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I’ll be on a plane when this goes down so keep this updated please...here’s hoping we don’t end up picking 12th!


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Anybody know if you can watch the first part on rogers gamecenter? I have got the xbox app going but I can't see anything about it.


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When I run to Jersey City after the Oilers win what number you think he will wear?


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- Jim Ross calling the NHL Draft Lotto 2015 as the Oilers win

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WhoreableGuy wrote on Sat, 28 April 2018 17:22

When I run to Jersey City after the Oilers win what number you think he will wear?


77?



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What was up with that Dallas card?


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10th pick. Carolina jumped into the top 3.


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Trade it? What do we do with 10?


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Oilers picking 10th.

Carolina, Buffalo, and Montreal will be drafting top 3. I suppose that is a small win in itself for us. No top picks in our conference or division.



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 Re: NHL Draft Lottery [message #714069 is a reply to message #714067 ]
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smyth260 wrote on Sat, 28 April 2018 16:50

Oilers picking 10th.

Carolina, Buffalo, and Montreal will be drafting top 3. I suppose that is a small win in itself for us. No top picks in our conference or division.


Fixed!!

That's OK, that Dahlin bum is over rated anyway!

We'll get someone pretty good at 10, NO worries!

Here's some guys available at 10 based on several draft rankings..
http://www.mynhldraft.com/2018-draft/2018-nhl-draft-rankings

Bob McKenzie TSN/ Cam Robinson Dobber Prospects/ Steve Kournianos SportingNews/ NHL Central Scouting: NA

1 Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin Andrei Svechnikov Andrei Svechnikov
2 Andrei Svechnikov Andrei Svechnikov Rasmus Dahlin Brady Tkachuk
3 Filip Zadina Quinn Hughes Filip Zadina Filip Zadina
4 Brady Tkachuk Filip Zadina Adam Boqvist Evan Bouchard
5 Evan Bouchard Adam Boqvist Joe Veleno Noah Dobson
6 Adam Boqvist Oliver Wahlstrom Brady Tkachuk Quintin Hughes
7 Oliver Wahlstrom Noah Dobson Oliver Wahlstrom Oliver Wahlstrom
8 Noah Dobson Ty Smith Ty Smith Joseph Veleno
9 Quinton Hughes Brady Tkachuk Joel Farabee Barrett Hayton
10 Jesperi Kotkaniemi Joel Farabee Quinn Hughes Serron Noel
11 Joe Veleno Evan Bouchard Rasmus Kupari Rasmus Sandin
12 Barrett Hayton Jesperi Kotkaniemi Jesperi Kotkaniemi Joel Farabee
13 Ty Smith Barrett Hayton Barrett Hayton Jared Mcisaac
14 Joel Farabee Joe Veleno Noah Dobson Ty Smith
15 Grigori Denisenko Rasmus Kupari Bode Wilde Akil Thomas
16 Vitali Kravtsov Vitali Kravtsov Akil Thomas Ryan Mcleod

NHL Central Scouting: INTL/ McKeen's Hockey/ ISS Hockey/ Future Considerations

1 Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin
2 Adam Boqvist Andrei Svechnikov Andrei Svechnikov Andrei Svechnikov
3 Vitali Kravtsov Filip Zadina Filip Zadina Filip Zadina
4 Martin Kaut Quinn Hughes Brady Tkachuk Brady Tkachuk
5 Adam Ginning Brady Tkachuk Oliver Wahlstrom Adam Boqvist
6 Jesperi Kotkaniemi Evan Bouchard Evan Bouchard Quinton Hughes
7 Grigori Denisenko Oliver Wahlstrom Quinn Hughes Oliver Wahlstrom
8 Isac Lundestrom Adam Boqvist Noah Dobson Ty Smith
9 Jacob Olofsson Joe Veleno Adam Boqvist Evan Bouchard
10 Filip Johansson Noah Dobson Joe Veleno Joel Farabee
11 Rasmus Kupari Isac Lundestrom Ty Smith Noah Dobson
12 Dominik Bokk Joel Farabee Barrett Hayton Rasmus Kupari
13 Filip Hallander Barrett Hayton Grigori Denisenko Bode Wilde
14 Nils Lundkvist Jesperi Kotkaniemi Rasmus Kupari Barrett Hayton
15 Martin Fehervary Bode Wilde Isac Lundestrom Joseph Veleno
16 Jan Jenik Ty Smith Joel Farabee Isac Lundestrom

Craig Button TSN/ Jeff Marek SportsNet/ Hockey Prospect/ Scott Wheeler The Athletic

1 Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin
2 Brady Tkachuk Filip Zadina Andrei Svechnikov Andrei Svechnikov
3 Andrei Svechnikov Andrei Svechnikov Filip Zadina Filip Zadina
4 Filip Zadina Brady Tkachuk Adam Boqvist Quinton Hughes
5 Evan Bouchard Adam Boqvist Brady Tkachuk Adam Boqvist
6 Adam Boqvist Noah Dobson Oliver Wahlstrom Ryan Merkley
7 Barrett Hayton Oliver Wahlstrom Quinn Hughes Evan Bouchard
8 Noah Dobson Evan Bouchard Joel Farabee Oliver Wahlstrom
9 Oliver Wahlstrom Quinton Hughes Noah Dodson Brady Tkachuk
10 Jesperi Kotkaniemi Isac Lundestrom Jesperi Kotkaniemi Joe Veleno
11 Bode Wilde Barrett Hayton Grigori Denisenko Jesperi Kotkanieni
12 Quinn Hughes Joel Farabee Rasmus Kupari Noah Dobson
13 Rasmus Kupari Bode Wilde Bode Wilde Ty Smith
14 Grigori Denisenko Joe Veleno Ty Smith Isac Lundestrom
15 Joel Farabee Grigori Denisenko Evan Bouchard Joel Farabee
16 Serron Noel Ty Smith K’Andre Miller Bode Wilde



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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 28 April 2018 19:20

smyth260 wrote on Sat, 28 April 2018 16:50

Oilers picking 10th.

