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 Replacement options for Sekera. [message #717654]
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So with the news coming out of the torn Achilles, and Reggie undoubtedly headed onto LTIR we need a a top 4 d. Really not a heck of alot of options out there on the UFA market, i beleive we need to make a trade for that top 4 d. Came up with a couple names in my head. Methot in Dallas, Myers from WPG, FAulk from Carolina, Gardiner out of Toronoto, Coburn from TBL. Thats all that i can come up with, not sure about cost of acquisition on an but i imagine some would be high like Myers and Faulk. Im also sure that some of the space goes right into nurses pocket. I think any of the options i have mentioned will suffice, or perhaps dangling say this years first for sone immediate help.


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I think the best option for a replacement would be Faulk. While not the perfect player, he does have some skills the Oilers could use and is a better option than Bear or Bouchard at this point IMO. Carolina is looking to cut costs, and after an underwhelming return for Skinner they appear to be willing to get rid of their guys at below market value. Either in order to save some cash or for whatever weird culture change reasons they have.

My proposal would be similar to the return Carolina got for Skinner: a 2nd, a B level prospect like Samorukov or Berglund and Cagguila. Based on the Skinner deal you'd think this could be enough to get the conversation rolling.

My understanding of LTIR is they would have to wait until the season begins to place Sekera on it, so any trade would have to wait until then.



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I think you are on the right lines with Faulk, but theres a premuum to ve paid for players with his skillset. I would think the pick or the prospect in that deal would have to be upgraded.


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hitmen4 wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 11:14

I think the best option for a replacement would be Faulk. While not the perfect player, he does have some skills the Oilers could use and is a better option than Bear or Bouchard at this point IMO. Carolina is looking to cut costs, and after an underwhelming return for Skinner they appear to be willing to get rid of their guys at below market value. Either in order to save some cash or for whatever weird culture change reasons they have.

My proposal would be similar to the return Carolina got for Skinner: a 2nd, a B level prospect like Samorukov or Berglund and Cagguila. Based on the Skinner deal you'd think this could be enough to get the conversation rolling.

My understanding of LTIR is they would have to wait until the season begins to place Sekera on it, so any trade would have to wait until then.


How do you intend to sign Nurse AND trade for Faulk though? There's not enough cap space. Caggiula doesn't clear it. You're going to need to flush Kassian too somehow. Even that might not be enough.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 12:49

hitmen4 wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 11:14

I think the best option for a replacement would be Faulk. While not the perfect player, he does have some skills the Oilers could use and is a better option than Bear or Bouchard at this point IMO. Carolina is looking to cut costs, and after an underwhelming return for Skinner they appear to be willing to get rid of their guys at below market value. Either in order to save some cash or for whatever weird culture change reasons they have.

My proposal would be similar to the return Carolina got for Skinner: a 2nd, a B level prospect like Samorukov or Berglund and Cagguila. Based on the Skinner deal you'd think this could be enough to get the conversation rolling.

My understanding of LTIR is they would have to wait until the season begins to place Sekera on it, so any trade would have to wait until then.


How do you intend to sign Nurse AND trade for Faulk though? There's not enough cap space. Caggiula doesn't clear it. You're going to need to flush Kassian too somehow. Even that might not be enough.

Let's just buy out some more guys!



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Adam wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 12:49

hitmen4 wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 11:14

I think the best option for a replacement would be Faulk. While not the perfect player, he does have some skills the Oilers could use and is a better option than Bear or Bouchard at this point IMO. Carolina is looking to cut costs, and after an underwhelming return for Skinner they appear to be willing to get rid of their guys at below market value. Either in order to save some cash or for whatever weird culture change reasons they have.

My proposal would be similar to the return Carolina got for Skinner: a 2nd, a B level prospect like Samorukov or Berglund and Cagguila. Based on the Skinner deal you'd think this could be enough to get the conversation rolling.

My understanding of LTIR is they would have to wait until the season begins to place Sekera on it, so any trade would have to wait until then.


