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The Oilers scored 217 goals during 5v5 & 5v4 play. McDavid was on the ice for 114 of those.
That's 52.5%. He's probably underpaid at $20MM/yr



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I thought 10.5 would've been cup/cap friendly. This is still an anchor.


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https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/882674157439275008

McKenzie saying that $13.25 was the original deal but McDavid was the one who felt it was too high.



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bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:56

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/882674157439275008

McKenzie saying that $13.25 was the original deal but McDavid was the one who felt it was too high.

This seems like spin to me. I know it's a great story, but I have my doubts.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:57

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:56

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/882674157439275008

McKenzie saying that $13.25 was the original deal but McDavid was the one who felt it was too high.

This seems like spin to me. I know it's a great story, but I have my doubts.

It's a CP2 for sure.

Pretty good deal that will look fantastic in 4 years from now. Every penny under $15M left on the table is a win in my books.



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JPro wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:00

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:57

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:56

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/882674157439275008

McKenzie saying that $13.25 was the original deal but McDavid was the one who felt it was too high.

This seems like spin to me. I know it's a great story, but I have my doubts.

It's a CP2 for sure.

Pretty good deal that will look fantastic in 4 years from now. Every penny under $15M left on the table is a win in my books.


Let the trolling of Toronto & the Mathews extension next summer begin. 15M x 8 years? Sounds about right. icon_biggrin



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jds308 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:03

JPro wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:00

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:57

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:56

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/882674157439275008

McKenzie saying that $13.25 was the original deal but McDavid was the one who felt it was too high.

This seems like spin to me. I know it's a great story, but I have my doubts.

It's a CP2 for sure.

Pretty good deal that will look fantastic in 4 years from now. Every penny under $15M left on the table is a win in my books.


Let the trolling of Toronto & the Mathews extension next summer begin. 15M x 8 years? Sounds about right. icon_biggrin


Matthews is going to take a bridge to get to UFA and then bolt for PHX.



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 Re: McDavid signs $100M contract - 8 years - $12.5M [message #697341 is a reply to message #697336 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:57

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:56

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/882674157439275008

McKenzie saying that $13.25 was the original deal but McDavid was the one who felt it was too high.

This seems like spin to me. I know it's a great story, but I have my doubts.


Yeah, hard spin. This not even a discount.



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Magnum wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:57

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:56

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/882674157439275008

McKenzie saying that $13.25 was the original deal but McDavid was the one who felt it was too high.

This seems like spin to me. I know it's a great story, but I have my doubts.


Yeah, hard spin. This not even a discount.


Max salary this year is $15MM/season (20% of the cap). If McDavid had played out his last year and went to free agency, his agent could likely have gotten him the max dollars for any length of time - from 1 to 7 years.

Thus, anything under that is a discount. McDavid is leaving at minimum $2.5MM per season on the table for the length of his deal.

Would I have loved to see him leave more on the table? Of course. He's already earned around $7MM playing hockey and he's now going to make more in each year than most of us posters have made in our lives, and every dollar less he took could have been used to make sure the team was more competitive around him. But he and his agent know his market value, and they've acted accordingly.

And honestly, I don't trust our management to spend the extra money wisely, so why should McDavid and his representatives? They've given some back to them, but how much discount should he take when they're going to spend it on defensive defencemen who can't pass...



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 Re: McDavid signs $100M contract - 8 years - $12.5M [message #697344 is a reply to message #697336 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:57

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:56

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/882674157439275008

McKenzie saying that $13.25 was the original deal but McDavid was the one who felt it was too high.

This seems like spin to me. I know it's a great story, but I have my doubts.


No matter how you look at it, if McDavid waited until next summer, he could have teams lining up to give him a 20% cap deal offer sheet with flat money for 8 years. Screw 4 1st picks, you are waiting a decade + for a guy like McDavid to come along, and the lottery makes it totally unpredictable if you can get the #1 pick when one does come again.