Carolina, Buffalo, and Montreal will be drafting top 3. I suppose that is a small win in itself for us. No top picks in our conference or division.


Fixed!!

That's OK, that Dahlin bum is over rated anyway!

We'll get someone pretty good at 10, NO worries!

Here's some guys available at 10 based on several draft rankings..
http://www.mynhldraft.com/2018-draft/2018-nhl-draft-rankings

Bob McKenzie TSN/ Cam Robinson Dobber Prospects/ Steve Kournianos SportingNews/ NHL Central Scouting: NA

1 Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin Andrei Svechnikov Andrei Svechnikov
2 Andrei Svechnikov Andrei Svechnikov Rasmus Dahlin Brady Tkachuk
3 Filip Zadina Quinn Hughes Filip Zadina Filip Zadina
4 Brady Tkachuk Filip Zadina Adam Boqvist Evan Bouchard
5 Evan Bouchard Adam Boqvist Joe Veleno Noah Dobson
6 Adam Boqvist Oliver Wahlstrom Brady Tkachuk Quintin Hughes
7 Oliver Wahlstrom Noah Dobson Oliver Wahlstrom Oliver Wahlstrom
8 Noah Dobson Ty Smith Ty Smith Joseph Veleno
9 Quinton Hughes Brady Tkachuk Joel Farabee Barrett Hayton
10 Jesperi Kotkaniemi Joel Farabee Quinn Hughes Serron Noel
11 Joe Veleno Evan Bouchard Rasmus Kupari Rasmus Sandin
12 Barrett Hayton Jesperi Kotkaniemi Jesperi Kotkaniemi Joel Farabee
13 Ty Smith Barrett Hayton Barrett Hayton Jared Mcisaac
14 Joel Farabee Joe Veleno Noah Dobson Ty Smith
15 Grigori Denisenko Rasmus Kupari Bode Wilde Akil Thomas
16 Vitali Kravtsov Vitali Kravtsov Akil Thomas Ryan Mcleod

NHL Central Scouting: INTL/ McKeen's Hockey/ ISS Hockey/ Future Considerations

1 Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin
2 Adam Boqvist Andrei Svechnikov Andrei Svechnikov Andrei Svechnikov
3 Vitali Kravtsov Filip Zadina Filip Zadina Filip Zadina
4 Martin Kaut Quinn Hughes Brady Tkachuk Brady Tkachuk
5 Adam Ginning Brady Tkachuk Oliver Wahlstrom Adam Boqvist
6 Jesperi Kotkaniemi Evan Bouchard Evan Bouchard Quinton Hughes
7 Grigori Denisenko Oliver Wahlstrom Quinn Hughes Oliver Wahlstrom
8 Isac Lundestrom Adam Boqvist Noah Dobson Ty Smith
9 Jacob Olofsson Joe Veleno Adam Boqvist Evan Bouchard
10 Filip Johansson Noah Dobson Joe Veleno Joel Farabee
11 Rasmus Kupari Isac Lundestrom Ty Smith Noah Dobson
12 Dominik Bokk Joel Farabee Barrett Hayton Rasmus Kupari
13 Filip Hallander Barrett Hayton Grigori Denisenko Bode Wilde
14 Nils Lundkvist Jesperi Kotkaniemi Rasmus Kupari Barrett Hayton
15 Martin Fehervary Bode Wilde Isac Lundestrom Joseph Veleno
16 Jan Jenik Ty Smith Joel Farabee Isac Lundestrom

Craig Button TSN/ Jeff Marek SportsNet/ Hockey Prospect/ Scott Wheeler The Athletic

1 Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin
2 Brady Tkachuk Filip Zadina Andrei Svechnikov Andrei Svechnikov
3 Andrei Svechnikov Andrei Svechnikov Filip Zadina Filip Zadina
4 Filip Zadina Brady Tkachuk Adam Boqvist Quinton Hughes
5 Evan Bouchard Adam Boqvist Brady Tkachuk Adam Boqvist
6 Adam Boqvist Noah Dobson Oliver Wahlstrom Ryan Merkley
7 Barrett Hayton Oliver Wahlstrom Quinn Hughes Evan Bouchard
8 Noah Dobson Evan Bouchard Joel Farabee Oliver Wahlstrom
9 Oliver Wahlstrom Quinton Hughes Noah Dodson Brady Tkachuk
10 Jesperi Kotkaniemi Isac Lundestrom Jesperi Kotkaniemi Joe Veleno
11 Bode Wilde Barrett Hayton Grigori Denisenko Jesperi Kotkanieni
12 Quinn Hughes Joel Farabee Rasmus Kupari Noah Dobson
13 Rasmus Kupari Bode Wilde Bode Wilde Ty Smith
14 Grigori Denisenko Joe Veleno Ty Smith Isac Lundestrom
15 Joel Farabee Grigori Denisenko Evan Bouchard Joel Farabee
16 Serron Noel Ty Smith K’Andre Miller Bode Wilde


I think the OIlers hope will be for a puck moving D to drop to 10. There are quite a few in the top group of this draft, not crazy to think one will come our way.