How do you intend to sign Nurse AND trade for Faulk though? There's not enough cap space. Caggiula doesn't clear it. You're going to need to flush Kassian too somehow. Even that might not be enough.


I'd include Kassian to make that work. There was some rumblings Carolina was interested in Kassian earlier this summer too, wasn't there?



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Is this not solved by putting Sekera on LTIR? I'm not exactly an expert on this, but if you trade for Faulk after the season begins and once Sekera is eligible to be placed on LTIR, the cap hits should be a wash?


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hitmen4 wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 14:31

Is this not solved by putting Sekera on LTIR? I'm not exactly an expert on this, but if you trade for Faulk after the season begins and once Sekera is eligible to be placed on LTIR, the cap hits should be a wash?


Sekera will likely come back at some point. LTIR only lets you exceed the cap by the LTIR amount at the time the player is injured. Unless you are banking on Klef being on LTIR by that time, which actually isn't a bad bet.



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Pseudoreality wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 15:09

hitmen4 wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 14:31

Is this not solved by putting Sekera on LTIR? I'm not exactly an expert on this, but if you trade for Faulk after the season begins and once Sekera is eligible to be placed on LTIR, the cap hits should be a wash?


Sekera will likely come back at some point. LTIR only lets you exceed the cap by the LTIR amount at the time the player is injured. Unless you are banking on Klef being on LTIR by that time, which actually isn't a bad bet.


$100 Oilfans Dollars says Sekera won't be back this year if we obtain a good defender.



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I've seen Davidson's name floated and I'm not at all opposed to it... but I don't see him as a Sekera replacement so much as boosting the depth (I like him better as a 6/7 than Gravel or Lowe).

We all agree that Bear and Bouchard aren't the answers, right?

The two best options I see are: Enstrom and Faulk. With Faulk being the best.

I feel that Carolina really doesn't want to go into camp with Faulk... he's the odd man out now that they've acquired Hamilton and de Haan this offseason. And given the return on Skinner, I think the cost on Faulk, especially at the end of summer, won't be crazy. The days of a potential RNH for Faulk trade are gone. He's a Top-4, RHD, who can put up points and move the puck. He may not be perfect, but he's a great fit and would balance the left /right of the defense and provide a nice stopgap for proper development of Bouchard and Bear.

Enstrom was hurt a lot of last year, and he doesn't put up points the way he did earlier in his career, but he's a reliable defenseman who can play Top-4 minutes. He's the only UFA defenseman you can say that for right now I think. At the late stage in the summer, you could probably get him on short-term value contract. The bummer is he's another LH shot. But he's not the worst option; in fact, he's not a bad one. Wouldn't cost any assets either.

For me, I think those are the best two options I see out there.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 14:01

I've seen Davidson's name floated and I'm not at all opposed to it... but I don't see him as a Sekera replacement so much as boosting the depth (I like him better as a 6/7 than Gravel or Lowe).

We all agree that Bear and Bouchard aren't the answers, right?

The two best options I see are: Enstrom and Faulk. With Faulk being the best.

I feel that Carolina really doesn't want to go into camp with Faulk... he's the odd man out now that they've acquired Hamilton and de Haan this offseason. And given the return on Skinner, I think the cost on Faulk, especially at the end of summer, won't be crazy. The days of a potential RNH for Faulk trade are gone. He's a Top-4, RHD, who can put up points and move the puck. He may not be perfect, but he's a great fit and would balance the left /right of the defense and provide a nice stopgap for proper development of Bouchard and Bear.

Enstrom was hurt a lot of last year, and he doesn't put up points the way he did earlier in his career, but he's a reliable defenseman who can play Top-4 minutes. He's the only UFA defenseman you can say that for right now I think. At the late stage in the summer, you could probably get him on short-term value contract. The bummer is he's another LH shot. But he's not the worst option; in fact, he's not a bad one. Wouldn't cost any assets either.

For me, I think those are the best two options I see out there.


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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 13:29

I have my money on improvement from within. Guys taking another step, others having a rebound year. It's gonna happen, trust me.


