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Good thing that Kevin Lowe is 100% definitely totally absolutely not involved in hockey operations any more or that could look like yet another Oilers case of nepotism...

6 points in 22 AHL games last year, so truly an impact player. Wonder if Russell is giving up #4?

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Let's slow down there, Nervous Nelly. It's likely just a move to fill up Bakersfield's roster.


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Ragnarok73 wrote on Sat, 01 July 2017 15:56

Let's slow down there, Nervous Nelly. It's likely just a move to fill up Bakersfield's roster.


Yes! There is no chance at all that Lowe plays for the Oilers. But he's still got a contract because of who his dad is. Had to replace David Musil with someone, why not do it with dead weight?



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Adam wrote on Sat, 01 July 2017 15:50

Good thing that Kevin Lowe is 100% definitely totally absolutely not involved in hockey operations any more or that could look like yet another Oilers case of nepotism...

6 points in 22 AHL games last year, so truly an impact player. Wonder if Russell is giving up #4?


I remember Keegan didn't want us to draft him because he wanted to make his own way without help from having Daddy in management.

Guess that's out the window.



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Adam wrote on Sat, 01 July 2017 15:50


6 points in 22 AHL games last year, so truly an impact player.


...between Charlotte and St. Johns, he did have a few more AHL points than that this past season

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=122997




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GabbyDugan wrote on Sat, 01 July 2017 16:13

Adam wrote on Sat, 01 July 2017 15:50


6 points in 22 AHL games last year, so truly an impact player.


...between Charlotte and St. Johns, he did have a few more AHL points than that this past season

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=122997



Good point. It's actually 18 points in 71 games last year. 2 NHL appearances a couple years ago. Not a sniff in those games.

Also, odd that Oilers haven't announced these. Chiarelli actually tells media at his presser that he's done deals "6-7 depth guys" but that they'll announce them later. Wonder if part of that was to avoid any potential questions on Lowe?

For other guys signed, they're letting the media mouthpieces "break" the story. Rishaug's got three, Spector one so far:

Mitch Callahan - 25 yr old, right shot, right wing. 6'0, 195. 16-27-43 in 66 AHL games last year. 5 NHL appearances (including 4 this year) with no points.

Eddie Pascquale - 26 yr old Goalie. 6'2, 215. 29 AHL games last year, 15-9-2, 2.43GAA, Sv% 0.919

Ryan Stanton - 27 yr old, left shot defenceman. 6'2, 205. 2-10-12 in 48 AHL games last year. 120 NHL games (0 last year) with 4-23-27. He's now the Bakersfield Condor equivalent of Crash Davis from Bull Durham.

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 Re: Keegan Lowe signs with Oilers [message #697165 is a reply to message #697162 ]
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And the other two signings are:

Grayson Downing - 25 yr old left shot center. 6'0 195. 9-17-26 in 59 AHL games last year. No NHL experience.

Brian Ferlin - 25 yr old right shot right winger. 6'2, 209 lbs. 0-0-0 in 2 AHL games last year. Must have been injured all year. Previously had scored 34 points in 76 AHL games over two preceding seasons. 7 NHL games in 2014-15 with 1 point. Former Chiarelli draft pick with the Bruins (#121 overall in 2011)

Clearly, they're just filling up the trenches in the AHL. None of these guys are impressive at all. Condors have been decimated this year though and needed significant replacements.

Lander went back to Europe. Taylor Beck was dealt during the season (and then went to Europe). As far as I can tell, Josh Currie and Ryan Hamilton are not under NHL contracts. Griffin Reinhart is a Knight, Oesterle a Blackhawk, Khaira is likely to be promoted next season. That leaves just LaLeggia and possibly Puljujarvi from the Condors top nine scorers from last year.

Add to that that the Oilers have drafted almost no forwards in the depth rounds the last three years and they had to find players somewhere...

Sadly, it also means that there's zero depth in the organization beyond the NHL too...

Announced by team now: https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/press-release-oilers-sign-se ven/c-290267368

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 Re: Keegan Lowe signs with Oilers [message #702121 is a reply to message #697165 ]
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Because I was curious:

Mitch Callahan RW - 10GP 0-0-0
Ryan Stanton D - 3GP 0-0-0
Grayson Downing C - 6GP 0-2-2
Brian Ferlin RW 0GP 0-0-0 (injured in camp, just waived & demoted by Oilers)
Ty Rattie RW - 10GP 6-3-9
Keegan Lowe D - 2GP 0-0-0
Edward Pasquale G - 5GP 2W-2L, 3.03GAA, 0.891 Sv%

Quite the performance so far...