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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 28 April 2018 18:42

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 28 April 2018 19:20

smyth260 wrote on Sat, 28 April 2018 16:50

Oilers picking 10th.

Carolina, Buffalo, and Montreal will be drafting top 3. I suppose that is a small win in itself for us. No top picks in our conference or division.


Fixed!!

That's OK, that Dahlin bum is over rated anyway!

We'll get someone pretty good at 10, NO worries!

Here's some guys available at 10 based on several draft rankings..
http://www.mynhldraft.com/2018-draft/2018-nhl-draft-rankings

Bob McKenzie TSN/ Cam Robinson Dobber Prospects/ Steve Kournianos SportingNews/ NHL Central Scouting: NA

1 Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin Andrei Svechnikov Andrei Svechnikov
2 Andrei Svechnikov Andrei Svechnikov Rasmus Dahlin Brady Tkachuk
3 Filip Zadina Quinn Hughes Filip Zadina Filip Zadina
4 Brady Tkachuk Filip Zadina Adam Boqvist Evan Bouchard
5 Evan Bouchard Adam Boqvist Joe Veleno Noah Dobson
6 Adam Boqvist Oliver Wahlstrom Brady Tkachuk Quintin Hughes
7 Oliver Wahlstrom Noah Dobson Oliver Wahlstrom Oliver Wahlstrom
8 Noah Dobson Ty Smith Ty Smith Joseph Veleno
9 Quinton Hughes Brady Tkachuk Joel Farabee Barrett Hayton
10 Jesperi Kotkaniemi Joel Farabee Quinn Hughes Serron Noel
11 Joe Veleno Evan Bouchard Rasmus Kupari Rasmus Sandin
12 Barrett Hayton Jesperi Kotkaniemi Jesperi Kotkaniemi Joel Farabee
13 Ty Smith Barrett Hayton Barrett Hayton Jared Mcisaac
14 Joel Farabee Joe Veleno Noah Dobson Ty Smith
15 Grigori Denisenko Rasmus Kupari Bode Wilde Akil Thomas
16 Vitali Kravtsov Vitali Kravtsov Akil Thomas Ryan Mcleod

NHL Central Scouting: INTL/ McKeen's Hockey/ ISS Hockey/ Future Considerations

1 Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin
2 Adam Boqvist Andrei Svechnikov Andrei Svechnikov Andrei Svechnikov
3 Vitali Kravtsov Filip Zadina Filip Zadina Filip Zadina
4 Martin Kaut Quinn Hughes Brady Tkachuk Brady Tkachuk
5 Adam Ginning Brady Tkachuk Oliver Wahlstrom Adam Boqvist
6 Jesperi Kotkaniemi Evan Bouchard Evan Bouchard Quinton Hughes
7 Grigori Denisenko Oliver Wahlstrom Quinn Hughes Oliver Wahlstrom
8 Isac Lundestrom Adam Boqvist Noah Dobson Ty Smith
9 Jacob Olofsson Joe Veleno Adam Boqvist Evan Bouchard
10 Filip Johansson Noah Dobson Joe Veleno Joel Farabee
11 Rasmus Kupari Isac Lundestrom Ty Smith Noah Dobson
12 Dominik Bokk Joel Farabee Barrett Hayton Rasmus Kupari
13 Filip Hallander Barrett Hayton Grigori Denisenko Bode Wilde
14 Nils Lundkvist Jesperi Kotkaniemi Rasmus Kupari Barrett Hayton
15 Martin Fehervary Bode Wilde Isac Lundestrom Joseph Veleno
16 Jan Jenik Ty Smith Joel Farabee Isac Lundestrom

Craig Button TSN/ Jeff Marek SportsNet/ Hockey Prospect/ Scott Wheeler The Athletic

1 Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin Rasmus Dahlin
2 Brady Tkachuk Filip Zadina Andrei Svechnikov Andrei Svechnikov
3 Andrei Svechnikov Andrei Svechnikov Filip Zadina Filip Zadina
4 Filip Zadina Brady Tkachuk Adam Boqvist Quinton Hughes
5 Evan Bouchard Adam Boqvist Brady Tkachuk Adam Boqvist
6 Adam Boqvist Noah Dobson Oliver Wahlstrom Ryan Merkley
7 Barrett Hayton Oliver Wahlstrom Quinn Hughes Evan Bouchard
8 Noah Dobson Evan Bouchard Joel Farabee Oliver Wahlstrom
9 Oliver Wahlstrom Quinton Hughes Noah Dodson Brady Tkachuk
10 Jesperi Kotkaniemi Isac Lundestrom Jesperi Kotkaniemi Joe Veleno
11 Bode Wilde Barrett Hayton Grigori Denisenko Jesperi Kotkanieni
12 Quinn Hughes Joel Farabee Rasmus Kupari Noah Dobson
13 Rasmus Kupari Bode Wilde Bode Wilde Ty Smith
14 Grigori Denisenko Joe Veleno Ty Smith Isac Lundestrom
15 Joel Farabee Grigori Denisenko Evan Bouchard Joel Farabee
16 Serron Noel Ty Smith K’Andre Miller Bode Wilde


I think the Oilers hope will be for a puck moving D to drop to 10. There are quite a few in the top group of this draft, not crazy to think one will come our way.


