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https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/blog-group-a-skaters-take-th e-ice/c-291073752?tid=281885062

....Strome with Maroon and McDavid to get things going.....
....no reports of anyone not showing up or not passing their medicals
....apparently Benning is paired with Russell on Defense...





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I know that part of camp is to evaluate young guys and see where they are at. Newly drafted guys get to taste NHL camps and find out what it takes to a degree. I know part of it is for the AHL coach to see guys. But I hope that they make cuts relatively quickly and get down to a small number so they can be figuring out line combos, building line chemistry, defense pairings and getting some continuity for the defense. So when the season starts, they can hit the ground running. How many spots are available? Maybe the #7 dman and maybe the 13th forward spot? I highly doubt a first year pro gets a sniff at anything.



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GabbyDugan wrote on Fri, 15 September 2017 12:32

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/blog-group-a-skaters-take-th e-ice/c-291073752?tid=281885062

....Strome with Maroon and McDavid to get things going.....
....no reports of anyone not showing up or not passing their medicals
....apparently Benning is paired with Russell on Defense...




From OIlers twitter:

Group B players include Lucic-Draisaitl-Caggiula, Jokinen-RNH-Puljujarvi, Klefbom-Larsson, Nurse-Gryba, Yamamoto.


Hope Lucic can up his 5v5 game this year. Team badly needs it.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 15 September 2017 13:09

GabbyDugan wrote on Fri, 15 September 2017 12:32

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/blog-group-a-skaters-take-th e-ice/c-291073752?tid=281885062

....Strome with Maroon and McDavid to get things going.....
....no reports of anyone not showing up or not passing their medicals
....apparently Benning is paired with Russell on Defense...




From OIlers twitter:

Group B players include Lucic-Draisaitl-Caggiula, Jokinen-RNH-Puljujarvi, Klefbom-Larsson, Nurse-Gryba, Yamamoto.


Hope Lucic can up his 5v5 game this year. Team badly needs it.


Did you happen to hear his interview yesterday? I like the fact that while he's come into camp in shape, he says he's he had an uninterrupted offseason and he's in the best shape he's been in years. I believe it was tweeted he's down about 5 lbs overall but his body fat is way down. According to Spec he was looking pretty fit. Good sign.

I saw Maroon in his interview, he's looking pretty lean and mean too.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 15 September 2017 13:09

GabbyDugan wrote on Fri, 15 September 2017 12:32

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/blog-group-a-skaters-take-th e-ice/c-291073752?tid=281885062

....Strome with Maroon and McDavid to get things going.....
....no reports of anyone not showing up or not passing their medicals
....apparently Benning is paired with Russell on Defense...




From OIlers twitter:

Group B players include Lucic-Draisaitl-Caggiula, Jokinen-RNH-Puljujarvi, Klefbom-Larsson, Nurse-Gryba, Yamamoto.


Hope Lucic can up his 5v5 game this year. Team badly needs it.


I like the line combos so far and they seem to be what most expected. More than anything I am just happy that the team is back on the ice. Perhaps the quality of discussion will be upped now that he have something concrete to (over)analyze



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I am curious to see how long they keep Yamamoto up. I am guessing he gets into a few preseason games but unless he's absolutely unbelievable in camp and in all the preseason games he will get into, I wouldn't keep him up long. Gaudreau has proven that tiny, skilled guys can definitely play but at 18, no way Yamamoto is strong enough. Gaudreau being from US college would have been a few years older. That makes a huge difference.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 15 September 2017 14:11

I am curious to see how long they keep Yamamoto up. I am guessing he gets into a few preseason games but unless he's absolutely unbelievable in camp and in all the preseason games he will get into, I wouldn't keep him up long. Gaudreau has proven that tiny, skilled guys can definitely play but at 18, no way Yamamoto is strong enough. Gaudreau being from US college would have been a few years older. That makes a huge difference.

I don't see them being in any sort of hurry to get Yamamoto into the main roster, because scoring goals will not be an issue for them for the foreseeable future. I'm more expecting to see Bear and Jones given longer looks in camp unless they go ahead and sign Franson or someone else to hold the fort while Sek is out.



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 15 September 2017 16:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 15 September 2017 14:11

I am curious to see how long they keep Yamamoto up. I am guessing he gets into a few preseason games but unless he's absolutely unbelievable in camp and in all the preseason games he will get into, I wouldn't keep him up long. Gaudreau has proven that tiny, skilled guys can definitely play but at 18, no way Yamamoto is strong enough. Gaudreau being from US college would have been a few years older. That makes a huge difference.

