both contracts? Starrett is doing fairly well as a rookie in Bakersfield, but we all know how the transition to the NHL has gone for young goalies in the Oiler system. And, much as I realize very few, if any, of the young players in Bakersfield will ever have significant NHL careers, I'm still hoping the Oilers keep them in their control and see what happens.





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GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 15 January 2019 09:37

Some Oiler-related trade speculation over at TSN; mostly a rehash of what has been discussed here and elsewhere ad nauseum.

https://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-tradecentre-who-s-in-play-in -edmonton-1.1241681

"Staples believes the Oilers could afford to part with either Cam Talbot or Mikko Koskinen in net and call up AHL netminder Shane Starrett to serve as the team's backup. He argues, however, that choosing the wrong goaltender to trade away could cost the team a playoff spot. Staples notes that Chiarelli has failed to improve the team's fortunes with two of his moves this season - trading Ryan Strome for Ryan Spooner and moving Drake Caggiula for Brandon Manning. However, he believes the Oilers should still try improve their club for a playoff run."

If the Oilers do get rid of a goalie, who pays for the NMC provisions that are in both contracts? Starrett is doing fairly well as a rookie in Bakersfield, but we all know how the transition to the NHL has gone for young goalies in the Oiler system. And, much as I realize very few, if any, of the young players in Bakersfield will ever have significant NHL careers, I'm still hoping the Oilers keep them in their control and see what happens.




It’s a shame, as we finally appear to have 2 capable NHL goalies. Though if one of them is moved I believe it would be Talbot.



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 Re: Chia's next trade [message #727573 is a reply to message #727551 ]
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GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 15 January 2019 07:37

Some Oiler-related trade speculation over at TSN; mostly a rehash of what has been discussed here and elsewhere ad nauseum.

https://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-tradecentre-who-s-in-play-in -edmonton-1.1241681




What kind of circle jerk nonsense is that article? TSN is reporting on David Staples' regurgitation of a tweet from a TSN employee:

Quote:

TSN"s Ryan Rishaug set the rumour mill abuzz Monday when he reported that the Edmonton Oilers are "on a full court press to find help at forward."


Rishaug noted that while the team's salary cap situation will make adding to the roster difficult, the team could be willing to part with their "first-round pick, a goaltender, (and) maybe a young developing forward."

David Staples of The Edmonton Journal wrote Monday that he interprets Rishaug's report to mean that Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Benson, Cameron Hebig or even Jesse Puljujarvi could be on the move depending on the Oilers' return - in addition to one their NHL goaltenders and a first-round pick.


Also, great insight David. Must have a taken a lot of leg-work to google the Condors roster and filter by forwards to really dig deep on what Rishaug meant by "young forward".

I guess some people like reading it, but I find Staples practice of simply writing articles based on other people's tweets or articles and giving "his take", to be really annoying.



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Goose wrote on Tue, 15 January 2019 10:47

GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 15 January 2019 07:37

Some Oiler-related trade speculation over at TSN; mostly a rehash of what has been discussed here and elsewhere ad nauseum.

https://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-tradecentre-who-s-in-play-in -edmonton-1.1241681




What kind of circle jerk nonsense is that article? TSN is reporting on David Staples' regurgitation of a tweet from a TSN employee:

Quote:

TSN"s Ryan Rishaug set the rumour mill abuzz Monday when he reported that the Edmonton Oilers are "on a full court press to find help at forward."


Rishaug noted that while the team's salary cap situation will make adding to the roster difficult, the team could be willing to part with their "first-round pick, a goaltender, (and) maybe a young developing forward."

David Staples of The Edmonton Journal wrote Monday that he interprets Rishaug's report to mean that Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Benson, Cameron Hebig or even Jesse Puljujarvi could be on the move depending on the Oilers' return - in addition to one their NHL goaltenders and a first-round pick.


Also, great insight David. Must have a taken a lot of leg-work to google the Condors roster and filter by forwards to really dig deep on what Rishaug meant by "young forward".