I was watching some of the U-18's this last week, saw Ty Smith, Ryan Merkely, Serron Noel, Joe Veleno, Jared McIsaac . Noel is 6'-5", great wheels, has some hands, and plays physical. He looked interesting, might be a good sleeper pick. Ty Smith is a great skater, agile, good passes, not as large as you'd hope for in a NHL D-man (5'-10").. but won't be a bad pick at 10.. Merkely has great wheels, agile, heads up, but a little loose defensively, just a matter of whether he is coach-able enough to change that. Veleno looked good, decent wheels, good hands, but not a stand out. McIssac is a D-man, made things happen offensively, and solid defensively, he'd be a good lower pick, but not at 10.

Another interesting D-man rated near No. 10 is Noah Dobson, good reports about him as well.



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Only logical conclusion is that the lottery is rigged and we were robbed icon_nod


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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 28 April 2018 18:30

Only logical conclusion is that the lottery is rigged and we were robbed icon_nod

They have to stop rewarding teams finishing 13th last and 11th last.



"Bah Gawd! Would somebody stop the damn draft!"

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Buffalo is going to win a Cup before the Oilers do


Wins in a row the Oilers need to get to playoff pace: infinity
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If the Oilers pick Veleno they will have 3 players that were granted exceptional status by their CHL league joining Benson and McDavid. Crazy how some predicted #1's from years prior can fall so much in a couple of years.


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Please draft BPA this year, Oilers braintrust... don't go off the board completely or make a stretch pick based on need. That's all I ask.

That said, I don't like the pocket that the team is in. It seems like there is a serious lack of concensus on the quality and positioning of talent where we are.

I hope someone that seems to be in the clear top ten or so drops to us, because after that it becomes a dog's breakfast.



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I was hoping Carolina would have won - might have been able to shake loose one of Slavin, Faulk, or Hanifin with Dahlin coming in. Even at #2 - what a score for the Canes.


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Mike wrote on Sun, 29 April 2018 17:49

I was hoping Carolina would have won - might have been able to shake loose one of Slavin, Faulk, or Hanifin with Dahlin coming in. Even at #2 - what a score for the Canes.


Could perhaps be able to shake one of them free, even with the outcome of the lottery.

If I'm Chia, i'm looking to trade this first rounder. Yes, our cupboards are pretty bare. But this team needs to make the Playoffs next year and one would think if they are unsuccessful in reaching the Playoffs, goodbye PC. I'd give Don Waddell a call and offer the 10th for Faulk and see where it goes. Put it on the table.



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OilMJMOil wrote on Sun, 29 April 2018 21:01

Mike wrote on Sun, 29 April 2018 17:49

I was hoping Carolina would have won - might have been able to shake loose one of Slavin, Faulk, or Hanifin with Dahlin coming in. Even at #2 - what a score for the Canes.


Could perhaps be able to shake one of them free, even with the outcome of the lottery.

If I'm Chia, i'm looking to trade this first rounder. Yes, our cupboards are pretty bare. But this team needs to make the Playoffs next year and one would think if they are unsuccessful in reaching the Playoffs, goodbye PC. I'd give Don Waddell a call and offer the 10th for Faulk and see where it goes. Put it on the table.


100%. I hate a bare prospect pool, but we're not getting another McDavid anytime soon. Giddy the F up. I don't know enough about Faulk (mixed reviews) - some people say he is way overrated, but the few times I remember watching him specifically, I liked what I saw. And the his numbers are pretty good - over 30 points the last 5 years and he just turned 26. Like you say, start with the 10th and see where it goes from there.

Faulk >>> Reinhart...



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Mike wrote on Sun, 29 April 2018 18:18

OilMJMOil wrote on Sun, 29 April 2018 21:01

Mike wrote on Sun, 29 April 2018 17:49

I was hoping Carolina would have won - might have been able to shake loose one of Slavin, Faulk, or Hanifin with Dahlin coming in. Even at #2 - what a score for the Canes.


Could perhaps be able to shake one of them free, even with the outcome of the lottery.

If I'm Chia, i'm looking to trade this first rounder. Yes, our cupboards are pretty bare. But this team needs to make the Playoffs next year and one would think if they are unsuccessful in reaching the Playoffs, goodbye PC. I'd give Don Waddell a call and offer the 10th for Faulk and see where it goes. Put it on the table.


100%. I hate a bare prospect pool, but we're not getting another McDavid anytime soon. Giddy the F up. I don't know enough about Faulk (mixed reviews) - some people say he is way overrated, but the few times I remember watching him specifically, I liked what I saw. And the his numbers are pretty good - over 30 points the last 5 years and he just turned 26. Like you say, start with the 10th and see where it goes from there.

Faulk >>> Reinhart...


Only issue is that Chia sucks at trading.

Chia + Gretzky picked up Pastrnak late in the 1st round.

Gretzky after Chia left picked up McAvoy with #14 I believe.

Both of those guys are huge parts of their team now, Pastrnak started a couple years after his draft, McAvoy was drafted in 2016. I dunno, I almost trust this management team more with the pick than making a trade.



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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 29 April 2018 18:32

Mike wrote on Sun, 29 April 2018 18:18

OilMJMOil wrote on Sun, 29 April 2018 21:01

Mike wrote on Sun, 29 April 2018 17:49

I was hoping Carolina would have won - might have been able to shake loose one of Slavin, Faulk, or Hanifin with Dahlin coming in. Even at #2 - what a score for the Canes.