I don't see them being in any sort of hurry to get Yamamoto into the main roster, because scoring goals will not be an issue for them for the foreseeable future. I'm more expecting to see Bear and Jones given longer looks in camp unless they go ahead and sign Franson or someone else to hold the fort while Sek is out.

I agree with you. Let Yamamoto be in camp, play a preseason game or 2, then send him back to junior to play, dominate, get stronger. Bring him back, do camp again, maybe he plays all the preseason games, then send him back and dominated and get bigger and stronger. The Oilers let Eberle finish junior before he went pro. I believe they should be doing the same with Yamamoto.

For Bear and Jones. I would like to see them get at least a year of pro hockey under their belt. The jump from junior to pros is massive and I think it's even harder for a dman than a forward.



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some tweaks in the teams for Saturday practice...nothing earth-shattering, just seems like experimenting with different combinations.....

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/blog-saturday-group-rosters/ c-291098460?tid=281885062

Rishaug is reporting that Jussi Jokinen isn't on the ice this morning, but doesn't know why....







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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 15 September 2017 13:09

GabbyDugan wrote on Fri, 15 September 2017 12:32

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/blog-group-a-skaters-take-th e-ice/c-291073752?tid=281885062

....Strome with Maroon and McDavid to get things going.....
....no reports of anyone not showing up or not passing their medicals
....apparently Benning is paired with Russell on Defense...




From OIlers twitter:

Group B players include Lucic-Draisaitl-Caggiula, Jokinen-RNH-Puljujarvi, Klefbom-Larsson, Nurse-Gryba, Yamamoto.


Hope Lucic can up his 5v5 game this year. Team badly needs it.


Boy, is Cagguila ever getting the push. Those 18 points are somehow propelling him into a gifted Top-6 role.

Only more shocking would be Slepyshev's 10 points propelling him into a similar role.

Really wish they'd have signed a proven, cheap vet, and let those two push their way up. They may be successful, but it's far from a sure bet and it seems like an unnecessary bet to be honest.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Sat, 16 September 2017 11:32

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 15 September 2017 13:09

GabbyDugan wrote on Fri, 15 September 2017 12:32

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/blog-group-a-skaters-take-th e-ice/c-291073752?tid=281885062

....Strome with Maroon and McDavid to get things going.....
....no reports of anyone not showing up or not passing their medicals
....apparently Benning is paired with Russell on Defense...




From OIlers twitter:

Group B players include Lucic-Draisaitl-Caggiula, Jokinen-RNH-Puljujarvi, Klefbom-Larsson, Nurse-Gryba, Yamamoto.


Hope Lucic can up his 5v5 game this year. Team badly needs it.


Boy, is Cagguila ever getting the push. Those 18 points are somehow propelling him into a gifted Top-6 role.

Only more shocking would be Slepyshev's 10 points propelling him into a similar role.

Really wish they'd have signed a proven, cheap vet, and let those two push their way up. They may be successful, but it's far from a sure bet and it seems like an unnecessary bet to be honest.



On the topic of Cagguila:

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Yamamoto appears to have taken Caggiulas spot with Draisaitl and Lucic this period. Sluggish first for Caggiula IMO

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Caggiula returns to his spot on Draisaitl line. About a half period demotion to keep him aware it seems.


Also,
Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Strome just buried one top shelf off a McDavid feed in team scrimmage. They want him shooting.




Caggiula probably had the longest leash of any player last year among relatively young players. McLellan really seems to like something about him. I guess he gets a little leeway over guys like Pulju because he is 4+ years older and his game "should" be more polished. Hope Caggiula can live up to his coaches expectation this year.

[Updated on: Sat, 16 September 2017 14:17]


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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 16 September 2017 14:15

mightyreasoner wrote on Sat, 16 September 2017 11:32

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 15 September 2017 13:09

GabbyDugan wrote on Fri, 15 September 2017 12:32

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/blog-group-a-skaters-take-th e-ice/c-291073752?tid=281885062

....Strome with Maroon and McDavid to get things going.....
....no reports of anyone not showing up or not passing their medicals
....apparently Benning is paired with Russell on Defense...




From OIlers twitter:

Group B players include Lucic-Draisaitl-Caggiula, Jokinen-RNH-Puljujarvi, Klefbom-Larsson, Nurse-Gryba, Yamamoto.


