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So, the HNIC guys (Kypreos) speculated that the Oilers and Senators might have already discussed a deal to bring Mike Hoffman to the Oilers. Apparently, the Sens are having money issues and the owner would like them to trim payroll.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/senators-consider-drastic -roster-changes-miss-playoffs/

This one leaves me baffled. The Oilers moved Eberle (a comparable player) and got middling return. We were told most of the reasoning behind the trade was that he was making too much money. So you turn around and immediately make a trade for somebody making almost as much?

I'm guessing the cost will be more than what they got for Eberle, and it sounds like the Sens want prospects and picks back. Eberle also plays a position they actually need, Hoffman is LW of which the Oilers already have too many. Would they actually give up significant future pieces for an expensive forward 6 months after they moved a forward out for being too expensive?



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NetBOG wrote on Sun, 17 December 2017 01:30

So, the HNIC guys (Kypreos) speculated that the Oilers and Senators might have already discussed a deal to bring Mike Hoffman to the Oilers. Apparently, the Sens are having money issues and the owner would like them to trim payroll.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/senators-consider-drastic -roster-changes-miss-playoffs/

This one leaves me baffled. The Oilers moved Eberle (a comparable player) and got middling return. We were told most of the reasoning behind the trade was that he was making too much money. So you turn around and immediately make a trade for somebody making almost as much?

I'm guessing the cost will be more than what they got for Eberle, and it sounds like the Sens want prospects and picks back. Eberle also plays a position they actually need, Hoffman is LW of which the Oilers already have too many. Would they actually give up significant future pieces for an expensive forward 6 months after they moved a forward out for being too expensive?


Probably roots from our desperation for a good shooter, especially on the PP. Hoffman has a rocket, and a great 1-timer. Definitely agree about his price tag though. With his performance so far this year, I think he's pretty pricey. He's also a zero contact floater type of player, so if he is struggling to score, he will be Eberle 2.0 in the eyes of fans.



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I still can't believe we traded Eberle for that steaming load. Based on his WJHC history alone you know he is a player that relishes pressure spots. I can see him scoring a cup winner for the Islanders.


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Babaganoosh wrote on Sun, 17 December 2017 16:08

I still can't believe we traded Eberle for that steaming load. Based on his WJHC history alone you know he is a player that relishes pressure spots. I can see him scoring a cup winner for the Islanders.


Oh yeah, the relish was just oozing out of him during those 2 playoffs rounds last summer icon_wink

Let's not pretend WJHC from 10 years ago has any more relevance now. That's kids hockey with no one playing defence.

He's NYI's 5th best forward, and rocking an unsustainable shooting %. We definitely lost the trade, but Ebs is pretty much the same guy we saw for the last few years. Just a good run of luck to start the year, and probably pushed a bit with the power of spite.

THe real boost for the Islanders this year is JT looking at McDavid's contract and realizing he can be a 12M man next summer.

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Babaganoosh wrote on Sun, 17 December 2017 16:08

I still can't believe we traded Eberle for that steaming load. Based on his WJHC history alone you know he is a player that relishes pressure spots. I can see him scoring a cup winner for the Islanders.


I honestly can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not confused2



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philly boy wrote on Tue, 06 February 2018 21:10

Babaganoosh wrote on Sun, 17 December 2017 16:08

I still can't believe we traded Eberle for that steaming load. Based on his WJHC history alone you know he is a player that relishes pressure spots. I can see him scoring a cup winner for the Islanders.


I honestly can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not confused2


It's fun that the Islanders are right on the edge of cap hell and might not even make the playoffs this year with their loaded offence.

Forgot about the D. Although I'm not sure if Dougie actually cares about D. Ebs is in heaven this year getting to just free wheel without a care in the world about his own end. And Barzal is happy to carry the play for him all night.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 06 February 2018 21:23

philly boy wrote on Tue, 06 February 2018 21:10

Babaganoosh wrote on Sun, 17 December 2017 16:08

I still can't believe we traded Eberle for that steaming load. Based on his WJHC history alone you know he is a player that relishes pressure spots. I can see him scoring a cup winner for the Islanders.


I honestly can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not confused2


It's fun that the Islanders are right on the edge of cap hell and might not even make the playoffs this year with their loaded offence.

Forgot about the D. Although I'm not sure if Dougie actually cares about D. Ebs is in heaven this year getting to just free wheel without a care in the world about his own end. And Barzal is happy to carry the play for him all night.