He's giving something up, and I'm sure it's not lost on him how the Pens struggled for over half a decade after Malkin and Crosby's 2nd deals and finally be able to afford depth for playoffs after the cap went up enough and they took discount deals. Chicago is about to take a huge step back next year without Hossa and their C Kruger that took 20-30% offensive zone faceoffs while still dominating possession allowing Kane to get 75% offensive starts and Toews >50%. We also saw the Kings implode now.

Think this deal strikes a good balance between McDavid getting a payday he deserves, tops in the league by a good margin, and still giving a chance for the team to be competative for the majority of his deal IF management plays their cards right.

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:04

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:57

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:56

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/882674157439275008

McKenzie saying that $13.25 was the original deal but McDavid was the one who felt it was too high.

This seems like spin to me. I know it's a great story, but I have my doubts.


No matter how you look at it, if McDavid waited until next summer, he could have teams lining up to give him a 20% cap deal offer sheet with flat money for 8 years. Screw 4 1st picks, you are waiting a decade + for a guy like McDavid to come along, and the lottery makes it totally unpredictable if you can get the #1 pick when one does come again.

He's giving something up, and I'm sure it's not lost on him how the Pens struggled for over half a decade after Malkin and Crosby's 2nd deals and finally be able to afford depth for playoffs after the cap went up enough and they took discount deals. Chicago is about to take a huge step back next year without Hossa and their C Kruger that took 20-30% offensive zone faceoffs while still dominating possession allowing Kane to get 75% offensive starts and Toews >50%. We also saw the Kings implode now.

Think this deal strikes a good balance between McDavid getting a payday he deserves, tops in the league by a good margin, and still giving a chance for the team to be competative for the majority of his deal IF management plays their cards right.

To be clear, in this case I'm not commenting on the actual deal. I'm commenting on the idea that McDavid was uncomfortable making so much and asked to be paid less.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:52

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:04

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:57

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:56

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/882674157439275008

McKenzie saying that $13.25 was the original deal but McDavid was the one who felt it was too high.

This seems like spin to me. I know it's a great story, but I have my doubts.


No matter how you look at it, if McDavid waited until next summer, he could have teams lining up to give him a 20% cap deal offer sheet with flat money for 8 years. Screw 4 1st picks, you are waiting a decade + for a guy like McDavid to come along, and the lottery makes it totally unpredictable if you can get the #1 pick when one does come again.

He's giving something up, and I'm sure it's not lost on him how the Pens struggled for over half a decade after Malkin and Crosby's 2nd deals and finally be able to afford depth for playoffs after the cap went up enough and they took discount deals. Chicago is about to take a huge step back next year without Hossa and their C Kruger that took 20-30% offensive zone faceoffs while still dominating possession allowing Kane to get 75% offensive starts and Toews >50%. We also saw the Kings implode now.

Think this deal strikes a good balance between McDavid getting a payday he deserves, tops in the league by a good margin, and still giving a chance for the team to be competative for the majority of his deal IF management plays their cards right.

To be clear, in this case I'm not commenting on the actual deal. I'm commenting on the idea that McDavid was uncomfortable making so much and asked to be paid less.


Depends if you think McDavid was in the driver seat or not. If you believe Chia was willing to do what McDavid felt was best, what reason is there for McDavid to take less than max if it's not because he doesn't want to handcuff the team?

I'm sure it wasn't just in the last week that he decided 13.25M was not right. I honestly wonder where this 13.25M came from.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 16:05

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:52

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:04

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:57

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:56

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/882674157439275008

McKenzie saying that $13.25 was the original deal but McDavid was the one who felt it was too high.

This seems like spin to me. I know it's a great story, but I have my doubts.


No matter how you look at it, if McDavid waited until next summer, he could have teams lining up to give him a 20% cap deal offer sheet with flat money for 8 years. Screw 4 1st picks, you are waiting a decade + for a guy like McDavid to come along, and the lottery makes it totally unpredictable if you can get the #1 pick when one does come again.