Hope Lucic can up his 5v5 game this year. Team badly needs it.


Boy, is Cagguila ever getting the push. Those 18 points are somehow propelling him into a gifted Top-6 role.

Only more shocking would be Slepyshev's 10 points propelling him into a similar role.

Really wish they'd have signed a proven, cheap vet, and let those two push their way up. They may be successful, but it's far from a sure bet and it seems like an unnecessary bet to be honest.



On the topic of Cagguila:

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Yamamoto appears to have taken Caggiulas spot with Draisaitl and Lucic this period. Sluggish first for Caggiula IMO

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Caggiula returns to his spot on Draisaitl line. About a half period demotion to keep him aware it seems.


Also,
Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Strome just buried one top shelf off a McDavid feed in team scrimmage. They want him shooting.




Caggiula probably had the longest leash of any player last year among relatively young players. McLellan really seems to like something about him. I guess he gets a little leeway over guys like Pulju because he is 4+ years older and his game "should" be more polished. Hope Caggiula can live up to his coaches expectation this year.


I laughed at Rishaug's tweets today. First training camp scrimmage and we're already over-analyzing when lines get swapped around? Maybe they just wanted to give Yamamoto a look. Talk about trying to make a story out of nothing.



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Rishaug should be a member in here ...... icon_biggrin
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rofl ...maybe he is !!!



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Anyone knows/seen what the roster in Calgary will be for the split squad games tomorrow?


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ravb1981 wrote on Sun, 17 September 2017 10:34

Anyone knows/seen what the roster in Calgary will be for the split squad games tomorrow?


Haven't seen anything yet myself but if past years are any indication you'll see both teams dress a veteran-laden team at home and send a team of scrubs with the bare minimum Vet's to the other city.



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Adam wrote on Sun, 17 September 2017 12:45

ravb1981 wrote on Sun, 17 September 2017 10:34

Anyone knows/seen what the roster in Calgary will be for the split squad games tomorrow?


Haven't seen anything yet myself but if past years are any indication you'll see both teams dress a veteran-laden team at home and send a team of scrubs with the bare minimum Vet's to the other city.


https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/previews-oilers-vs-flames--o ilers-at-flames/c-291133254






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Adam wrote on Sat, 16 September 2017 17:36

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 16 September 2017 14:15

mightyreasoner wrote on Sat, 16 September 2017 11:32

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 15 September 2017 13:09

GabbyDugan wrote on Fri, 15 September 2017 12:32

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/blog-group-a-skaters-take-th e-ice/c-291073752?tid=281885062

....Strome with Maroon and McDavid to get things going.....
....no reports of anyone not showing up or not passing their medicals
....apparently Benning is paired with Russell on Defense...




From OIlers twitter:

Group B players include Lucic-Draisaitl-Caggiula, Jokinen-RNH-Puljujarvi, Klefbom-Larsson, Nurse-Gryba, Yamamoto.


Hope Lucic can up his 5v5 game this year. Team badly needs it.


Boy, is Cagguila ever getting the push. Those 18 points are somehow propelling him into a gifted Top-6 role.

Only more shocking would be Slepyshev's 10 points propelling him into a similar role.

Really wish they'd have signed a proven, cheap vet, and let those two push their way up. They may be successful, but it's far from a sure bet and it seems like an unnecessary bet to be honest.



On the topic of Cagguila:

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Yamamoto appears to have taken Caggiulas spot with Draisaitl and Lucic this period. Sluggish first for Caggiula IMO

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Caggiula returns to his spot on Draisaitl line. About a half period demotion to keep him aware it seems.


Also,
Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Strome just buried one top shelf off a McDavid feed in team scrimmage. They want him shooting.




Caggiula probably had the longest leash of any player last year among relatively young players. McLellan really seems to like something about him. I guess he gets a little leeway over guys like Pulju because he is 4+ years older and his game "should" be more polished. Hope Caggiula can live up to his coaches expectation this year.


I laughed at Rishaug's tweets today. First training camp scrimmage and we're already over-analyzing when lines get swapped around? Maybe they just wanted to give Yamamoto a look. Talk about trying to make a story out of nothing.


Hey man, I'm hungry got stories/drama. Don't ruin it! Rishaug is the man at giving the people what they want.



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I think Yamamoto is gone before the end of the preseason, unless (as others have said) he blows the doors off camp with his play. In watching him, he's gifted, but his play certainly shows he's not ready for the bigs.