Let's call it "promotion from within" instead of improvement and I'm on board.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 15:08

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 13:29

I have my money on improvement from within. Guys taking another step, others having a rebound year. It's gonna happen, trust me.


Let's call it "promotion from within" instead of improvement and I'm on board.


I like that. Promotion from within has always served the Oilers org well.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 15:11

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 15:08

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 13:29

I have my money on improvement from within. Guys taking another step, others having a rebound year. It's gonna happen, trust me.


Let's call it "promotion from within" instead of improvement and I'm on board.


I like that. Promotion from within has always served the Oilers org well.


*cough cough* Keegan Lowe *cough*



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Adam wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 15:46

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 15:11

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 15:08

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 13:29

I have my money on improvement from within. Guys taking another step, others having a rebound year. It's gonna happen, trust me.


Let's call it "promotion from within" instead of improvement and I'm on board.


I like that. Promotion from within has always served the Oilers org well.


*cough cough* Keegan Lowe *cough*


Why do I have a sinking feeling that this is what's going to happen? Lowe goes to Katz and trades his old jock strap for Keegan's spot on the roster... thank god Gretzky's kid plays baseball.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 15:46

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 15:11

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 15:08

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 13:29

I have my money on improvement from within. Guys taking another step, others having a rebound year. It's gonna happen, trust me.


Let's call it "promotion from within" instead of improvement and I'm on board.


I like that. Promotion from within has always served the Oilers org well.


*cough cough* Keegan Lowe *cough*


I was actually thinking we should move Gretzky and Messier up a notch in the org. That winningness trickles down a lot harder the higher up the org it comes from.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 21:36

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 15:46

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 15:11

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 15:08

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 13:29

I have my money on improvement from within. Guys taking another step, others having a rebound year. It's gonna happen, trust me.


Let's call it "promotion from within" instead of improvement and I'm on board.


I like that. Promotion from within has always served the Oilers org well.


*cough cough* Keegan Lowe *cough*


I was actually thinking we should move Gretzky and Messier up a notch in the org. That winningness trickles down a lot harder the higher up the org it comes from.



With Gretzky and Messier moved up higher, that trickle down will be reaching terminal velocity in no time and there will be no holding back this tsunami of awesome that the Oilers are.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 13:29

I have my money on improvement from within. Guys taking another step, others having a rebound year. It's gonna happen, trust me.


I have my money on management doing nothing and the team sucking again.



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I would not be doing anything big. I would look at signing Davidson or a Sbisa to a dirt cheap 1 yr deal for 1 mill or less. Both could be in your 3rd pairing.

Another guy I might consider is what about going after Petrovic from Florida? He's an Edmonton guy, right handed, has size, doesn't score a lot but skates pretty well. He was playing 3rd pairing minutes for the Panthers and is a UFA at the end of this season making less that 2 mill.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 16:41

I would not be doing anything big. I would look at signing Davidson or a Sbisa to a dirt cheap 1 yr deal for 1 mill or less. Both could be in your 3rd pairing.

Another guy I might consider is what about going after Petrovic from Florida? He's an Edmonton guy, right handed, has size, doesn't score a lot but skates pretty well. He was playing 3rd pairing minutes for the Panthers and is a UFA at the end of this season making less that 2 mill.


Does anyone actually believe you have enough to get an NHL defenceman after you sign Nurse without possibly damaging the team's cap space in the final year if they pay out some bonus money? I think people are still too optimistic about how cheap Nurse is going to come in at.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 21:52

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 16:41

I would not be doing anything big. I would look at signing Davidson or a Sbisa to a dirt cheap 1 yr deal for 1 mill or less. Both could be in your 3rd pairing.

Another guy I might consider is what about going after Petrovic from Florida? He's an Edmonton guy, right handed, has size, doesn't score a lot but skates pretty well. He was playing 3rd pairing minutes for the Panthers and is a UFA at the end of this season making less that 2 mill.