Pfffft....Barzal. I would have chosen Erickson-Ek over him anyhow.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 06 February 2018 21:27

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 06 February 2018 21:23

philly boy wrote on Tue, 06 February 2018 21:10

Babaganoosh wrote on Sun, 17 December 2017 16:08

I still can't believe we traded Eberle for that steaming load. Based on his WJHC history alone you know he is a player that relishes pressure spots. I can see him scoring a cup winner for the Islanders.


I honestly can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not confused2


It's fun that the Islanders are right on the edge of cap hell and might not even make the playoffs this year with their loaded offence.

Forgot about the D. Although I'm not sure if Dougie actually cares about D. Ebs is in heaven this year getting to just free wheel without a care in the world about his own end. And Barzal is happy to carry the play for him all night.


Pfffft....Barzal. I would have chosen Erickson-Ek over him anyhow.


It's not like this team needed any right handed skill player that skate like the wind or anything back in the summer of 2015. One Letestu is plenty.

And there is no way we should have picked a right handed sniper guy with great chemistry with our new future of the franchise too with a 2nd round pick. This org does believe in acting on hunches and coincidences, but seems it only applies to bathroom encounters for MacT and Oil Kings players.

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Hearing it is Hoffman & Condon, an AHL player (for contract purposes) coming our way.

Hearing Strome, Benning & Brossoit, plus a pick (i would guess a 2nd) are the main pieces going the other way.

Heard this from a scout and GM in WHL.



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Jakey wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 08:46

Hearing it is Hoffman & Condon, an AHL player (for contract purposes) coming our way.

Hearing Strome, Benning & Brossoit, plus a pick (i would guess a 2nd) are the main pieces going the other way.

Heard this from a scout and GM in WHL.


Interesting move if that's how it works. Sucks to give Benning up, but Ottawa has to get at least 1 young cheap guy with good potential.

Gotta think that is the end of Maroon here. Wonder if we can sell "high" on Maroon and somehow get a decent RHD (probably just 3rd pairing) to replace Benning.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 09:18

Jakey wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 08:46

Hearing it is Hoffman & Condon, an AHL player (for contract purposes) coming our way.

Hearing Strome, Benning & Brossoit, plus a pick (i would guess a 2nd) are the main pieces going the other way.

Heard this from a scout and GM in WHL.


Interesting move if that's how it works. Sucks to give Benning up, but Ottawa has to get at least 1 young cheap guy with good potential.

Gotta think that is the end of Maroon here. Wonder if we can sell "high" on Maroon and somehow get a decent RHD (probably just 3rd pairing) to replace Benning.



I still look at Alex Petrovic as a guy who could probably be had for cheap and really contribute. Doubt FLA has any interest in Maroon though.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 09:18

Jakey wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 08:46

Hearing it is Hoffman & Condon, an AHL player (for contract purposes) coming our way.

Hearing Strome, Benning & Brossoit, plus a pick (i would guess a 2nd) are the main pieces going the other way.

Heard this from a scout and GM in WHL.


Interesting move if that's how it works. Sucks to give Benning up, but Ottawa has to get at least 1 young cheap guy with good potential.

Gotta think that is the end of Maroon here. Wonder if we can sell "high" on Maroon and somehow get a decent RHD (probably just 3rd pairing) to replace Benning.



Seems like a lot of cash to bring in, still doesn't address the RH side. Funny to trade Eberle for Strome then ship him out for someone that costs almost as much as him in a position that we have lots of already. Probably no intention then of signing Maroon. Also is Condon any better then Brossoit?


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$2.5+$1.075+$.750=$4.325M

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Jakey wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 08:46

Hearing it is Hoffman & Condon, an AHL player (for contract purposes) coming our way.

Hearing Strome, Benning & Brossoit, plus a pick (i would guess a 2nd) are the main pieces going the other way.

Heard this from a scout and GM in WHL.


Makes sense, given needs of the Oilers and players to be moved. I do expect a defenseman moved to open a space for Sekera.

But man, I don't love Benning being the one to go. If you consider Gryba to be AHL-bound, that leaves one RH shot on Oilers defense. Add in that Benning is one of the better puck movers in a group that really lacks that, and he isn't the one I'd most like to move. It really contributes to an unbalanced group. (Makes you wonder if he'd be in trade talks at all without Kris Russell and his NTC).

Also, if Hoffman is Eberle 2.0, it means that to get an Eberle-type back, we are essentially giving up Benning as well. That's a fair return, but absolutely the type of return the Oilers should have demanded in the summer (think Del Colle and Strome).