As for the rest of camp, I will not read into the lines too much. I think Caggiula placement is just to see him as the preseason is the best time to see where things fit.

I think camp should be pretty quiet.




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I wouldn't keep Yamamoto around too long. He's got tons of skill but he's just not strong enough yet. Some 18 yr olds who have size struggle because they aren't strong enough to play against men, a gut who's 5'8, 155 lbs has no chance in my opinion and you risk significant injury. Go back to junior, dominate, train, get stronger maybe the end of the WHL season if your team is out, play in the AHL for a few games if he is allowed. Come to camp next year, maybe get in all the preseason, maybe a game or 2 if he's lucky. Go back to your last year of junior, dominate, train, get stronger, play in the AL at the end of your WHL season as a 20 yr old. Come to camp 2 seasons from now ready to make the team.

We don't need him getting lit up by some career AHLer in his first camp in some meaningless preseason game looking to get noticed and catching him not looking. Every team has a few of those guys on their training camp roster looking to stand out.



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I was at the open training camp practice/scrimmage yesterday. Cagguila looks bulky and tall next to Yamamoto. I think they'd be doing him a huge disservice keeping him up for NHL action this year. He needs to bulk up before he starts fighting against the Burns and Doughtys of the Pacific.

Nuge could have used the time to bulk up. Eberle needed it. And Yamamoto needs it more than either arguably. If you are in need of a RW so badly, Oilers would be wise to sign a vet rather than rushing Yamamoto.



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Man I'm happy Jay and Dan are back.
Here's the preview for tonight's games:

http://www.tsn.ca/jay-and-dan/video/a-split-squad-game-for-t he-ages%7E1210449



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mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 18 September 2017 12:07

I was at the open training camp practice/scrimmage yesterday. Cagguila looks bulky and tall next to Yamamoto. I think they'd be doing him a huge disservice keeping him up for NHL action this year. He needs to bulk up before he starts fighting against the Burns and Doughtys of the Pacific.

Nuge could have used the time to bulk up. Eberle needed it. And Yamamoto needs it more than either arguably. If you are in need of a RW so badly, Oilers would be wise to sign a vet rather than rushing Yamamoto.


I agree 100%. From my limited viewing it seems that Yamamoto has a quickness/slipperiness that RNH and Eberle dont. Either way a year or even two of filling out and improving is still a good thing.
For years the Oilers rushed 18-20 year olds into roles they werent ready for. Now that they are a competitive team they shouldnt have to do that.
Also, it wont hurt to delay a higher cap hit if he does pan out and earns one



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PlusOne wrote on Mon, 18 September 2017 13:58

mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 18 September 2017 12:07

I was at the open training camp practice/scrimmage yesterday. Cagguila looks bulky and tall next to Yamamoto. I think they'd be doing him a huge disservice keeping him up for NHL action this year. He needs to bulk up before he starts fighting against the Burns and Doughtys of the Pacific.

Nuge could have used the time to bulk up. Eberle needed it. And Yamamoto needs it more than either arguably. If you are in need of a RW so badly, Oilers would be wise to sign a vet rather than rushing Yamamoto.


I agree 100%. From my limited viewing it seems that Yamamoto has a quickness/slipperiness that RNH and Eberle dont. Either way a year or even two of filling out and improving is still a good thing.
For years the Oilers rushed 18-20 year olds into roles they werent ready for. Now that they are a competitive team they shouldnt have to do that.
Also, it wont hurt to delay a higher cap hit if he does pan out and earns one


Sometime they don't seem to fill out, i.e. Nuge, guy still isn't shaving..



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...this was expected, his Swedish team is starting their season and he will be a regualar over there...

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Now that the split squad games are over, I wonder when the Oilers will make some significant cuts. Looking at the roster.
Forward:
Chase, Christoffer, Downing, Ferlin, Malone, Platzer, Russell have zero chance of making it and I doubt any of them would be call ups. It wouldn't shock me if this is the last we see of Chase, Christoffer and Plazer at least.

Defense:
Betker, Lowe, Mantha, Paigin. Have no chance of making the team. I think Betker is done as an Oiler. He's not even a regular AHLer.

Goalie:
Pasquale, Starrett, none of the are going to even start in the AHL.

I wonder how long they keep these guys around.



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The Condors start their training camp Monday September 25, so likely a number of players will be assigned just before that date....