He's giving something up, and I'm sure it's not lost on him how the Pens struggled for over half a decade after Malkin and Crosby's 2nd deals and finally be able to afford depth for playoffs after the cap went up enough and they took discount deals. Chicago is about to take a huge step back next year without Hossa and their C Kruger that took 20-30% offensive zone faceoffs while still dominating possession allowing Kane to get 75% offensive starts and Toews >50%. We also saw the Kings implode now.

Think this deal strikes a good balance between McDavid getting a payday he deserves, tops in the league by a good margin, and still giving a chance for the team to be competative for the majority of his deal IF management plays their cards right.

To be clear, in this case I'm not commenting on the actual deal. I'm commenting on the idea that McDavid was uncomfortable making so much and asked to be paid less.


Depends if you think McDavid was in the driver seat or not. If you believe Chia was willing to do what McDavid felt was best, what reason is there for McDavid to take less than max if it's not because he doesn't want to handcuff the team?

That is immaterial to the narrative I'm discussing. It sounds like the media is reporting the two sides agreed to "X" dollars and then McDavid said he was uncomfortable with that number and took less. I find that scenario (CP2) to be highly unlikely and probably a public relations manipulation.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 16:08

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 16:05

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:52

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:04

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:57

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:56

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/882674157439275008

McKenzie saying that $13.25 was the original deal but McDavid was the one who felt it was too high.

This seems like spin to me. I know it's a great story, but I have my doubts.


No matter how you look at it, if McDavid waited until next summer, he could have teams lining up to give him a 20% cap deal offer sheet with flat money for 8 years. Screw 4 1st picks, you are waiting a decade + for a guy like McDavid to come along, and the lottery makes it totally unpredictable if you can get the #1 pick when one does come again.

He's giving something up, and I'm sure it's not lost on him how the Pens struggled for over half a decade after Malkin and Crosby's 2nd deals and finally be able to afford depth for playoffs after the cap went up enough and they took discount deals. Chicago is about to take a huge step back next year without Hossa and their C Kruger that took 20-30% offensive zone faceoffs while still dominating possession allowing Kane to get 75% offensive starts and Toews >50%. We also saw the Kings implode now.

Think this deal strikes a good balance between McDavid getting a payday he deserves, tops in the league by a good margin, and still giving a chance for the team to be competative for the majority of his deal IF management plays their cards right.

To be clear, in this case I'm not commenting on the actual deal. I'm commenting on the idea that McDavid was uncomfortable making so much and asked to be paid less.


Depends if you think McDavid was in the driver seat or not. If you believe Chia was willing to do what McDavid felt was best, what reason is there for McDavid to take less than max if it's not because he doesn't want to handcuff the team?

That is immaterial to the narrative I'm discussing. It sounds like the media is reporting the two sides agreed to "X" dollars and then McDavid said he was uncomfortable with that number and took less. I find that scenario (CP2) to be highly unlikely and probably a public relations manipulation.


I bet the 12.5 was figured out some time ago, not sure if McKenzie is suggesting this happened over night. Regardless, the reason it's not higher was entirely McDavid's choice and the reason he would take less is because he doesn't want to too heavily damage the teams chances of winning. Could just as easily say McDavid was not comfortable with 15M and took it down to 12.5.

And who knows, maybe he did move down a bit after the Drai discussions started to get difficult. Kane took a paycut so his boy Toews could join the 10M club.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:57

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:56

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/882674157439275008

McKenzie saying that $13.25 was the original deal but McDavid was the one who felt it was too high.

This seems like spin to me. I know it's a great story, but I have my doubts.


Doesn't even matter. They can spin it how they want. Maybe the high number was leaked to get people accepting it and then they came on lower.

All that matters to me is 8 years. That it is below market value and he left money on the table is just a sweet, sweet bonus. Maybe sets the example for other teammates, who know.

But we have the best player in the world happy and signed for a decade. I'm giddy.



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For a guy that held all the power in negotiations, McDavid surely left some money on the table. Good deal for the Oilers. It's obvious winning is McDavid's #1 priority. Let's get Leon signed for 7.5M or less and we're not looking to bad. icon_thumbsup


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jds308 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:01

For a guy that held all the power in negotiations, McDavid surely left some money on the table. Good deal for the Oilers. It's obvious winning is McDavid's #1 priority. Let's get Leon signed for 7.5M or less and we're not looking to bad. icon_thumbsup


Two hours ago everyone was saying that $13.25 was winning prohibitive. Now at $750,000 less, it's a fantastic deal?!