I guess some people like reading it, but I find Staples practice of simply writing articles based on other people's tweets or articles and giving "his take", to be really annoying.


Doesn't help that his take is often inane.

Although at least it keeps him from embarrassing himself talking about school reform...



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Matty's wild arsed guesses:

Jim Matheson @NHLbyMatty
If Oilers are scouring for forwards who can give them some offence outside of Connor, Leon, RNH and Chiasson who have 81 goals, they're probably checking in C Derick Brassard, UFA ($3 mil) who hasn't panned out in Pitts. Other possibles: UFA's Zuccarello, Dzingel, Ferland


Dzingel would be good, but he's about to be UFA, like the others listed. Brassard is past it IMO.

All just short term solutions to save a season where there is really no way we're doing damage in the playoffs, even if we do fluke out and make it.

Don't like it, cause Chia premium suggests we give up our 1st round pick plus more this year for basically anyone.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 14:05

Matty's wild arsed guesses:

Jim Matheson @NHLbyMatty
If Oilers are scouring for forwards who can give them some offence outside of Connor, Leon, RNH and Chiasson who have 81 goals, they're probably checking in C Derick Brassard, UFA ($3 mil) who hasn't panned out in Pitts. Other possibles: UFA's Zuccarello, Dzingel, Ferland


Dzingel would be good, but he's about to be UFA, like the others listed. Brassard is past it IMO.

All just short term solutions to save a season where there is really no way we're doing damage in the playoffs, even if we do fluke out and make it.

Don't like it, cause Chia premium suggests we give up our 1st round pick plus more this year for basically anyone.

I don't see it happening but if the Oilers could trade Spooner and something for Brassard, I'd do that. They don't have a 3rd line center right now. Brassard is a UFA which is fine by me.

Dzingel would interest me and you could try to resign him as he should have some years left.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 15:19

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 14:05

Matty's wild arsed guesses:

Jim Matheson @NHLbyMatty
If Oilers are scouring for forwards who can give them some offence outside of Connor, Leon, RNH and Chiasson who have 81 goals, they're probably checking in C Derick Brassard, UFA ($3 mil) who hasn't panned out in Pitts. Other possibles: UFA's Zuccarello, Dzingel, Ferland


Dzingel would be good, but he's about to be UFA, like the others listed. Brassard is past it IMO.

All just short term solutions to save a season where there is really no way we're doing damage in the playoffs, even if we do fluke out and make it.

Don't like it, cause Chia premium suggests we give up our 1st round pick plus more this year for basically anyone.

I don't see it happening but if the Oilers could trade Spooner and something for Brassard, I'd do that. They don't have a 3rd line center right now. Brassard is a UFA which is fine by me.

Dzingel would interest me and you could try to resign him as he should have some years left.


Seconded. If you could do Spooner and a 5th, which becomes a 4th if Brassard re-ups with us then heck yea.



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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 14:23

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 15:19

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 14:05

Matty's wild arsed guesses:

Jim Matheson @NHLbyMatty
If Oilers are scouring for forwards who can give them some offence outside of Connor, Leon, RNH and Chiasson who have 81 goals, they're probably checking in C Derick Brassard, UFA ($3 mil) who hasn't panned out in Pitts. Other possibles: UFA's Zuccarello, Dzingel, Ferland


Dzingel would be good, but he's about to be UFA, like the others listed. Brassard is past it IMO.

All just short term solutions to save a season where there is really no way we're doing damage in the playoffs, even if we do fluke out and make it.

Don't like it, cause Chia premium suggests we give up our 1st round pick plus more this year for basically anyone.

I don't see it happening but if the Oilers could trade Spooner and something for Brassard, I'd do that. They don't have a 3rd line center right now. Brassard is a UFA which is fine by me.

Dzingel would interest me and you could try to resign him as he should have some years left.


Seconded. If you could do Spooner and a 5th, which becomes a 4th if Brassard re-ups with us then heck yea.