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mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 09:21

Jakey wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 08:46

Hearing it is Hoffman & Condon, an AHL player (for contract purposes) coming our way.

Hearing Strome, Benning & Brossoit, plus a pick (i would guess a 2nd) are the main pieces going the other way.

Heard this from a scout and GM in WHL.


Makes sense, given needs of the Oilers and players to be moved. I do expect a defenseman moved to open a space for Sekera.

But man, I don't love Benning being the one to go. If you consider Gryba to be AHL-bound, that leaves one RH shot on Oilers defense. Add in that Benning is one of the better puck movers in a group that really lacks that, and he isn't the one I'd most like to move. It really contributes to an unbalanced group. (Makes you wonder if he'd be in trade talks at all without Kris Russell and his NTC).

Also, if Hoffman is Eberle 2.0, it means that to get an Eberle-type back, we are essentially giving up Benning as well. That's a fair return, but absolutely the type of return the Oilers should have demanded in the summer (think Del Colle and Strome).


I am licking my chops a bit at the idea of a Hoffman-McDavid-Pulju line. Hoffman is more of a long range shooter than Eberle. The guy can full windup blast it from anywhere very quickly while Eberle likes to sneak his way in close and get a wrister or backhand off. Pulju can hammer the puck from anywhere too. Imagine we would be looking at something like Tampa's top line with multiple high end long range snipers.

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 09:35

mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 09:21

Jakey wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 08:46

Hearing it is Hoffman & Condon, an AHL player (for contract purposes) coming our way.

Hearing Strome, Benning & Brossoit, plus a pick (i would guess a 2nd) are the main pieces going the other way.

Heard this from a scout and GM in WHL.


Makes sense, given needs of the Oilers and players to be moved. I do expect a defenseman moved to open a space for Sekera.

But man, I don't love Benning being the one to go. If you consider Gryba to be AHL-bound, that leaves one RH shot on Oilers defense. Add in that Benning is one of the better puck movers in a group that really lacks that, and he isn't the one I'd most like to move. It really contributes to an unbalanced group. (Makes you wonder if he'd be in trade talks at all without Kris Russell and his NTC).

Also, if Hoffman is Eberle 2.0, it means that to get an Eberle-type back, we are essentially giving up Benning as well. That's a fair return, but absolutely the type of return the Oilers should have demanded in the summer (think Del Colle and Strome).


I am licking my chops a bit at the idea of a Hoffman-McDavid-Pulju line. Hoffman is more of a long range shooter than Eberle. The guy can full windup blast it from anywhere very quickly while Eberle likes to sneak his way in close and get a wrister or backhand off. Pulju can hammer the puck from anywhere too. Imagine we would be looking at something like Tampa's top line with multiple high end long range snipers.



I agree with you. Hoffman is a different player than Eberle. Like you said, he is way more of a long ranger shooter than Eberle plus Hoffman shoots way more. in 31 games, Hoffman has 109 shots. so 3.5 per game. Eberle in 33 games has 71 shots, so barely over 2 shots a game. For a goal scorer , I never understood why Eberle didn't shoot more. Plus Eberle drove me nuts with his unwillingness to shoot quickly as an Oiler and how often he would pass up great scoring chances to dangle. What Hoffman would definitely bring is a lot more speed than Eberle as I think the Oilers need more speed on the wings.



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Jakey wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 08:46

Hearing it is Hoffman & Condon, an AHL player (for contract purposes) coming our way.

Hearing Strome, Benning & Brossoit, plus a pick (i would guess a 2nd) are the main pieces going the other way.

Heard this from a scout and GM in WHL.

If that trade actually happened, that would be a very interesting trade. Condon would be a clear upgrade on the back up. A bit on the expensive side but he's has proven on multiple teams that he can come in, give you quality back up play and even push your starter. Hoffman would replace Maroon who I don't see them bringing back. As much as I like Maroon, he looks to be a product of McDavid and I think some team will throw 4+ mill at him and that is WAY too much. Plus with Lucic here, I think you need someone with more speed in your top 6 and Hoffman would bring that. Brossoit is still just so much of a mystery. At times he can look good but you can't trust him. Strome is a top 9 forward who should be a top 6 but for whatever reason can't do it. I like Benning, I would hate to see him go but he's a 3rd pairing dman. That isn't meant as a knock because I think he is a good 3rd pairing guy. I thought maybe he had a chance to be a #4 but I don't see it.