Could perhaps be able to shake one of them free, even with the outcome of the lottery.

If I'm Chia, i'm looking to trade this first rounder. Yes, our cupboards are pretty bare. But this team needs to make the Playoffs next year and one would think if they are unsuccessful in reaching the Playoffs, goodbye PC. I'd give Don Waddell a call and offer the 10th for Faulk and see where it goes. Put it on the table.


100%. I hate a bare prospect pool, but we're not getting another McDavid anytime soon. Giddy the F up. I don't know enough about Faulk (mixed reviews) - some people say he is way overrated, but the few times I remember watching him specifically, I liked what I saw. And the his numbers are pretty good - over 30 points the last 5 years and he just turned 26. Like you say, start with the 10th and see where it goes from there.

Faulk >>> Reinhart...


Only issue is that Chia sucks at trading.

Chia + Gretzky picked up Pastrnak late in the 1st round.

Gretzky after Chia left picked up McAvoy with #14 I believe.

Both of those guys are huge parts of their team now, Pastrnak started a couple years after his draft, McAvoy was drafted in 2016. I dunno, I almost trust this management team more with the pick than making a trade.


Two pretty good examples to trust them in taking the pick. However... do you trust Chia’s negotiating or Woodcroft’s ability to develop the pick into a contributing NHL player.

Chiarelli, I assume, would believe that he’s a turn away from the unemployment line. Sure, they could take the pick, allow the player to return to junior for one more season or send him to the AHL (eligibility pending) and he can put his skills to the test, to keep his job, and fix the roster by way of small tinkering. Okay, new assistants could help... but ol’ Pete’s got a plan. And I’m of the thinking that if they moved up to 1, 2 or 3 they’d take the pick but since they’re at 10, he’ll try to move it. And I’m on board with that. Trade it.



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OilMJMOil wrote on Sun, 29 April 2018 20:41

Sure, they could take the pick, allow the player to return to junior for one more season or send him to the AHL (eligibility pending) and he can put his skills to the test

That's certainly an option..

Another option would be to make the pick - based on the perceived needs of the team today of course (puck moving defenseman!), have Stauffer etc talk him up all summer, bring him into training camp and watch as he miraculously "makes the team". Proceed to throw him in over his head in the regular season, burn a year of his ELC and destroy his confidence. Then send him to junior/AHL, bring him back the following year then trade him for a 2nd round pick because of character flaws/lack of grit.





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Two pretty good examples to trust them in taking the pick. However... do you trust Chia’s negotiating or Woodcroft’s ability to develop the pick into a contributing NHL player.

Chiarelli, I assume, would believe that he’s a turn away from the unemployment line. Sure, they could take the pick, allow the player to return to junior for one more season or send him to the AHL (eligibility pending) and he can put his skills to the test, to keep his job, and fix the roster by way of small tinkering. Okay, new assistants could help... but ol’ Pete’s got a plan. And I’m of the thinking that if they moved up to 1, 2 or 3 they’d take the pick but since they’re at 10, he’ll try to move it. And I’m on board with that. Trade it.


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I'm not n board with trading the pick because we won't get anything tangible back for it, its a No. 10, not No.3. I say keep it, yes you need to try and get some success while you have McD in his prime, but you also need to SERIOUSLY look into the future to ensure you have developed, young, CHEAP talent coming down the pipeline to replace the young guys you have had that will want more money as they establish success in the league.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 29 April 2018 23:56

I'm not n board with trading the pick because we won't get anything tangible back for it, its a No. 10, not No.3. I say keep it, yes you need to try and get some success while you have McD in his prime, but you also need to SERIOUSLY look into the future to ensure you have developed, young, CHEAP talent coming down the pipeline to replace the young guys you have had that will want more money as they establish success in the league.

All the best teams have had success because of developing drafted talent, Oilers need to start doing that, time to build a prospect factory, and get that assembly line fired up!


It'll be interesting (read: terrifying) to see what they do at and around the draft this year. While everyone got votes of confidence, it's pretty clear that the pitchforks are ready for this GM (if not for everyone else too). Considering that if he gets fired, he'll be known as the guy who traded Hall, Seguin, Wheeler, Kessel, Barzal, and Eberle, struggled badly with cap management for two teams, AND screwed up the easiest GMing job of all-time with McDavid on his team. He could be toxic after this, and may never get another NHL gig. It would be hard to see how anyone could overlook this.

Buuuuuut, that means he's likely feeling desperate. That's not usually the best state of mind for even good negotiators to go in to deals with...and Pete isn't known to be good at negotiating...



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I am torn on what to do with the #10. There are multiple hockey people who follow the draft that have said it drops off after 9. There is always a chance a player drops. TSN put up a mock draft and half of them are dmen and half are forwards. TSN has the Oilers picking Boqvist who's a right shooting, point producing dman. That is great. He's not a big dman so he will most likely need to put on some weight and bulk up to play in the NHL. On top of that, it usually takes dman longer to make the NHL jump than forwards because it's a harder position to play. ON top of that, he's playing in Sweden so he would have to at some point adjust to the NA game. So I would guess that he will play 2 more years before he turns North American pro. Then he probably will need at least a year of playing NA hockey to adjust, could be more. So it's probably realistic that he's at least 3 years away before even cracking the NHL. If he does it in 3 years, chances are he's not making much of an impact that first year. So maybe in year 4 you start to see something. So if TSN's mock draft is correct and the Oilers get Boqvist, I see him in a career path like Ryan Ellis. Ellis was a small, offensive dman. Went back to play 2 more years of junior so he turned pro at 20. Then spent the next 2 seasons splitting time in the NHL and AHL. His first full year in the NHL was the 13-14 season so 5 years after he was drafted.