Does anyone actually believe you have enough to get an NHL defenceman after you sign Nurse without possibly damaging the team's cap space in the final year if they pay out some bonus money? I think people are still too optimistic about how cheap Nurse is going to come in at.


I think they can if they're smart.

Petrovic is a guy I didn't think of, but he definitely is better in the lineup every night than say Gravel. You move Kassian for Petrovic, and you actually save some money.

If you're doing someone like Faulk, you might need to bump of the prospect going back and get them to retain some salary. $1M on Faulk retained, plus Kassian and you're a long way to covering the cost of Faulk... and then you have Sekera on the LTIR for Nurse's deal.

I think it can be done. Do I think Chiarelli can do it? I'm less optimistic about that.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 22:37

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 21:52

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 16:41

I would not be doing anything big. I would look at signing Davidson or a Sbisa to a dirt cheap 1 yr deal for 1 mill or less. Both could be in your 3rd pairing.

Another guy I might consider is what about going after Petrovic from Florida? He's an Edmonton guy, right handed, has size, doesn't score a lot but skates pretty well. He was playing 3rd pairing minutes for the Panthers and is a UFA at the end of this season making less that 2 mill.


Does anyone actually believe you have enough to get an NHL defenceman after you sign Nurse without possibly damaging the team's cap space in the final year if they pay out some bonus money? I think people are still too optimistic about how cheap Nurse is going to come in at.


I think they can if they're smart.

Petrovic is a guy I didn't think of, but he definitely is better in the lineup every night than say Gravel. You move Kassian for Petrovic, and you actually save some money.

If you're doing someone like Faulk, you might need to bump of the prospect going back and get them to retain some salary. $1M on Faulk retained, plus Kassian and you're a long way to covering the cost of Faulk... and then you have Sekera on the LTIR for Nurse's deal.

I think it can be done. Do I think Chiarelli can do it? I'm less optimistic about that.


Kassian is quietly another bad deal on a team rife with them. If he's going to be a 15-20 point fourth liner, then he's just not worth $2MM. But who do you convince to take him? The poorly managed teams have already loaded up on bad contracts this summer (see Canucks' fourth line)...

And if they DO trade Kassian, do we have someone else chomping at the bit who can adequately replace him? Going to league minimum isn't a big benefit if it's some plug who can't top 10 points...



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Adam wrote on Thu, 16 August 2018 00:48

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 22:37

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 21:52

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 16:41

I would not be doing anything big. I would look at signing Davidson or a Sbisa to a dirt cheap 1 yr deal for 1 mill or less. Both could be in your 3rd pairing.

Another guy I might consider is what about going after Petrovic from Florida? He's an Edmonton guy, right handed, has size, doesn't score a lot but skates pretty well. He was playing 3rd pairing minutes for the Panthers and is a UFA at the end of this season making less that 2 mill.


Does anyone actually believe you have enough to get an NHL defenceman after you sign Nurse without possibly damaging the team's cap space in the final year if they pay out some bonus money? I think people are still too optimistic about how cheap Nurse is going to come in at.


I think they can if they're smart.

Petrovic is a guy I didn't think of, but he definitely is better in the lineup every night than say Gravel. You move Kassian for Petrovic, and you actually save some money.

If you're doing someone like Faulk, you might need to bump of the prospect going back and get them to retain some salary. $1M on Faulk retained, plus Kassian and you're a long way to covering the cost of Faulk... and then you have Sekera on the LTIR for Nurse's deal.

I think it can be done. Do I think Chiarelli can do it? I'm less optimistic about that.


Kassian is quietly another bad deal on a team rife with them. If he's going to be a 15-20 point fourth liner, then he's just not worth $2MM. But who do you convince to take him? The poorly managed teams have already loaded up on bad contracts this summer (see Canucks' fourth line)...

And if they DO trade Kassian, do we have someone else chomping at the bit who can adequately replace him? Going to league minimum isn't a big benefit if it's some plug who can't top 10 points...


Kassian makes too much for a fourth liner, but he is an NHLer on any team, and I think even with his high cap hit, there are teams who wouldn't hesitate to add him. Especially if they are lower cap teams.