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This trade is a clear demonstration of seller's remorse. At least management can see that they effed up. That's a start, right?


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Magnum wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 10:42

This trade is a clear demonstration of seller's remorse. At least management can see that they effed up. That's a start, right?


Funny part is that Strome is playing for us exactly like he always has. Can probably watch any video of a Strome game from the last few years and he would look exactly the same as he does in an Oilers jersey.

Any pro scouts fired lately?



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 10:53

Magnum wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 10:42

This trade is a clear demonstration of seller's remorse. At least management can see that they effed up. That's a start, right?


Funny part is that Strome is playing for us exactly like he always has. Can probably watch any video of a Strome game from the last few years and he would look exactly the same as he does in an Oilers jersey.

Any pro scouts fired lately?


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Magnum wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 10:59

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 10:53

Magnum wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 10:42

This trade is a clear demonstration of seller's remorse. At least management can see that they effed up. That's a start, right?


Funny part is that Strome is playing for us exactly like he always has. Can probably watch any video of a Strome game from the last few years and he would look exactly the same as he does in an Oilers jersey.

Any pro scouts fired lately?


They did their job, they scouted the cap savings!

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Let's all hope that Ottawa values unused cap space as much as we did last summer :)



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 12:43

Magnum wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 10:59

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 10:53

Magnum wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 10:42

This trade is a clear demonstration of seller's remorse. At least management can see that they effed up. That's a start, right?


Funny part is that Strome is playing for us exactly like he always has. Can probably watch any video of a Strome game from the last few years and he would look exactly the same as he does in an Oilers jersey.

Any pro scouts fired lately?


They did their job, they scouted the cap savings!

Win!


Let's all hope that Ottawa values unused cap space as much as we did last summer :)


I really want someone to do the math on that one, extra cap space = X.

Right now the goal differential is in favor of Eberle by 9, so $3,500,000 in cap space is worth 22 goals! Based on an extrapolated full year.




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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 09:53

Magnum wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 10:42

This trade is a clear demonstration of seller's remorse. At least management can see that they effed up. That's a start, right?


Funny part is that Strome is playing for us exactly like he always has. Can probably watch any video of a Strome game from the last few years and he would look exactly the same as he does in an Oilers jersey.

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Magnum wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 10:42

This trade is a clear demonstration of seller's remorse. At least management can see that they effed up. That's a start, right?


I mean I'd rather them not much dumb decisions in the first place but at least they've learnt to cut their losses rather than keep hammering a square peg due to pride/ego/stubbornness.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 10:32

Hoffman's goals from last year for anyone interested



Almost all are 1-timers.


I like how the first goal in this video is against us followed by the announcer saying "and Hoffman's off the schneid" typical icon_rolleyes

The guy can shoot it that's for sure, lots of PP goals which we could use but hope he can produce some at evens too. Also looks like he plays on the same side as McDavid on the PP so if he's the trigger man and McD is the set up man not sure how that will work.



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Been thinking about this one a bunch this week. The first thought is that it doesn't make sense because he's another left winger, but the more I think about it, he fills a need here.

Patrick Maroon is looking at a significant payday this summer. He's looking at a 20+ goal, 40 +point season again, and so he'd be foolish to do anything but cash in on that this summer. Careers are short, and one bad year and he could be out of the league so he's got to make his money while he can.

Hoffman's a different player. He's more highly skilled than anyone we have on the left flank right now. He's a year and a half younger than Maroon, coming off a 62-point season. He's undoubtedly disappointed with his year-to-date results, but he's on a team in melt-down. That happens.

Unlike Maroon, Hoffman is under contract for another two years at $5,187,500/year. He's cheaper than Lucic and he brings more to the table. Ideally, you could send Lucic the other way, but the no-move clause and the disaster that is Ottawa means that's never going to happen. With Ottawa blowing it up, maybe you can get him for picks and prospects and use up the cap space. Means Mike Cammalleri is done here, but who cares. If you're icing three decent left-wingers, with our three really good centers, then you should be able to do some damage. Would certainly provide a boost.

Now as long as Chia can do it without giving up Nugent-Hopkins, Klefbom or some other key piece in an ill-conceived one-for-one deal...



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I think in general, the Oilers need to move on from Maroon. I think some team will easily give him 4.5 mill which is too much. As much as I like him a lot, they need more speed on the wings. I think if you have Lucic patrolling on one wing and then a more speedier guy on another wing, you'd have a good balance.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 19 December 2017 08:22

I think in general, the Oilers need to move on from Maroon. I think some team will easily give him 4.5 mill which is too much. As much as I like him a lot, they need more speed on the wings. I think if you have Lucic patrolling on one wing and then a more speedier guy on another wing, you'd have a good balance.