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 Re: Keegan Lowe signs with Oilers [message #702136 is a reply to message #702121 ]
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Adam wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 10:12

Because I was curious:

Mitch Callahan RW - 10GP 0-0-0
Ryan Stanton D - 3GP 0-0-0
Grayson Downing C - 6GP 0-2-2
Brian Ferlin RW 0GP 0-0-0 (injured in camp, just waived & demoted by Oilers)
Ty Rattie RW - 10GP 6-3-9
Keegan Lowe D - 2GP 0-0-0
Edward Pasquale G - 5GP 2W-2L, 3.03GAA, 0.891 Sv%

Quite the performance so far...


Rattie, Malone, and possibly Stanton are proving to be good moves. But it really makes you wonder about using up all those contracts on all these players? Could similar players on AHL-only deals not have been signed? Thus freeing up contact spots for moves during the season?



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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 12:51

Adam wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 10:12

Because I was curious:

Mitch Callahan RW - 10GP 0-0-0
Ryan Stanton D - 3GP 0-0-0
Grayson Downing C - 6GP 0-2-2
Brian Ferlin RW 0GP 0-0-0 (injured in camp, just waived & demoted by Oilers)
Ty Rattie RW - 10GP 6-3-9
Keegan Lowe D - 2GP 0-0-0
Edward Pasquale G - 5GP 2W-2L, 3.03GAA, 0.891 Sv%

Quite the performance so far...


Rattie, Malone, and possibly Stanton are proving to be good moves. But it really makes you wonder about using up all those contracts on all these players? Could similar players on AHL-only deals not have been signed? Thus freeing up contact spots for moves during the season?


Yeah, Malone was signed a couple days after this glut. He's been alright, although 0 points in 4 NHL games and 3 points in 8 AHL games isn't lighting the world on fire.

I'm not sure what you're seeing in Stanton...another defenceman on a team thick with them...so you have several defencemen prospects - Simpson, Bear, Jones, Piagin, Mantha all scrapping for not just ice time, but even who gets to play. Team has 9 defencemen on the roster to my count (Fayne, Lowe, Betker are the others). That's too many.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 10:12

Because I was curious:

Mitch Callahan RW - 10GP 0-0-0
Ryan Stanton D - 3GP 0-0-0
Grayson Downing C - 6GP 0-2-2
Brian Ferlin RW 0GP 0-0-0 (injured in camp, just waived & demoted by Oilers)
Ty Rattie RW - 10GP 6-3-9
Keegan Lowe D - 2GP 0-0-0
Edward Pasquale G - 5GP 2W-2L, 3.03GAA, 0.891 Sv%

Quite the performance so far...


With Colin Larkin joining the team, it seemed like a good time for an update on this:

Mitch Callahan RW - 45GP 2-7-9
Ryan Stanton D - 35GP 0-4-4
Grayson Downing C - 44GP 3-19-22
Brian Ferlin RW - 7GP 1-0-1
Ty Rattie RW - 50GP 20-20-40
Keegan Lowe D - 41GP 2-10-12
Edward Pasquale G - 16GP 6W-5L, 2.60GAA, 0.910 Sv% (traded to Tampa for future considerations)

All these guys have helped bring a lot of leadership and culture to the team no doubt though...Bakersfield is sitting dead last in the Pacific Division. SIGH.



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I predict Keegan Lowe will dress a game for the Oilers this season when our defense gets a few injuries. And we will all mentally barf after realizing that not much has changed.


How could one doubt the braintrust of 6 Cups Kevin Lowe, MacT's E-MBA from Queens, Paul Coffey's skills coach resume, and drunk Gretzky?

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I'm ok with the Oiler moves today... Nothing splashy. The only ones that might have a shot at some NHL action next year are Ty Rattie and Ryan Stanton. As far as other signings around the league, the only ones I'm disappointed we missed out on were Cammellari to L.A. and maybe Ryan Murphy (as a cheap #8 defenseman). I think Khaira will spend the season with the big club, and the likes of Simpson and Laleggia will get a cup of coffee.


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Brian Ferlin was a solid Bruins prospect, turned into the Boston version of Pitlick, concussion took him out most of one year, then played a couple games the next season, promptly out for the season with a knee.

This is his comeback attempt, another long shot reclamation by Chiarelli.
The Callahan guy looks like he can play, might be potential there.
Don't understand the goalie addition, they have a bunch already, Starret, Wells, now Pasquale, someone's going to the ECHL.

I think Oilers would have signed back Osterle and Pitlick, but likely only offered them two-ways, they were both after one ways. plus, maybe Oilers have better medical data on Pitlick's knee injury, and figured he'd be a longshot to recover fully. I'm wondering if its a second time injury to the same knee, he's had three..

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Nice optics.

Out of all the middling plug hockey players in North America, it had to be Keegan.

There was no reasonable facsimile out there.

No, it's certainly not the end of the world, but Nicholson needs to finally snuff this crap out of the organization. That day is starting to seem so close.....yet so far away.