Late summer is the time for value deals, IMO. Someone like Hemsky or Hartnell on a bonus-structured, league-minimum deal is something I'd look at, and try to move someone who is making double that. Upshall is another league-minimum contract who could put up similar numbers.

All this requires some creativity, but I think there are some solutions out there.



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I would not be doing anything big. I would look at signing Davidson or a Sbisa to a dirt cheap 1 yr deal for 1 mill or less. Both could be in your 3rd pairing.

Another guy I might consider is what about going after Petrovic from Florida? He's an Edmonton guy, right handed, has size, doesn't score a lot but skates pretty well. He was playing 3rd pairing minutes for the Panthers and is a UFA at the end of this season making less that 2 mill.


Does anyone actually believe you have enough to get an NHL defenceman after you sign Nurse without possibly damaging the team's cap space in the final year if they pay out some bonus money? I think people are still too optimistic about how cheap Nurse is going to come in at.


I think they can if they're smart.

Petrovic is a guy I didn't think of, but he definitely is better in the lineup every night than say Gravel. You move Kassian for Petrovic, and you actually save some money.

If you're doing someone like Faulk, you might need to bump of the prospect going back and get them to retain some salary. $1M on Faulk retained, plus Kassian and you're a long way to covering the cost of Faulk... and then you have Sekera on the LTIR for Nurse's deal.

I think it can be done. Do I think Chiarelli can do it? I'm less optimistic about that.


Kassian is quietly another bad deal on a team rife with them. If he's going to be a 15-20 point fourth liner, then he's just not worth $2MM. But who do you convince to take him? The poorly managed teams have already loaded up on bad contracts this summer (see Canucks' fourth line)...

And if they DO trade Kassian, do we have someone else chomping at the bit who can adequately replace him? Going to league minimum isn't a big benefit if it's some plug who can't top 10 points...

Yamamoto gets gifted a roster spot would be my guess. Not a great idea from a development standpoint, but if he stays healthy he could probably put up Kassian's 20pts.



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ziltoid wrote on Thu, 16 August 2018 09:52

Adam wrote on Thu, 16 August 2018 00:48

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 22:37

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 21:52

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 16:41

I would not be doing anything big. I would look at signing Davidson or a Sbisa to a dirt cheap 1 yr deal for 1 mill or less. Both could be in your 3rd pairing.

Another guy I might consider is what about going after Petrovic from Florida? He's an Edmonton guy, right handed, has size, doesn't score a lot but skates pretty well. He was playing 3rd pairing minutes for the Panthers and is a UFA at the end of this season making less that 2 mill.


Does anyone actually believe you have enough to get an NHL defenceman after you sign Nurse without possibly damaging the team's cap space in the final year if they pay out some bonus money? I think people are still too optimistic about how cheap Nurse is going to come in at.


I think they can if they're smart.

Petrovic is a guy I didn't think of, but he definitely is better in the lineup every night than say Gravel. You move Kassian for Petrovic, and you actually save some money.

If you're doing someone like Faulk, you might need to bump of the prospect going back and get them to retain some salary. $1M on Faulk retained, plus Kassian and you're a long way to covering the cost of Faulk... and then you have Sekera on the LTIR for Nurse's deal.

I think it can be done. Do I think Chiarelli can do it? I'm less optimistic about that.


Kassian is quietly another bad deal on a team rife with them. If he's going to be a 15-20 point fourth liner, then he's just not worth $2MM. But who do you convince to take him? The poorly managed teams have already loaded up on bad contracts this summer (see Canucks' fourth line)...

And if they DO trade Kassian, do we have someone else chomping at the bit who can adequately replace him? Going to league minimum isn't a big benefit if it's some plug who can't top 10 points...

Yamamoto gets gifted a roster spot would be my guess. Not a great idea from a development standpoint, but if he stays healthy he could probably put up Kassian's 20pts.


At the end of the day, if we lose a few fourth line points for a top defender, is that really a concern?