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Magnum wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:54

jds308 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:01

For a guy that held all the power in negotiations, McDavid surely left some money on the table. Good deal for the Oilers. It's obvious winning is McDavid's #1 priority. Let's get Leon signed for 7.5M or less and we're not looking to bad. icon_thumbsup


Two hours ago everyone was saying that $13.25 was winning prohibitive. Now at $750,000 less, it's a fantastic deal?!

Oilers' management has played everyone like a fiddle.



Drai's contract is the one that can kill us IMO. McDavid, you just hope it's around what OV and Crosby took back in the day in terms of % of cap. It was less than either of those guys too, and OV's was signed before the cap only went up 0.1M due to the market crash.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:57

Magnum wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:54

jds308 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:01

For a guy that held all the power in negotiations, McDavid surely left some money on the table. Good deal for the Oilers. It's obvious winning is McDavid's #1 priority. Let's get Leon signed for 7.5M or less and we're not looking to bad. icon_thumbsup


Two hours ago everyone was saying that $13.25 was winning prohibitive. Now at $750,000 less, it's a fantastic deal?!

Oilers' management has played everyone like a fiddle.



Drai's contract is the one that can kill us IMO. McDavid, you just hope it's around what OV and Crosby took back in the day in terms of % of cap. It was less than either of those guys too, and OV's was signed before the cap only went up 0.1M due to the market crash.


McDavid could have asked for 15M, and he could have got it even if it meant waiting until next summer. If money was the only thing that mattered to him, there was certainly the opportunity to go that route. I look at the difference between 15M and what he signed for as the money he left on the table.

It's possible that the plan is 20M for 97 & 29 and what 97 left on the table will allow that to happen. 7.5M for Leon is still a bit high for my liking but 20M for both seems ok. I could also be delusional.

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jds308 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 16:33

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:57

Magnum wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:54

jds308 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:01

For a guy that held all the power in negotiations, McDavid surely left some money on the table. Good deal for the Oilers. It's obvious winning is McDavid's #1 priority. Let's get Leon signed for 7.5M or less and we're not looking to bad. icon_thumbsup


Two hours ago everyone was saying that $13.25 was winning prohibitive. Now at $750,000 less, it's a fantastic deal?!

Oilers' management has played everyone like a fiddle.



Drai's contract is the one that can kill us IMO. McDavid, you just hope it's around what OV and Crosby took back in the day in terms of % of cap. It was less than either of those guys too, and OV's was signed before the cap only went up 0.1M due to the market crash.


McDavid could have asked for 15M, and he could have got it even if it meant waiting until next summer. If money was the only thing that mattered to him, there was certainly the opportunity to go that route. I look at the difference between 15M and what he signed for as the money he left on the table.

It's possibly that the plan is 20M for 97 & 29 and what 97 left on the table will allow that to happen. 7.5M for Leon is still a bit high for my liking but 20M for both seems ok. I could also be delusional.


Kind of funny that the big concern from the Oilers last year was PK Subban's $9MM cap hit. Suddenly that doesn't seem like as big a deal.

If Draisaitl's at $7.5MM - $8.0MM, then I do wonder which team is further ahead - the team with McDavid ($12.5MM), Hall ($6MM) and Subban ($9MM) or the one with McDavid, Draisaitl and Larson ($4.17MM).



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Adam wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 16:04

jds308 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 16:33

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For a guy that held all the power in negotiations, McDavid surely left some money on the table. Good deal for the Oilers. It's obvious winning is McDavid's #1 priority. Let's get Leon signed for 7.5M or less and we're not looking to bad. icon_thumbsup


Two hours ago everyone was saying that $13.25 was winning prohibitive. Now at $750,000 less, it's a fantastic deal?!

Oilers' management has played everyone like a fiddle.