So are the Oilers better off trading the #10 as part of a package to bring in a player that can jump into the line up and fill a hole immediately and fill that hole for the next 5 years or draft a guy that is maybe 4-5 yrs away from really making any sort of impact. I know there is the expansion in the near future but that is what, 3 years away? You definitely have to keep expansion in mind with moves you make but at the same time in my opinion, you can't let expansion keep you hostage from making any moves. A lot can happen in 3 years and there were several teams who most people thought were screwed expansion wise but they got out of it.



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I am torn on what to do with the #10. There are multiple hockey people who follow the draft that have said it drops off after 9. There is always a chance a player drops. TSN put up a mock draft and half of them are dmen and half are forwards. TSN has the Oilers picking Boqvist who's a right shooting, point producing dman. That is great. He's not a big dman so he will most likely need to put on some weight and bulk up to play in the NHL. On top of that, it usually takes dman longer to make the NHL jump than forwards because it's a harder position to play. ON top of that, he's playing in Sweden so he would have to at some point adjust to the NA game. So I would guess that he will play 2 more years before he turns North American pro. Then he probably will need at least a year of playing NA hockey to adjust, could be more. So it's probably realistic that he's at least 3 years away before even cracking the NHL. If he does it in 3 years, chances are he's not making much of an impact that first year. So maybe in year 4 you start to see something. So if TSN's mock draft is correct and the Oilers get Boqvist, I see him in a career path like Ryan Ellis. Ellis was a small, offensive dman. Went back to play 2 more years of junior so he turned pro at 20. Then spent the next 2 seasons splitting time in the NHL and AHL. His first full year in the NHL was the 13-14 season so 5 years after he was drafted.

So are the Oilers better off trading the #10 as part of a package to bring in a player that can jump into the line up and fill a hole immediately and fill that hole for the next 5 years or draft a guy that is maybe 4-5 yrs away from really making any sort of impact. I know there is the expansion in the near future but that is what, 3 years away? You definitely have to keep expansion in mind with moves you make but at the same time in my opinion, you can't let expansion keep you hostage from making any moves. A lot can happen in 3 years and there were several teams who most people thought were screwed expansion wise but they got out of it.


Wild crazy prediction of the day: If the Oilers trade this pick, Puljujarvi or Yamamoto for immediate help, they put themselves in to a position where next year they have no breathing room under the cap and are forced in to a trade they don't want to make (think Johnny Boychuk to the Islanders...)



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Adam wrote on Mon, 30 April 2018 09:46

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 30 April 2018 08:52

I am torn on what to do with the #10. There are multiple hockey people who follow the draft that have said it drops off after 9. There is always a chance a player drops. TSN put up a mock draft and half of them are dmen and half are forwards. TSN has the Oilers picking Boqvist who's a right shooting, point producing dman. That is great. He's not a big dman so he will most likely need to put on some weight and bulk up to play in the NHL. On top of that, it usually takes dman longer to make the NHL jump than forwards because it's a harder position to play. ON top of that, he's playing in Sweden so he would have to at some point adjust to the NA game. So I would guess that he will play 2 more years before he turns North American pro. Then he probably will need at least a year of playing NA hockey to adjust, could be more. So it's probably realistic that he's at least 3 years away before even cracking the NHL. If he does it in 3 years, chances are he's not making much of an impact that first year. So maybe in year 4 you start to see something. So if TSN's mock draft is correct and the Oilers get Boqvist, I see him in a career path like Ryan Ellis. Ellis was a small, offensive dman. Went back to play 2 more years of junior so he turned pro at 20. Then spent the next 2 seasons splitting time in the NHL and AHL. His first full year in the NHL was the 13-14 season so 5 years after he was drafted.

So are the Oilers better off trading the #10 as part of a package to bring in a player that can jump into the line up and fill a hole immediately and fill that hole for the next 5 years or draft a guy that is maybe 4-5 yrs away from really making any sort of impact. I know there is the expansion in the near future but that is what, 3 years away? You definitely have to keep expansion in mind with moves you make but at the same time in my opinion, you can't let expansion keep you hostage from making any moves. A lot can happen in 3 years and there were several teams who most people thought were screwed expansion wise but they got out of it.


Wild crazy prediction of the day: If the Oilers trade this pick, Puljujarvi or Yamamoto for immediate help, they put themselves in to a position where next year they have no breathing room under the cap and are forced in to a trade they don't want to make (think Johnny Boychuk to the Islanders...)

I don't think that will happen as Puljujarvi and Yamo are Chia drafted guys and I believe GM's hold onto the players they pick longer than players they don't draft. That being said, if what you said does happen, both Sekera and Russell's contracts go from a complete No Move to a modified after next season. Assuming they are both here this season, I think they are both gone after next season.



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Wild crazy prediction of the day: If the Oilers trade this pick, Puljujarvi or Yamamoto for immediate help, they put themselves in to a position where next year they have no breathing room under the cap and are forced in to a trade they don't want to make (think Johnny Boychuk to the Islanders...)