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Magnum wrote on Thu, 16 August 2018 10:10

ziltoid wrote on Thu, 16 August 2018 09:52

Adam wrote on Thu, 16 August 2018 00:48

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 22:37

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 21:52

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 16:41

I would not be doing anything big. I would look at signing Davidson or a Sbisa to a dirt cheap 1 yr deal for 1 mill or less. Both could be in your 3rd pairing.

Another guy I might consider is what about going after Petrovic from Florida? He's an Edmonton guy, right handed, has size, doesn't score a lot but skates pretty well. He was playing 3rd pairing minutes for the Panthers and is a UFA at the end of this season making less that 2 mill.


Does anyone actually believe you have enough to get an NHL defenceman after you sign Nurse without possibly damaging the team's cap space in the final year if they pay out some bonus money? I think people are still too optimistic about how cheap Nurse is going to come in at.


I think they can if they're smart.

Petrovic is a guy I didn't think of, but he definitely is better in the lineup every night than say Gravel. You move Kassian for Petrovic, and you actually save some money.

If you're doing someone like Faulk, you might need to bump of the prospect going back and get them to retain some salary. $1M on Faulk retained, plus Kassian and you're a long way to covering the cost of Faulk... and then you have Sekera on the LTIR for Nurse's deal.

I think it can be done. Do I think Chiarelli can do it? I'm less optimistic about that.


Kassian is quietly another bad deal on a team rife with them. If he's going to be a 15-20 point fourth liner, then he's just not worth $2MM. But who do you convince to take him? The poorly managed teams have already loaded up on bad contracts this summer (see Canucks' fourth line)...

And if they DO trade Kassian, do we have someone else chomping at the bit who can adequately replace him? Going to league minimum isn't a big benefit if it's some plug who can't top 10 points...

Yamamoto gets gifted a roster spot would be my guess. Not a great idea from a development standpoint, but if he stays healthy he could probably put up Kassian's 20pts.


At the end of the day, if we lose a few fourth line points for a top defender, is that really a concern?

Not for me, but I don't have enough faith in PC to think he can get that defender, especially given the cap situation. Even with a bridge deal, Nurse is going to get more than what we have left in cap space pre-LTIR, and when you factor in a bonus cushion and the fact Sekera could come back during the last legs of the season, I don't like PC's odds re: not screwing this up.



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ziltoid wrote on Thu, 16 August 2018 18:42

Magnum wrote on Thu, 16 August 2018 10:10

ziltoid wrote on Thu, 16 August 2018 09:52

Adam wrote on Thu, 16 August 2018 00:48

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 22:37

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 21:52

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 16:41

I would not be doing anything big. I would look at signing Davidson or a Sbisa to a dirt cheap 1 yr deal for 1 mill or less. Both could be in your 3rd pairing.

Another guy I might consider is what about going after Petrovic from Florida? He's an Edmonton guy, right handed, has size, doesn't score a lot but skates pretty well. He was playing 3rd pairing minutes for the Panthers and is a UFA at the end of this season making less that 2 mill.


Does anyone actually believe you have enough to get an NHL defenceman after you sign Nurse without possibly damaging the team's cap space in the final year if they pay out some bonus money? I think people are still too optimistic about how cheap Nurse is going to come in at.


I think they can if they're smart.

Petrovic is a guy I didn't think of, but he definitely is better in the lineup every night than say Gravel. You move Kassian for Petrovic, and you actually save some money.

If you're doing someone like Faulk, you might need to bump of the prospect going back and get them to retain some salary. $1M on Faulk retained, plus Kassian and you're a long way to covering the cost of Faulk... and then you have Sekera on the LTIR for Nurse's deal.

I think it can be done. Do I think Chiarelli can do it? I'm less optimistic about that.


Kassian is quietly another bad deal on a team rife with them. If he's going to be a 15-20 point fourth liner, then he's just not worth $2MM. But who do you convince to take him? The poorly managed teams have already loaded up on bad contracts this summer (see Canucks' fourth line)...