Drai's contract is the one that can kill us IMO. McDavid, you just hope it's around what OV and Crosby took back in the day in terms of % of cap. It was less than either of those guys too, and OV's was signed before the cap only went up 0.1M due to the market crash.


McDavid could have asked for 15M, and he could have got it even if it meant waiting until next summer. If money was the only thing that mattered to him, there was certainly the opportunity to go that route. I look at the difference between 15M and what he signed for as the money he left on the table.

It's possibly that the plan is 20M for 97 & 29 and what 97 left on the table will allow that to happen. 7.5M for Leon is still a bit high for my liking but 20M for both seems ok. I could also be delusional.


Kind of funny that the big concern from the Oilers last year was PK Subban's $9MM cap hit. Suddenly that doesn't seem like as big a deal.

If Draisaitl's at $7.5MM - $8.0MM, then I do wonder which team is further ahead - the team with McDavid ($12.5MM), Hall ($6MM) and Subban ($9MM) or the one with McDavid, Draisaitl and Larson ($4.17MM).



Fair point, but I think (and I could easily be wrong) that Draisaitl fits on the team better than Hall. That's not to say Hall isn't valuable and big loss, but so far Leon has replaced Hall's offence and I think he's a more versatile player. It's possible (not saying a sure thing) that 29 will go on to have more success than Hall over the course of their careers. We'll see. Subban vs Larsson isn't a real comparison, I don't think anyone here would try to suggest Larsson has anything on Subban aside from cap hit. Also, there was supposedly more than just Draisaitl in the ask for Subban, so you need to factor in what the rest of cost was. But ultimately I think I'm ok with the trio we have vs the trio you suggested.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 17:04

jds308 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 16:33

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:57

Magnum wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:54

jds308 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:01

For a guy that held all the power in negotiations, McDavid surely left some money on the table. Good deal for the Oilers. It's obvious winning is McDavid's #1 priority. Let's get Leon signed for 7.5M or less and we're not looking to bad. icon_thumbsup


Two hours ago everyone was saying that $13.25 was winning prohibitive. Now at $750,000 less, it's a fantastic deal?!

Oilers' management has played everyone like a fiddle.



Drai's contract is the one that can kill us IMO. McDavid, you just hope it's around what OV and Crosby took back in the day in terms of % of cap. It was less than either of those guys too, and OV's was signed before the cap only went up 0.1M due to the market crash.


McDavid could have asked for 15M, and he could have got it even if it meant waiting until next summer. If money was the only thing that mattered to him, there was certainly the opportunity to go that route. I look at the difference between 15M and what he signed for as the money he left on the table.

It's possibly that the plan is 20M for 97 & 29 and what 97 left on the table will allow that to happen. 7.5M for Leon is still a bit high for my liking but 20M for both seems ok. I could also be delusional.


Kind of funny that the big concern from the Oilers last year was PK Subban's $9MM cap hit. Suddenly that doesn't seem like as big a deal.

If Draisaitl's at $7.5MM - $8.0MM, then I do wonder which team is further ahead - the team with McDavid ($12.5MM), Hall ($6MM) and Subban ($9MM) or the one with McDavid, Draisaitl and Larson ($4.17MM).



Take Klef and Pulju off the team as well in the Hall+Subban scenario (Bergevin actually wanted even more than that). Klef's impact might actually get near Subban's next season. Including injury time, it probably already was this season.

I think we did OK. And Subban might turn into an injury case soon with neck problems.

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 17:32

Adam wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 17:04

jds308 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 16:33

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:57

Magnum wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:54

jds308 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:01

For a guy that held all the power in negotiations, McDavid surely left some money on the table. Good deal for the Oilers. It's obvious winning is McDavid's #1 priority. Let's get Leon signed for 7.5M or less and we're not looking to bad. icon_thumbsup


Two hours ago everyone was saying that $13.25 was winning prohibitive. Now at $750,000 less, it's a fantastic deal?!

Oilers' management has played everyone like a fiddle.



