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 Hall for Ceci [message #706406]
Thu, 04 January 2018 08:33 Go to next message
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Dreger on the radio this morning said Oilers and Ottawa almost completed a 1 for 1 trade:

Taylor Hall for Cody Ceci



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 Re: Hall for Ceci [message #706407 is a reply to message #706406 ]
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Moved to Speculation...

If true, I guess we shouldn't complain about the Larsson trade?

Surely there should have been more parts involved from Ottawa's side.

Then again, we are talking about the incompetent managerial core of the Oilers, so I can nearly believe anything.



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 Re: Hall for Ceci [message #706408 is a reply to message #706406 ]
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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 08:33

Dreger on the radio this morning said Oilers and Ottawa almost completed a 1 for 1 trade:

Taylor Hall for Cody Ceci


It's not THAT dissimilar from what actually happened. Larsson scores about the same rate. They're both fairly big, right shot defencemen who are fairly solid defensively. Ceci's a year younger, but doesn't have the same draft pedigree (he was 15th overall in 2012, as opposed to 4th overall in 2011).

It just shows again that Chiarelli A) isn't very good at evaluating what his assets are worth and B) isn't very good at using leverage in a deal. If this is accurate, and he REALLY believed that he needed one of those two players, then he should have played the GMs of Ottawa and New Jersey off against each other to an extent and not made a deal until one agreed to add to the other side of the scale.

It is clear, he's not a good negotiator. We just have to hope the team doesn't let him make any more trades.



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 Re: Hall for Ceci [message #706410 is a reply to message #706406 ]
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hehe, heard this this morning too. Ottawa couldn't get their approvals before Chia flipped and pulled the trigger on Hall for Larsson? Chia musta had a hot date or something if that's true. And Ottawa sens are run like the government down there apparently.


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 Re: Hall for Ceci [message #706411 is a reply to message #706410 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 09:13

hehe, heard this this morning too. Ottawa couldn't get their approvals before Chia flipped and pulled the trigger on Hall for Larsson? Chia musta had a hot date or something if that's true. And Ottawa sens are run like the government down there apparently.


Here's the pathetic thing. Two teams at the table, both offering a defensive defenceman for a star left winger...and Chiarelli couldn't convince EITHER of them to throw even a 6th round pick in to the deal.

That's so incredibly pathetic.

I wish they'd still been doing Oil Change. It would have been depressingly funny to watch him squander the asset on camera.



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 Re: Hall for Ceci [message #706412 is a reply to message #706411 ]
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Adam wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 09:15

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 09:13

hehe, heard this this morning too. Ottawa couldn't get their approvals before Chia flipped and pulled the trigger on Hall for Larsson? Chia musta had a hot date or something if that's true. And Ottawa sens are run like the government down there apparently.


Here's the pathetic thing. Two teams at the table, both offering a defensive defenceman for a star left winger...and Chiarelli couldn't convince EITHER of them to throw even a 6th round pick in to the deal.

That's so incredibly pathetic.

I wish they'd still been doing Oil Change. It would have been depressingly funny to watch him squander the asset on camera.


Well, he only really had 1 deal on the table that passed through the necessary approval processes. And I would guess some DDD's waiting for him for dinner. Priorities.



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 Re: Hall for Ceci [message #706427 is a reply to message #706406 ]
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I heard from a very reliable source that the deal didn't go through because Chiarelli actually mistakenly called a Mexican number and no transaction was done.

Peter Chiarelli: "Hello? Hey we are looking to trade Hall, what can you give us?"

Not Bryan Murray: "Si Si Senior!"

Peter Chiarelli : "Ceci? Deal!"

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 Re: Hall for Ceci [message #706452 is a reply to message #706406 ]
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Dreger showing why it's gonna be a sad day when McKenzie retires and he is one of the top, if not the go-to "insider" on TSN.

https://www.fanragsports.com/dreger-elaborates-on-hall-for-c eci-trade-comments/

Basically he just made up the story of the deal that was stuck in a chain of command in Ottawa. He really has no clue what was offered or what was on the table or how many teams were involved.