And if they DO trade Kassian, do we have someone else chomping at the bit who can adequately replace him? Going to league minimum isn't a big benefit if it's some plug who can't top 10 points...

Yamamoto gets gifted a roster spot would be my guess. Not a great idea from a development standpoint, but if he stays healthy he could probably put up Kassian's 20pts.


At the end of the day, if we lose a few fourth line points for a top defender, is that really a concern?

Not for me, but I don't have enough faith in PC to think he can get that defender, especially given the cap situation. Even with a bridge deal, Nurse is going to get more than what we have left in cap space pre-LTIR, and when you factor in a bonus cushion and the fact Sekera could come back during the last legs of the season, I don't like PC's odds re: not screwing this up.


Agreed. However, "but we might lose Kassian" should not hold anything up.

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Adam wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 21:52

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 16:41

I would not be doing anything big. I would look at signing Davidson or a Sbisa to a dirt cheap 1 yr deal for 1 mill or less. Both could be in your 3rd pairing.

Another guy I might consider is what about going after Petrovic from Florida? He's an Edmonton guy, right handed, has size, doesn't score a lot but skates pretty well. He was playing 3rd pairing minutes for the Panthers and is a UFA at the end of this season making less that 2 mill.


Does anyone actually believe you have enough to get an NHL defenceman after you sign Nurse without possibly damaging the team's cap space in the final year if they pay out some bonus money? I think people are still too optimistic about how cheap Nurse is going to come in at.

Oilers have just over 4.9 mill in cap space before Sekera being put on LTIR. I have said that they should 100% bridge Nurse because there are still questions on what he is. Right now he is a big, nasty, skates like the wind, shut down Dman who can get your 25-30 pts. So on a long term deal, that is a 4.5-5 mill player. He doesn't have the offense right now to justify getting more. On a bridge deal based on who's signed already that are right in his wheel house both with age and experience. I think the bench marks for Nurse is what Edmundson (3.0 mill) and Montour (3.387 mill). So if he is in that range, you should have around 1.5-1.7 mill to work with that is before putting Sekera on LTIR.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 August 2018 08:36

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 21:52

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 16:41

I would not be doing anything big. I would look at signing Davidson or a Sbisa to a dirt cheap 1 yr deal for 1 mill or less. Both could be in your 3rd pairing.

Another guy I might consider is what about going after Petrovic from Florida? He's an Edmonton guy, right handed, has size, doesn't score a lot but skates pretty well. He was playing 3rd pairing minutes for the Panthers and is a UFA at the end of this season making less that 2 mill.


Does anyone actually believe you have enough to get an NHL defenceman after you sign Nurse without possibly damaging the team's cap space in the final year if they pay out some bonus money? I think people are still too optimistic about how cheap Nurse is going to come in at.

Oilers have just over 4.9 mill in cap space before Sekera being put on LTIR. I have said that they should 100% bridge Nurse because there are still questions on what he is. Right now he is a big, nasty, skates like the wind, shut down Dman who can get your 25-30 pts. So on a long term deal, that is a 4.5-5 mill player. He doesn't have the offense right now to justify getting more. On a bridge deal based on who's signed already that are right in his wheel house both with age and experience. I think the bench marks for Nurse is what Edmundson (3.0 mill) and Montour (3.387 mill). So if he is in that range, you should have around 1.5-1.7 mill to work with that is before putting Sekera on LTIR.


What do you want to bet that Nurse gets a higher number than you're suggesting on a short-term deal.

I think one-year, $4MM+ is likely.

Don't forget - the cap space doesn't include any bonuses achieved this year. If Puljujarvi were to have a good season, he could add up to $2.5MM to the Oilers cap. If they don't have room for it this year, it is subtracted from next year's number. Bouchard & Yamamoto could also be looking at some bonus dollars this year if they stick (although thankfully a smaller amount).