Drai's contract is the one that can kill us IMO. McDavid, you just hope it's around what OV and Crosby took back in the day in terms of % of cap. It was less than either of those guys too, and OV's was signed before the cap only went up 0.1M due to the market crash.


McDavid could have asked for 15M, and he could have got it even if it meant waiting until next summer. If money was the only thing that mattered to him, there was certainly the opportunity to go that route. I look at the difference between 15M and what he signed for as the money he left on the table.

It's possibly that the plan is 20M for 97 & 29 and what 97 left on the table will allow that to happen. 7.5M for Leon is still a bit high for my liking but 20M for both seems ok. I could also be delusional.


Kind of funny that the big concern from the Oilers last year was PK Subban's $9MM cap hit. Suddenly that doesn't seem like as big a deal.

If Draisaitl's at $7.5MM - $8.0MM, then I do wonder which team is further ahead - the team with McDavid ($12.5MM), Hall ($6MM) and Subban ($9MM) or the one with McDavid, Draisaitl and Larson ($4.17MM).



Take Klef and Pulju off the team as well in the Hall+Subban scenario (Bergevin actually wanted even more than that). Klef's impact might actually get near Subban's next season. Including injury time, it probably already was this season.

I think we did OK. And Subban might turn into an injury case soon with neck problems.


Wasn't the rumour Subban for Draisaitl, Nurse, and a 1st (Puljujarvi)?

I wanted Subban at the time, but Draisaitl was a bit of a revelation last year. He does fit in better than Hall, I think, because he can shift so seamlessly from 2C to 1RW and really give them more options about how to utilize him. That's not a knock on Hall, it's just an element that I think make Draisaitl a pretty important piece.

A $9M important piece? Does he bring $3M more value than Hall? I don't know. It's a fair question:

McDavid, Hall, Subban
McDavid, Draisaitl, Larsson, Nurse, Puljujarvi

I think they might have been wise not pulling the trigger on that one. Maybe.

One thing is for sure: The sweetheart deals of Larsson and Klefbom get better every single day. Those will be insanely helpful moving forward. They may waste money on Kris Russell, but they have a top pairing that makes a combined $8.2M.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 17:51

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 17:32

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 13:57

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jds308 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:01

For a guy that held all the power in negotiations, McDavid surely left some money on the table. Good deal for the Oilers. It's obvious winning is McDavid's #1 priority. Let's get Leon signed for 7.5M or less and we're not looking to bad. icon_thumbsup


Two hours ago everyone was saying that $13.25 was winning prohibitive. Now at $750,000 less, it's a fantastic deal?!

Oilers' management has played everyone like a fiddle.



Drai's contract is the one that can kill us IMO. McDavid, you just hope it's around what OV and Crosby took back in the day in terms of % of cap. It was less than either of those guys too, and OV's was signed before the cap only went up 0.1M due to the market crash.


McDavid could have asked for 15M, and he could have got it even if it meant waiting until next summer. If money was the only thing that mattered to him, there was certainly the opportunity to go that route. I look at the difference between 15M and what he signed for as the money he left on the table.

It's possibly that the plan is 20M for 97 & 29 and what 97 left on the table will allow that to happen. 7.5M for Leon is still a bit high for my liking but 20M for both seems ok. I could also be delusional.


Kind of funny that the big concern from the Oilers last year was PK Subban's $9MM cap hit. Suddenly that doesn't seem like as big a deal.

If Draisaitl's at $7.5MM - $8.0MM, then I do wonder which team is further ahead - the team with McDavid ($12.5MM), Hall ($6MM) and Subban ($9MM) or the one with McDavid, Draisaitl and Larson ($4.17MM).



Take Klef and Pulju off the team as well in the Hall+Subban scenario (Bergevin actually wanted even more than that). Klef's impact might actually get near Subban's next season. Including injury time, it probably already was this season.

I think we did OK. And Subban might turn into an injury case soon with neck problems.


Wasn't the rumour Subban for Draisaitl, Nurse, and a 1st (Puljujarvi)?