I think that decision is already made which is why they moved him off the McD line and you haven't heard a peep on contract convo in a while since the contract negotiations not going well comments a few months back.



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Mullet wrote on Tue, 19 December 2017 08:43

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 19 December 2017 08:22

I think in general, the Oilers need to move on from Maroon. I think some team will easily give him 4.5 mill which is too much. As much as I like him a lot, they need more speed on the wings. I think if you have Lucic patrolling on one wing and then a more speedier guy on another wing, you'd have a good balance.


I think that decision is already made which is why they moved him off the McD line and you haven't heard a peep on contract convo in a while since the contract negotiations not going well comments a few months back.

I am of the belief that at the start of the season, it was going to be Maroon or Nuge as you couldn't afford to keep both. My companies second in command is good friends with the dad of Nuge's girlfriend, he's been with the same girl since he was in Red Deer. According to the Dad, Nuge and his agent talked after the playoffs about his future. They looked at the Oilers cap, looked at Nuge's contract and given how he played the last few years, they were basically preparing for what they thought was a given that he would be gone after this season. With the cap going up and given that Nuge finally looks like the Nuge we all thought he was, I think everything has changed and Nuge is staying. I can't see how you can get rid of him and with the 3 centers looking this good, they would be nuts to trade him.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 19 December 2017 08:51

Mullet wrote on Tue, 19 December 2017 08:43

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 19 December 2017 08:22

I think in general, the Oilers need to move on from Maroon. I think some team will easily give him 4.5 mill which is too much. As much as I like him a lot, they need more speed on the wings. I think if you have Lucic patrolling on one wing and then a more speedier guy on another wing, you'd have a good balance.


I think that decision is already made which is why they moved him off the McD line and you haven't heard a peep on contract convo in a while since the contract negotiations not going well comments a few months back.

I am of the belief that at the start of the season, it was going to be Maroon or Nuge as you couldn't afford to keep both. My companies second in command is good friends with the dad of Nuge's girlfriend, he's been with the same girl since he was in Red Deer. According to the Dad, Nuge and his agent talked after the playoffs about his future. They looked at the Oilers cap, looked at Nuge's contract and given how he played the last few years, they were basically preparing for what they thought was a given that he would be gone after this season. With the cap going up and given that Nuge finally looks like the Nuge we all thought he was, I think everything has changed and Nuge is staying. I can't see how you can get rid of him and with the 3 centers looking this good, they would be nuts to trade him.


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Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 22 December 2017 09:35

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 19 December 2017 08:51

Mullet wrote on Tue, 19 December 2017 08:43

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 19 December 2017 08:22

I think in general, the Oilers need to move on from Maroon. I think some team will easily give him 4.5 mill which is too much. As much as I like him a lot, they need more speed on the wings. I think if you have Lucic patrolling on one wing and then a more speedier guy on another wing, you'd have a good balance.


I think that decision is already made which is why they moved him off the McD line and you haven't heard a peep on contract convo in a while since the contract negotiations not going well comments a few months back.

I am of the belief that at the start of the season, it was going to be Maroon or Nuge as you couldn't afford to keep both. My companies second in command is good friends with the dad of Nuge's girlfriend, he's been with the same girl since he was in Red Deer. According to the Dad, Nuge and his agent talked after the playoffs about his future. They looked at the Oilers cap, looked at Nuge's contract and given how he played the last few years, they were basically preparing for what they thought was a given that he would be gone after this season. With the cap going up and given that Nuge finally looks like the Nuge we all thought he was, I think everything has changed and Nuge is staying. I can't see how you can get rid of him and with the 3 centers looking this good, they would be nuts to trade him.


Hahaha they wouldn't be nuts to trade.. um.. to.. to trade..
http://lowetide.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/mact-lowe-howson-620x360.jpg

Uhhh, these guys are still part of the mix aren't they?

No chance. No professionally run franchise would ever keep the executives responsible for missing the playoffs in 10 consecutive season employed. That simply would defy reason and logic.



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Any news on this trade?


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Magnum wrote on Fri, 22 December 2017 10:25

Any news on this trade?

Trade freeze is on till the 28th I believe



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Magnum wrote on Fri, 22 December 2017 10:25

Any news on this trade?