I don't think that will happen as Puljujarvi and Yamo are Chia drafted guys and I believe GM's hold onto the players they pick longer than players they don't draft. That being said, if what you said does happen, both Sekera and Russell's contracts go from a complete No Move to a modified after next season. Assuming they are both here this season, I think they are both gone after next season. [/quote]

Here's the problem:

- The Oilers are desperate to succeed and the GM is likely getting fired if this season happens again. They didn't make any meaningful changes at GM or coach, so status quo would be a pretty risky move. Making moves that don't work out, at least you can say you tried. Doing almost no moves on the hopes that the roster can be better this time? It's fully putting your neck on the line as the GM. Chiarelli is going to feel compelled to do SOMETHING.

- The team has identified (publicly again, because Oilers) their needs as a scoring winger and an offensive defenceman who can play on the PP. Those aren't pieces that come cheap.

- There's limited assets that fit the bill on the free agent market this year, and limited cap space to acquire them with.

- Prospect depth, and in fact depth at almost any position outside of fourth liners, isn't something the team is blessed with. To get what they want, they're going to have to give up a lot, but what's the list of players that we have that other teams would put a lot of value in? On forward, there's McDavid (who's untouchable). Nuge and Draisaitl who should be untouchable too. Khaira, Strome, Caggiula would get a little attention, but not bring in what you're looking for. There's not much else. Kassian makes too much for a fourth liner. Slepyshev is probably gone. Aberg, Rattie? Tweeners. No one gives up much for them. Lucic? You'd have to pay someone to take him now.

On defence, there's more that people would want - Larsson, Klefbom, Nurse & Benning all have value. I see us dealing Benning or Klefbom in any move as they're going to want to open up a spot. Russell and Sekera are both too expensive AND have NMCs. It will still be hard to trade them when those become limited NMCs because there's not going to be a lot of interest. Teams won't help us out of the goodness of their hearts.

Talbot could be moved, but that would be a huge hole.

So that leaves Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, the 1st round pick and maybe Ethan Bear among tradeable assets.

- Add to that the fact that any street vendor can out-negotiate Peter Chiarelli and every Oilers fan should be concerned. If we get a high end defenceman this summer, it could be at an ugly cost.




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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 30 April 2018 08:52

I am torn on what to do with the #10. There are multiple hockey people who follow the draft that have said it drops off after 9. There is always a chance a player drops. TSN put up a mock draft and half of them are dmen and half are forwards. TSN has the Oilers picking Boqvist who's a right shooting, point producing dman. That is great. He's not a big dman so he will most likely need to put on some weight and bulk up to play in the NHL. On top of that, it usually takes dman longer to make the NHL jump than forwards because it's a harder position to play. ON top of that, he's playing in Sweden so he would have to at some point adjust to the NA game. So I would guess that he will play 2 more years before he turns North American pro. Then he probably will need at least a year of playing NA hockey to adjust, could be more. So it's probably realistic that he's at least 3 years away before even cracking the NHL. If he does it in 3 years, chances are he's not making much of an impact that first year. So maybe in year 4 you start to see something. So if TSN's mock draft is correct and the Oilers get Boqvist, I see him in a career path like Ryan Ellis. Ellis was a small, offensive dman. Went back to play 2 more years of junior so he turned pro at 20. Then spent the next 2 seasons splitting time in the NHL and AHL. His first full year in the NHL was the 13-14 season so 5 years after he was drafted.

So are the Oilers better off trading the #10 as part of a package to bring in a player that can jump into the line up and fill a hole immediately and fill that hole for the next 5 years or draft a guy that is maybe 4-5 yrs away from really making any sort of impact. I know there is the expansion in the near future but that is what, 3 years away? You definitely have to keep expansion in mind with moves you make but at the same time in my opinion, you can't let expansion keep you hostage from making any moves. A lot can happen in 3 years and there were several teams who most people thought were screwed expansion wise but they got out of it.


a couple thoughts;
- I have heard the same thing about the top 8 or 9 players being the cut off before a big drop. I would have one, two players tops that I WANT. If one drops I take him, if they don't I have a trade I LIKE lined up to make as soon as those two are off the board.
My concern there is two fold, the Oilers ability to identify the player they want and the ability to make a good trade with the pick .
- Screw expansion. the Oilers need to build a winner now. They abviously arent concerned with long term issues or they wouldnt have made the signings they did. If expansion comes (and it will) deal with it then.



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PlusOne wrote on Mon, 30 April 2018 10:42

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 30 April 2018 08:52

I am torn on what to do with the #10. There are multiple hockey people who follow the draft that have said it drops off after 9. There is always a chance a player drops. TSN put up a mock draft and half of them are dmen and half are forwards. TSN has the Oilers picking Boqvist who's a right shooting, point producing dman. That is great. He's not a big dman so he will most likely need to put on some weight and bulk up to play in the NHL. On top of that, it usually takes dman longer to make the NHL jump than forwards because it's a harder position to play. ON top of that, he's playing in Sweden so he would have to at some point adjust to the NA game. So I would guess that he will play 2 more years before he turns North American pro. Then he probably will need at least a year of playing NA hockey to adjust, could be more. So it's probably realistic that he's at least 3 years away before even cracking the NHL. If he does it in 3 years, chances are he's not making much of an impact that first year. So maybe in year 4 you start to see something. So if TSN's mock draft is correct and the Oilers get Boqvist, I see him in a career path like Ryan Ellis. Ellis was a small, offensive dman. Went back to play 2 more years of junior so he turned pro at 20. Then spent the next 2 seasons splitting time in the NHL and AHL. His first full year in the NHL was the 13-14 season so 5 years after he was drafted.