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Looks like the Oilers have already basically separated the NHLers from the AHLers.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/blog-camp-day-6-content-and- updates/c-291171150?tid=281885062



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 19 September 2017 11:00

Looks like the Oilers have already basically separated the NHLers from the AHLers.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/blog-camp-day-6-content-and- updates/c-291171150?tid=281885062


Yamamoto is still alive!



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Goose wrote on Tue, 19 September 2017 12:08

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 19 September 2017 11:00

Looks like the Oilers have already basically separated the NHLers from the AHLers.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/blog-camp-day-6-content-and- updates/c-291171150?tid=281885062


Yamamoto is still alive!


....the coach likes what he sees...."many more games"..

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/blog-mclellan-assesses-yamam otos-first-audition/c-291182524?tid=281885062

..."Yamamoto ended the night with two points (1G, 1A) and two shots on goal in 15:45 minutes played. He got a look on a powerful first-unit power play, which featured the likes of Leon Draisaitl, Oscar Klefbom, Milan Lucic and Drake Caggiula.

"The coaches mentioned they only had to tell him once or twice on how to adjust to things and he was able to do that," McLellan said.

"It was a really good first showing but that's just what that is: a first audition. He'll get an opportunity to play many more games and we'll see where he goes."....

Spokane's first regular season game in the WHL is on September 29 in Cranbrook....after watching him in the Penticton Tournament and the rookie game against Calgary, I was all for sending him back to Spokane to start the season....I Know RD oiler fan wants to send him down now, but in this case I'll defer to TMac's judgement.....




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Even if he’s sent back, it’s good to get him a good soak in the NHL game so he can shape his game with that in mind. Unless he tears the doors off I’m still in favour of sending him down so ha can mature longer and not repeat past mistakes.


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nullterm wrote on Tue, 19 September 2017 19:10

Even if he’s sent back, it’s good to get him a good soak in the NHL game so he can shape his game with that in mind. Unless he tears the doors off I’m still in favour of sending him down so ha can mature longer and not repeat past mistakes.


Starting to feel like we have a bit of a Yak situation going. Not exactly the same, but just in how Pulju needs a LOT of guidance to get his NHL game together. Not sure anymore that he will get that with the AHL team. Unless he is really turning into a disaster, I think we should just let him play some low pressure minutes on the 3rd line with JJ. Hopefully JJ can do for Pulju what Roy did for Yak.

But if McLellan puts him in the no trust zone again and just refuses to give him any minutes, I hope Chia doesn't sit on his hands again. If he simply cannot get NHL ice time, send him down. He will never learn if he's not playing no matter what other help he's getting.



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GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 19 September 2017 17:39

Goose wrote on Tue, 19 September 2017 12:08

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 19 September 2017 11:00

Looks like the Oilers have already basically separated the NHLers from the AHLers.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/blog-camp-day-6-content-and- updates/c-291171150?tid=281885062


Yamamoto is still alive!


....the coach likes what he sees...."many more games"..

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/blog-mclellan-assesses-yamam otos-first-audition/c-291182524?tid=281885062

..."Yamamoto ended the night with two points (1G, 1A) and two shots on goal in 15:45 minutes played. He got a look on a powerful first-unit power play, which featured the likes of Leon Draisaitl, Oscar Klefbom, Milan Lucic and Drake Caggiula.

"The coaches mentioned they only had to tell him once or twice on how to adjust to things and he was able to do that," McLellan said.

"It was a really good first showing but that's just what that is: a first audition. He'll get an opportunity to play many more games and we'll see where he goes."....

Spokane's first regular season game in the WHL is on September 29 in Cranbrook....after watching him in the Penticton Tournament and the rookie game against Calgary, I was all for sending him back to Spokane to start the season....I Know RD oiler fan wants to send him down now, but in this case I'll defer to TMac's judgement.....

I don't want Yamamoto to be sent down because I dislike him. I am excited and have high hopes for him. He's an offensive player that needs to play in the top 6 so that means being on McDavid's or Leon's wing. That means playing against teams best d pairings and probably best lines. The jump from junior to the NHL is massive. Not a lot of players make it and have a ton of success. At his size, it will be even tougher. A player like Yamamoto needs to play and needs to get bigger and stronger physically. Small players can play in the NHL, Gaudreau is a great example. But if you put Yamamoto and Gaudreau together, I bet Gaudreau is way stronger because he's that much older and had that many more years to train. The difference between a 18 yr old and even a 20 yr old strength wise is huge. The Oilers slow played Eberle and let him dominate junior and let him get bigger and stronger and it didn't hurt him so I see that as the best for Yamamoto. So unless he is absolutely unbelievable in camp, I would send him down at some point.