I wanted Subban at the time, but Draisaitl was a bit of a revelation last year. He does fit in better than Hall, I think, because he can shift so seamlessly from 2C to 1RW and really give them more options about how to utilize him. That's not a knock on Hall, it's just an element that I think make Draisaitl a pretty important piece.

A $9M important piece? Does he bring $3M more value than Hall? I don't know. It's a fair question:

McDavid, Hall, Subban
McDavid, Draisaitl, Larsson, Nurse, Puljujarvi

I think they might have been wise not pulling the trigger on that one. Maybe.

One thing is for sure: The sweetheart deals of Larsson and Klefbom get better every single day. Those will be insanely helpful moving forward. They may waste money on Kris Russell, but they have a top pairing that makes a combined $8.2M.


Pretty sure it was Klefbom. Bergevin wanted a crazy overpay. I don't see how Nurse could factor into that with only games of looking lost on a 3rd pairing under his belt so far. We overrate him as Oilers fans, but I don't think he's that valuable yet around the league. At least Klef had some good NHL time under his belt, although a small sample size.

In the end, Bergevin showed how scared he was to lose a quality dman. He just traded Subban for what he personally thought was an equivalent contributor on D.


Edit: Just did a search back at the rumors. Seems no one could ever agree if it was Nurse or Klef :) "One of nurse or klef" in lots of them. Have a hard time seeing Montreal wanting to gamble that hard on Nurse who was not trending that well. And if it was up to the Oilers, I bet they would have picked to keep Nurse, which is a different issue all together :).

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Magnum wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:54

jds308 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:01

For a guy that held all the power in negotiations, McDavid surely left some money on the table. Good deal for the Oilers. It's obvious winning is McDavid's #1 priority. Let's get Leon signed for 7.5M or less and we're not looking to bad. icon_thumbsup


Two hours ago everyone was saying that $13.25 was winning prohibitive. Now at $750,000 less, it's a fantastic deal?!

Oilers' management has played everyone like a fiddle.



Agreed. Everyone is blindly ecstatic to have McDavid under contract for 9 yrs that they're not looking at the deal soundly and objectively. Just because it was slightly under what was purposely leaked and reported last week does not make it discount, at all.

If you want to pay McDavid like the best player in the world then do so and pay him $10.5/yr. If you want to be generous then pay him $11.5/yr. Keep in mind the Kane/Toews deals were done buying solely UFA years with multiple cups and other hardware under their belts. Paying a full TWO million over that buying mostly RFA years is just ridiculous.

It seems like fans and media, especially MSM drive a certain narrative to sway opinion and people buy into it.

I love McDavid, and am happy we have him locked up like a couple Filipino parents at an airport but this isn't a great deal and definitely not a bargain.



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Gator21 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 21:42

Magnum wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:54

jds308 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:01

For a guy that held all the power in negotiations, McDavid surely left some money on the table. Good deal for the Oilers. It's obvious winning is McDavid's #1 priority. Let's get Leon signed for 7.5M or less and we're not looking to bad. icon_thumbsup


Two hours ago everyone was saying that $13.25 was winning prohibitive. Now at $750,000 less, it's a fantastic deal?!

Oilers' management has played everyone like a fiddle.



Agreed. Everyone is blindly ecstatic to have McDavid under contract for 9 yrs that they're not looking at the deal soundly and objectively. Just because it was slightly under what was purposely leaked and reported last week does not make it discount, at all.

If you want to pay McDavid like the best player in the world then do so and pay him $10.5/yr. If you want to be generous then pay him $11.5/yr. Keep in mind the Kane/Toews deals were done buying solely UFA years with multiple cups and other hardware under their belts. Paying a full TWO million over that buying mostly RFA years is just ridiculous.

It seems like fans and media, especially MSM drive a certain narrative to sway opinion and people buy into it.

I love McDavid, and am happy we have him locked up like a couple Filipino parents at an airport but this isn't a great deal and definitely not a bargain.


Offer sheets are a thing though. All McDavid has to do is not sign today, play out his deal, and watch teams sell the farm to free up 15M of cap space to give him 8x15M offer sheets. No one cares about losing 4 1st round picks to pick up a generational talent. And those 4 1st will not amount of much because McDavid is going to make whichever team steals him at least a consistent playoff team.