I wouldn't even bother resigning Brassard. I just want the 3.1 off the books that Spooner makes. The new GM can take that money and go find someone else for next season.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 15:24

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 14:23

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 15:19

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 14:05

Matty's wild arsed guesses:

Jim Matheson @NHLbyMatty
If Oilers are scouring for forwards who can give them some offence outside of Connor, Leon, RNH and Chiasson who have 81 goals, they're probably checking in C Derick Brassard, UFA ($3 mil) who hasn't panned out in Pitts. Other possibles: UFA's Zuccarello, Dzingel, Ferland


Dzingel would be good, but he's about to be UFA, like the others listed. Brassard is past it IMO.

All just short term solutions to save a season where there is really no way we're doing damage in the playoffs, even if we do fluke out and make it.

Don't like it, cause Chia premium suggests we give up our 1st round pick plus more this year for basically anyone.

I don't see it happening but if the Oilers could trade Spooner and something for Brassard, I'd do that. They don't have a 3rd line center right now. Brassard is a UFA which is fine by me.

Dzingel would interest me and you could try to resign him as he should have some years left.


Seconded. If you could do Spooner and a 5th, which becomes a 4th if Brassard re-ups with us then heck yea.

I wouldn't even bother resigning Brassard. I just want the 3.1 off the books that Spooner makes. The new GM can take that money and go find someone else for next season.


The one thing holding us up would likely be the modified NTC Brassard has, submits 8-team NO list.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 15:05

Matty's wild arsed guesses:

Jim Matheson @NHLbyMatty
If Oilers are scouring for forwards who can give them some offence outside of Connor, Leon, RNH and Chiasson who have 81 goals, they're probably checking in C Derick Brassard, UFA ($3 mil) who hasn't panned out in Pitts. Other possibles: UFA's Zuccarello, Dzingel, Ferland


Dzingel would be good, but he's about to be UFA, like the others listed. Brassard is past it IMO.

All just short term solutions to save a season where there is really no way we're doing damage in the playoffs, even if we do fluke out and make it.

Don't like it, cause Chia premium suggests we give up our 1st round pick plus more this year for basically anyone.


I've professed my love for Ferland in an Oilers jersey numerous times. SHOULDN'T cost a first for him alone.



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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 14:24

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 15:05

Matty's wild arsed guesses:

Jim Matheson @NHLbyMatty
If Oilers are scouring for forwards who can give them some offence outside of Connor, Leon, RNH and Chiasson who have 81 goals, they're probably checking in C Derick Brassard, UFA ($3 mil) who hasn't panned out in Pitts. Other possibles: UFA's Zuccarello, Dzingel, Ferland


Dzingel would be good, but he's about to be UFA, like the others listed. Brassard is past it IMO.

All just short term solutions to save a season where there is really no way we're doing damage in the playoffs, even if we do fluke out and make it.

Don't like it, cause Chia premium suggests we give up our 1st round pick plus more this year for basically anyone.


I've professed my love for Ferland in an Oilers jersey numerous times. SHOULDN'T cost a first for him alone.


Shouldn't, but Chia premium probably does make it cost that. We have to give teams players they covet to take their cap dumps. Most recent example of the Chia premium.



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In my opinion the Oilers need to be making trades for guys that fill a role and are for guys that they can keep. Either with term or they can resign who have game left. If pie in the sky you can get a Tarasenko. You have a top 6 guy who is with you for several years. Then you have:
McDavid & Leon
Nuge & Tarasenko

That's the makings for a pretty good top 6. Then hopefully you can go out and sign another Chiasson to fill in the other wing spot.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 15:39

In my opinion the Oilers need to be making trades for guys that fill a role and are for guys that they can keep. Either with term or they can resign who have game left. If pie in the sky you can get a Tarasenko. You have a top 6 guy who is with you for several years. Then you have:
McDavid & Leon
Nuge & Tarasenko

That's the makings for a pretty good top 6. Then hopefully you can go out and sign another Chiasson to fill in the other wing spot.


Would agree, pie in the sky for sure. Would be absolutely amazing, though likelihood of this happening are pretty slim.

If I'm Chiarelli, I'm trying to sign Chiasson to a team friendly extension already.



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