Plus with the contracts of McDavid and Leon taking up big money, they Oilers are going to need a steady stream of young, dirt cheap guys coming into the line up and contributing immediately. If they can delay his ELC from kicking in and delay when they have to start paying him big money, all the better. When he comes into the league they need him to be contributing right away. There is a much better chance he does that with a few more years of development and training under his belt.

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Latest cuts. No real surprises.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-reduce-camp-r oster/c-291243596?tid=281885062



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 21 September 2017 15:44

Latest cuts. No real surprises.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-reduce-camp-r oster/c-291243596?tid=281885062


Chad Butcher has an AHL deal with Bakersfield, does that mean he's Oilers property? Being released from his tryout contract means he has to play the year out in Bakersfield I'm assuming.



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WhoreableGuy wrote on Thu, 21 September 2017 16:09

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 21 September 2017 15:44

Latest cuts. No real surprises.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-reduce-camp-r oster/c-291243596?tid=281885062


Chad Butcher has an AHL deal with Bakersfield, does that mean he's Oilers property? Being released from his tryout contract means he has to play the year out in Bakersfield I'm assuming.


Yeah, he has to play out his AHL contract. His ATO is just to try to take a chance to show his stuff at the NHL level. Don't think he is Oilers property beyond his AHL contract though. He can move on after that is over. Might even be allowed to sign an NHL deal mid-season with any team actually.

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 September 2017 16:18

WhoreableGuy wrote on Thu, 21 September 2017 16:09

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 21 September 2017 15:44

Latest cuts. No real surprises.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-reduce-camp-r oster/c-291243596?tid=281885062


Chad Butcher has an AHL deal with Bakersfield, does that mean he's Oilers property? Being released from his tryout contract means he has to play the year out in Bakersfield I'm assuming.


Yeah, he has to play out his AHL contract. His ATO is just to try to take a chance to show his stuff at the NHL level. Don't think he is Oilers property beyond his AHL contract though. He can move on after that is over. Might even be allowed to sign an NHL deal mid-season with any team actually.


Correct. If someone else decides they want him, they can snap him up to an NHL deal. I think he'd likely be subject to waivers if they wanted to assign him though, so they can't just snag him to go play on a different AHL team. Unlikely he'll get an NHL deal from anyone at this point, but strong showing probably helps his chances of sticking with Bakersfield where they don't have much for scorers.




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Couple interesting points in Lowetide's blog this morning:

- Klefbom not on the ice at practice. Hopefully something minor, but that is a bit distressing. If they start the season without 2 of their top 3 defencemen, that's a problem

- McLellan shuffling the lines in practice:

Line 1: Patrick Maroon—Connor McDavid—Leon Draisaitl.
Line 2: Milan Lucic—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Kailer Yamamoto.
Line 3: Jussi Jokinen—Ryan Strome—Drake Caggiula.
Line 4: Jujhar Khaira—Mark Letestu—Zack Kassian.
Extra/AHL: Iiro Pakarinen—Chris Kelly—Jesse Puljujarvi.

Have to believe that McLellan is at least considering starting Drai with McDavid to start the season if he's putting them together this late in camp. Makes sense on one hand, as the Oilers do not have a proven, legitimate top 6 RW on their roster right now (other than Drai). On the other hand, it allows other teams to focus more on the top line as I'm not sure that 3rd line is going to outscore a lot of teams. That puts a lot of pressure on the 2nd line to go up against top competition and win that battle.

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I'd like to see a line of Lucic - Drai - Yamamoto.
Two big bodies plus the skill of Yamamoto. Drai is a fantastic playmaker, and Yamamoto and Lucic can both finish.

Guess that'd mean Strome or Nuge would need to play 1RW though. Or Caggiula I guess. He seemed to play well with McDavid last season.

Would sure be nice to have a skilled veteran top six RW though...(I think I remember saying that last year too)



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Listened to Chiarelli talking to Bob Stauffer just now. Sounds like there's a good chance we're going to see Yamamoto kept over Puljujarvi based on the inability to recall Yamamoto once they send him down. Here's hoping this is only a short audition, although it's the Oilers so who knows. I'm going to tear hair out if we burn another entry level season on an 18 year old high-end pick who isn't likely to be competing for the Calder...


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