I can't imagine a trade of this magnitude gets leaked in detail before it happens. Anyway, the Christmas roster freeze is on until the 28th, so no news is permitted until then (unless the Oilers decide to hold a practice Monday morning).



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Mullet wrote on Tue, 19 December 2017 08:43

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 19 December 2017 08:22

I think in general, the Oilers need to move on from Maroon. I think some team will easily give him 4.5 mill which is too much. As much as I like him a lot, they need more speed on the wings. I think if you have Lucic patrolling on one wing and then a more speedier guy on another wing, you'd have a good balance.


I think that decision is already made which is why they moved him off the McD line and you haven't heard a peep on contract convo in a while since the contract negotiations not going well comments a few months back.


It's too bad. He has good hands and is a decent playmaker for a big guy. Even last night, it was his entry into the Blues zone and his delay and pass that set up the eventual game winner. That he fights and plays the role of pest is bonus.

I'm not sure it's the right decision to sign him or not, and I think you place priority on keeping RNH, but all things equal, I would have preferred Maroon at 4.5 than Lucic at 6.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 21:55

Been thinking about this one a bunch this week. The first thought is that it doesn't make sense because he's another left winger, but the more I think about it, he fills a need here.

Patrick Maroon is looking at a significant payday this summer. He's looking at a 20+ goal, 40 +point season again, and so he'd be foolish to do anything but cash in on that this summer. Careers are short, and one bad year and he could be out of the league so he's got to make his money while he can.

Hoffman's a different player. He's more highly skilled than anyone we have on the left flank right now. He's a year and a half younger than Maroon, coming off a 62-point season. He's undoubtedly disappointed with his year-to-date results, but he's on a team in melt-down. That happens.

Unlike Maroon, Hoffman is under contract for another two years at $5,187,500/year. He's cheaper than Lucic and he brings more to the table. Ideally, you could send Lucic the other way, but the no-move clause and the disaster that is Ottawa means that's never going to happen. With Ottawa blowing it up, maybe you can get him for picks and prospects and use up the cap space. Means Mike Cammalleri is done here, but who cares. If you're icing three decent left-wingers, with our three really good centers, then you should be able to do some damage. Would certainly provide a boost.

Now as long as Chia can do it without giving up Nugent-Hopkins, Klefbom or some other key piece in an ill-conceived one-for-one deal...


Heh, Travis Yost (blech) mentions just that on TSN today. Discusses how a Nuge for Hoffman swap makes sense for both teams.
I'd sure as hell hope that we'd get additional pieces in return for Nuge, but who knows with Chia.



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 15 February 2018 12:23

Adam wrote on Mon, 18 December 2017 21:55

Been thinking about this one a bunch this week. The first thought is that it doesn't make sense because he's another left winger, but the more I think about it, he fills a need here.

Patrick Maroon is looking at a significant payday this summer. He's looking at a 20+ goal, 40 +point season again, and so he'd be foolish to do anything but cash in on that this summer. Careers are short, and one bad year and he could be out of the league so he's got to make his money while he can.

Hoffman's a different player. He's more highly skilled than anyone we have on the left flank right now. He's a year and a half younger than Maroon, coming off a 62-point season. He's undoubtedly disappointed with his year-to-date results, but he's on a team in melt-down. That happens.

Unlike Maroon, Hoffman is under contract for another two years at $5,187,500/year. He's cheaper than Lucic and he brings more to the table. Ideally, you could send Lucic the other way, but the no-move clause and the disaster that is Ottawa means that's never going to happen. With Ottawa blowing it up, maybe you can get him for picks and prospects and use up the cap space. Means Mike Cammalleri is done here, but who cares. If you're icing three decent left-wingers, with our three really good centers, then you should be able to do some damage. Would certainly provide a boost.

Now as long as Chia can do it without giving up Nugent-Hopkins, Klefbom or some other key piece in an ill-conceived one-for-one deal...


Heh, Travis Yost (blech) mentions just that on TSN today. Discusses how a Nuge for Hoffman swap makes sense for both teams.
I'd sure as hell hope that we'd get additional pieces in return for Nuge, but who knows with Chia.


So we trade Nuge for a winger, without ever trying Nuge on the wing himself.

That's just stupid. It just seems so clear that Nuge could be a better winger. All he's really done well this year is shoot the puck, and it has actually paid off. He's still a mediocre center and not a very strong playmaker. McLellan compared him to Pavelski, but yeah, let's never ever try him on the wing.



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