You simply have to play ball in this situation, you can't mess around. Exactly like the Pens didn't with Crosby and Washington didn't with OV when their ELC's expired. Those guys got a higher % of cap than McDavid took today.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:52

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That's was disappointed McDavid after the lottery. His expression proved he would get out of Edmonton at his first opportunity and likely sign with the Leafs.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:54

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 July 2017 14:52

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That's was disappointed McDavid after the lottery. His expression proved he would get out of Edmonton at his first opportunity and likely sign with the Leafs.

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Almost looks like McDavid today. He really didn't want to be at the presser, at least to me.

Love the deal, especially after the MSM was pumping $13.25 at us. The MSM is not what it used to be, but I'm ok with that.



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Good. Pay the man. To have him until near 30 is a gift.


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I am good with the contract. Having McDavid for 9 more years is a HUGE win for the Oilers. The cap most likely goes up slightly over the length of the deal so it slowly gets better and better. He definitely left money on the table.

Let's hope Leon falls in line and comes in at the 7-7.8 that he should make. There is enough contracts out there that say that is what he should make. Gaudreau last year at 6.75. Tarasenko at 7.5. The best comparable contract is the Kuznetsov contract. The Caps just signed Kuznetsov to 7.8 cap hit that bought them a bunch of UFA years. The last 2 seasons Kuznetsov scored 136 pts playing mostly center. Leon in the last 2 seasons scored 128 pts splitting time at center and wing. Kuznetsov is 25 and signs for 8 yrs. So when his deal is up, he will be 33. At 33, he is not signing a big money deal after that. Leon is 21. So in 8 yrs, he's probably got 1 more big money deal left. So if your are Chia, all you have to do is show the Leon camp Kuztnesov and how can you argue?



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So, how many years until this looks like a bargain cap hit? 2? 3? After Crosby signed his 8.7M deal, Eric Staal got 8.25M a year later. Brad Richards was already at 7.8M, behind paid for a great playoffs.

I'm thinking 3 years. Karlsson gets 12.25M. Doughty gets 11M. Matthews signs for 8 years at 11.5M.

Gonna be a bunch of guys that McDavid is clearly a more impactful player than (minus Karlsson maybe :) ) making just under his cap hit. Then in a couple more years, Another wave of guys will probably get equal or slightly more.



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I love how your you two chime in a day late and your posts seem like there from left field. This is a wrestling thread you know right?


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Deal structure is out it looks like:

2018-19 $15M ($13M signing bonus)
2019-20 $14M ($13M SB)
2020-21 $13M ($12M SB) - first potential lockout year if NHL or PA opts out of CBA
2021-22 $15M ($13M SB) - long shot lockout, likely will be played if 20/21 is opted out or not (if no opt out in 20/21, likely CBA will just ride out full 10 years)
2022-23 NMC $12M ($11M SB) - most likely lockout year if there is one
2023-24 NMC $11M ($10M SB)
2024-25 NMC $10M ($7M SB)
2025-26 NMC $10M ($7M SB)

Funny how it actually is set up kinda like a back diver (a new age CBA style one). McDavid gets some 15M years, so he still gets to say he was the highest paid guy ever in terms of single season salary (think Weber and Kopitar have the record at 14M), not just cap hit. In years there are higher odds of a lock out he is only set up for 1M in salary through the year (if it's played) and a general dip in salary, which is to be expected.

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6 Cups

Hockey stuff is starting to happen

McDavid interview.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/mcdavid-excited-work-drai saitl-towards-something-great/


Another one with some funy answers to questions about the Flames (maybe they don't gel) and other Canadian teams:

http://www.tsn.ca/video/mcdavid-everyone-knows-who-the-best- player-in-the-league-is-and-it-s-not-me~1192381

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"The Edmonton Oilers are not where they should be right now and that is unacceptable. We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
-Kevin Lowe, April 2013


"Next year (15/16) I would forecast as another developmental year"
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