So are the Oilers better off trading the #10 as part of a package to bring in a player that can jump into the line up and fill a hole immediately and fill that hole for the next 5 years or draft a guy that is maybe 4-5 yrs away from really making any sort of impact. I know there is the expansion in the near future but that is what, 3 years away? You definitely have to keep expansion in mind with moves you make but at the same time in my opinion, you can't let expansion keep you hostage from making any moves. A lot can happen in 3 years and there were several teams who most people thought were screwed expansion wise but they got out of it.


a couple thoughts;
- I have heard the same thing about the top 8 or 9 players being the cut off before a big drop. I would have one, two players tops that I WANT. If one drops I take him, if they don't I have a trade I LIKE lined up to make as soon as those two are off the board.
My concern there is two fold, the Oilers ability to identify the player they want and the ability to make a good trade with the pick .
- Screw expansion. the Oilers need to build a winner now. They abviously arent concerned with long term issues or they wouldnt have made the signings they did. If expansion comes (and it will) deal with it then.



I do agree with you on expansion. Yes it's important to plan for it but like I said it's probably 3 yrs away. you have to assume that Seattle seeing how Vegas did, will want the same rules in place. But in saying that, a lot can happen in 3 yrs. The roster in 3 yrs could look a lot different. Players we think today are locks to be guys you want to protect, in 3 yrs maybe aren't. Are their players they have already drafted who in 3 years make someone else expendable. We don't know who they will be drafting in the next 3 yrs who might take a spot and make someone else expendable.



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The more I read and hear about Adam Boqvist the more I like. Maybe more of a realistic target at #10 than another right hand shot defenseman like Evan Bouchard. Boqvist broke Erik Karlsson's goal record by a defenseman in his draft year in the Swedish U20 Super Elite League.

I'm leaning on keeping the pick even of the thougths of a major drop off after #9. I think it's more about not trusting Chiarelli to make a good trade.




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The more I think about it, the more I think they need to trade it as part of a package to bring something in. I say that because like I said, I don't think the roster is as bad as some people think it is. It's got holes no doubt but I look at the Avs and what they did. They were beyond bad last year made the playoffs this year. They made some tweaks to their roster but the bulk of the reason they did so well was their best players played a hell of a lot better and they got way better goaltending. So when I look at the Oilers and I think of all the players who had just bad years, one of being their starter. I wonder with some tweaks, why the Oilers can't rebound like the Avs because I think the Oilers have more high end pieces than the Avs do.


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Winnipeg missed the playoffs last season and with much improved goal tending this season are a contender. Hopefully Edmonton can do the same with some sensible moves, better coaching and goal tending.




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overdue wrote on Mon, 30 April 2018 18:04

Hopefully Edmonton can do the same with some sensible moves, better coaching and goal tending.

Hopefully I can win the lottery. Let's see who gets lucky first.



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overdue wrote on Mon, 30 April 2018 18:04

Winnipeg missed the playoffs last season and with much improved goal tending this season are a contender. Hopefully Edmonton can do the same with some sensible moves, better coaching and goal tending.



I am of the same mindset. 80% of the team had an off year. Could some of the players struggles be because of the coaching? You bet but it's also right at the feet of the players as well. When the huge majority of your team had a bad year all at once, you won't win. So in my opinion, there is a good chance that a good chunk of the players can at least bounce back to having even a mediocre year. So if that happens, the Oilers even if they do nothing with the roster will be better. Their special teams were near the bottom of the league all season. They have swapped out all the assistants. So chances are, even with the exact same roster, their special teams will be better. If they have better special teams, even if all they are is middle of the pack, they will win more games. Then as you said the goaltending. The Oilers I think were at the bottom of the league in save percentage for much of the season. Thanks to a good finish by Talbot, I believe the rose a bit but were still near the bottom. Thanks to a really good finish, Talbot finished with a .908 and a 3.02. That is a full 10 pts from his career average and more than half a goal a game worse. That's significant. Talbot was really good opening night but he was bad against the Canucks and that was game 2. His struggles continued from game 2 on. I know Talbot supposedly had some small injuries at some point in the season but he was already bad starting game 2. So I don't know what the problem was with him but from basically the start, he was off. With a full offseason to think about it, with fans and media wondering all season about if he is the answer, all the talk about needing a better back up (they need one) to take away games from him and in a contract year, there is a real good chance we will see a full really motivated Talbot. SO even if the Oilers did nothing with their roster, if they get more consistent goaltending, they will be a lot better.



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The Avalanche added 132 goals to their GF/GA last year. They only added 17 goals through player trades and acquisitions. Which makes that even more amazing.

So what changed?

Assistant coaches:

https://milehighsticking.com/2017/05/23/colorado-avalanche-c oaching-changes-signal-new-direction/


That increase is a mystery.

[Updated on: Tue, 01 May 2018 11:08]


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2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!

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Which assistant coach is heading up their farm team now?


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overdue wrote on Mon, 30 April 2018 18:04

Winnipeg missed the playoffs last season and with much improved goal tending this season are a contender. Hopefully Edmonton can do the same with some sensible moves, better coaching and goal tending.




A bump in special teams play to even average would probably put the team into the wildcard conversation. Goaltending was part of the PK issue, but good grief, special teams cost the Oilers dearly this past year.



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