So much junk has come out of Dreger about the Oilers over the last few years. He needs to stick to Toronto.

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 Re: Hall for Ceci [message #706503 is a reply to message #706452 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 17:47

Dreger showing why it's gonna be a sad day when McKenzie retires and he is one of the top, if not the go-to "insider" on TSN.

https://www.fanragsports.com/dreger-elaborates-on-hall-for-c eci-trade-comments/

Basically he just made up the story of the deal that was stuck in a chain of command in Ottawa. He really has no clue what was offered or what was on the table or how many teams were involved.

So much junk has come out of Dreger about the Oilers over the last few years. He needs to stick to Toronto.


I don't know - he doesn't really back off it there. He says that it was being discussed, that it was a fairly advanced discussion. He says that the information he had out of Alberta was that they were very close to completing that trade. That fits with three things we know:

1) The Oilers were clearly seeking a player in that mold. Despite all the rage here yesterday, the gap between Larsson and Ceci isn't very big. He's right shot, and he's the player type that Chiarelli really likes. Tough, mean, more focused on defence than offence.

2) Ceci still would have fit with what Stauffer and Rishaug were repeatedly saying (with clear marching orders) all that week preceding the trade - it was a player who wasn't on the rumours radar screen, and the Oilers would likely have to make a big overpay to get him.

3) Information is ALWAYS leaking out of the Oilers head office. For him to have "information that (he) was collecting out of Alberta" isn't surprising at all. It could potentially have been from Rishaug, but that's unlikely since Rishaug's deal with Chiarelli was so clearly to carry water for the GM in exchange for the scoop. It's unlikely he'd share with another colleague who'd love another scoop.

If I was Ottawa, I'd be really annoyed by this because it's involving a player still on the roster and saying that the team almost had him dealt away. It's just another window in to an ineffective general manager here, but who didn't know he was crap at his job already?




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 Re: Hall for Ceci [message #706504 is a reply to message #706503 ]
Fri, 05 January 2018 09:01 Go to previous message
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Adam wrote on Fri, 05 January 2018 08:54

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 17:47

Dreger showing why it's gonna be a sad day when McKenzie retires and he is one of the top, if not the go-to "insider" on TSN.

https://www.fanragsports.com/dreger-elaborates-on-hall-for-c eci-trade-comments/

Basically he just made up the story of the deal that was stuck in a chain of command in Ottawa. He really has no clue what was offered or what was on the table or how many teams were involved.

So much junk has come out of Dreger about the Oilers over the last few years. He needs to stick to Toronto.


I don't know - he doesn't really back off it there. He says that it was being discussed, that it was a fairly advanced discussion. He says that the information he had out of Alberta was that they were very close to completing that trade. That fits with three things we know:

1) The Oilers were clearly seeking a player in that mold. Despite all the rage here yesterday, the gap between Larsson and Ceci isn't very big. He's right shot, and he's the player type that Chiarelli really likes. Tough, mean, more focused on defence than offence.

2) Ceci still would have fit with what Stauffer and Rishaug were repeatedly saying (with clear marching orders) all that week preceding the trade - it was a player who wasn't on the rumours radar screen, and the Oilers would likely have to make a big overpay to get him.

3) Information is ALWAYS leaking out of the Oilers head office. For him to have "information that (he) was collecting out of Alberta" isn't surprising at all. It could potentially have been from Rishaug, but that's unlikely since Rishaug's deal with Chiarelli was so clearly to carry water for the GM in exchange for the scoop. It's unlikely he'd share with another colleague who'd love another scoop.

If I was Ottawa, I'd be really annoyed by this because it's involving a player still on the roster and saying that the team almost had him dealt away. It's just another window in to an ineffective general manager here, but who didn't know he was crap at his job already?




I think his story about how the Oilers were about to deal for Ceci and while Ottawa was trying to get approvals, Chia flipped to NJ was a fabrication though. What he was describing was actually a modified story about his own experience. He was running around trying to get info on what Chia was doing, he got a tidbit about Ottawa and then the NJ deal happened.

Now he broadens the story basically to he had no idea what was really happening or how many teams were involved in Hall discussions.



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