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Adam wrote on Mon, 20 August 2018 10:27

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 August 2018 08:36

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 21:52

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 August 2018 16:41

I would not be doing anything big. I would look at signing Davidson or a Sbisa to a dirt cheap 1 yr deal for 1 mill or less. Both could be in your 3rd pairing.

Another guy I might consider is what about going after Petrovic from Florida? He's an Edmonton guy, right handed, has size, doesn't score a lot but skates pretty well. He was playing 3rd pairing minutes for the Panthers and is a UFA at the end of this season making less that 2 mill.


Does anyone actually believe you have enough to get an NHL defenceman after you sign Nurse without possibly damaging the team's cap space in the final year if they pay out some bonus money? I think people are still too optimistic about how cheap Nurse is going to come in at.

Oilers have just over 4.9 mill in cap space before Sekera being put on LTIR. I have said that they should 100% bridge Nurse because there are still questions on what he is. Right now he is a big, nasty, skates like the wind, shut down Dman who can get your 25-30 pts. So on a long term deal, that is a 4.5-5 mill player. He doesn't have the offense right now to justify getting more. On a bridge deal based on who's signed already that are right in his wheel house both with age and experience. I think the bench marks for Nurse is what Edmundson (3.0 mill) and Montour (3.387 mill). So if he is in that range, you should have around 1.5-1.7 mill to work with that is before putting Sekera on LTIR.


What do you want to bet that Nurse gets a higher number than you're suggesting on a short-term deal.

I think one-year, $4MM+ is likely.

Don't forget - the cap space doesn't include any bonuses achieved this year. If Puljujarvi were to have a good season, he could add up to $2.5MM to the Oilers cap. If they don't have room for it this year, it is subtracted from next year's number. Bouchard & Yamamoto could also be looking at some bonus dollars this year if they stick (although thankfully a smaller amount).


I don't know what to expect. I prefer not to assume the worst but I understand why some might think he will get more than he should. I am basing my opinion on his salary from what others have signed for and what Stauffer has said. He's said many times he's expecting a 2 yr deal in that 3 mill range. He's the mouth piece of the team so I believe he's basically repeating what the team tells him to say.



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I don't know what to expect. I prefer not to assume the worst but I understand why some might think he will get more than he should. I am basing my opinion on his salary from what others have signed for and what Stauffer has said. He's said many times he's expecting a 2 yr deal in that 3 mill range. He's the mouth piece of the team so I believe he's basically repeating what the team tells him to say.


I'd suggest one of the reasons that the team hasn't managed to sign Nurse may be this sort of unreasonable expectation. If there was a two-year $3MM per deal to be done, I think he would have signed it. He gets more because:

- the team constantly pumps his tires to fans. He's billed as a building block of the team, and that is easy to point to in negotiations.
- they've paid so much to other players who aren't as good. Kris Russell with 4x4MM plus a NMC makes it hard for Nurse - acclaimed as the best d-man on the team last year - to take much less. Matt Benning is making $1.9MM himself, and he's way behind Nurse on the development curve (despite being a year older). Nurse can't look at those comps and not feel he's worth more than $3MM per.
- Sekera's out. The Oilers have no room to bring in another solution. If Nurse's situation for this year is not resolved, then the team enters the season without two of their top four defencemen. That's a recipe for disaster, and Nurse's agent knows it. The Oilers could have played hardball a little while to get the bridge deal if everyone had stayed healthy, but now? They can't afford to chance it. If Nurse sits for six weeks, the team's season could be done before he's back.

All those points add up to the team getting a deal that's shorter and more expensive than they wanted.



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I'm interested to see how Truck (Gravel) is going to do, he was ranked quite high in the LA organization, if he has his Crohns under control, he might be a pleasant, and welcome, surprise.

I don't want to give up a good asset or pick for Faulk, the guy is fat and slow, done like KD.



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Justin Braun is looking like a good candidate for us to give an arm and a leg for. He's one of those D that needs a dynamic puck mover on his other side to survive. He had a career year last season, lots of luck went his way so the value is nicely above what he should be seen as. Making 3.8M and has dropped to #3 on the SJ RHD depth chart.


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