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g2k wrote on Sun, 02 July 2017 08:30

Nice optics.

Out of all the middling plug hockey players in North America, it had to be Keegan.

There was no reasonable facsimile out there.

No, it's certainly not the end of the world, but Nicholson needs to finally snuff this crap out of the organization. That day is starting to seem so close.....yet so far away.


No one does optics like the Oilers!

Honestly, I don't even think they know it looks bad.



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g2k wrote on Sun, 02 July 2017 07:30

Nice optics.

Out of all the middling plug hockey players in North America, it had to be Keegan.

There was no reasonable facsimile out there.

No, it's certainly not the end of the world, but Nicholson needs to finally snuff this crap out of the organization. That day is starting to seem so close.....yet so far away.



They also have McClellan's kid coming to development camp



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From the Oilers twitter account.

"The #Oilers have signed Brad Malone to a two-year contract.

The 28-year-old forward has 13 goals, 17 assists in 176 @NHL games with Colorado & Carolina & finished 2016-17 with @TheAHL Chicago Wolves."

Excellent, Chia keeps signing AHL players.



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Chia's offseason is starting to look a lot like Tambo's.




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PlusOne wrote on Mon, 03 July 2017 13:26

From the Oilers twitter account.

"The #Oilers have signed Brad Malone to a two-year contract.

The 28-year-old forward has 13 goals, 17 assists in 176 @NHL games with Colorado & Carolina & finished 2016-17 with @TheAHL Chicago Wolves."

Excellent, Chia keeps signing AHL players.


And middle of the road AHL players at that.

Does anyone understand the strategy this summer? Is there ANY plan?

The idea that Draisaitl and the threat of an offer sheet has paralyzed the team doesn't hold a lot of water. There's $18MM cap space, and McDavid's new deal doesn't count against this year's cap.

They are filling up contract spots like crazy - we've got 42 filled now with Draisaitl, Simpson and Laleggia as #43-45 - but we've yet to sign anyone who you'd think will make any impact at the AHL level even.

The over/under for NHL games for the 8 players signed so far has to be about 15 - and that number is highly dependent on Ty Rattie, because I'd be shocked to see anyone else play any meaningful big league role.

In some summers, you could suggest that slow playing the field is the right decision, because most of the contracts are nuts in early July, but in the first three days, we've seen a bunch of value contracts signed by good players like Cammalleri, Hemsky and Hartnell.

In Edmonton, we just wait to hear about the contracts for our own two players, and watch as we sign aging minor league players...(and of course indulge in a little nepotism and cronyism!)



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Adam wrote on Mon, 03 July 2017 20:31

PlusOne wrote on Mon, 03 July 2017 13:26

From the Oilers twitter account.

"The #Oilers have signed Brad Malone to a two-year contract.

The 28-year-old forward has 13 goals, 17 assists in 176 @NHL games with Colorado & Carolina & finished 2016-17 with @TheAHL Chicago Wolves."

Excellent, Chia keeps signing AHL players.


And middle of the road AHL players at that.

Does anyone understand the strategy this summer? Is there ANY plan?

The idea that Draisaitl and the threat of an offer sheet has paralyzed the team doesn't hold a lot of water. There's $18MM cap space, and McDavid's new deal doesn't count against this year's cap.

They are filling up contract spots like crazy - we've got 42 filled now with Draisaitl, Simpson and Laleggia as #43-45 - but we've yet to sign anyone who you'd think will make any impact at the AHL level even.

The over/under for NHL games for the 8 players signed so far has to be about 15 - and that number is highly dependent on Ty Rattie, because I'd be shocked to see anyone else play any meaningful big league role.

In some summers, you could suggest that slow playing the field is the right decision, because most of the contracts are nuts in early July, but in the first three days, we've seen a bunch of value contracts signed by good players like Cammalleri, Hemsky and Hartnell.

In Edmonton, we just wait to hear about the contracts for our own two players, and watch as we sign aging minor league players...(and of course indulge in a little nepotism and cronyism!)


The plan seems to be, don't do crap until Drai and McDavid contracts are done.

I find it hard to argue against it either if the negotiations have been difficult so far. And Montreal looks like a legitimate candidate for an offer sheet to Drai. They haven't had a #1C forever, just lost their best RW to UFA and they are desperate to make something of Price's career. Not saying it'll happen, but can you ever really know what goes on in the mind of someone that would trade Subban for an older crappier version of Subban?

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 03 July 2017 20:44


The plan seems to be, don't do crap until Drai and McDavid contracts are done.

I find it hard to argue against it either if the negotiations have been difficult so far. And Montreal looks like a legitimate candidate for an offer sheet to Drai. They haven't had a #1C forever, just lost their best RW to UFA and they are desperate to make something of Price's career. Not saying it'll happen, but can you ever really know what goes on in the mind of someone that would trade Subban for an older crappier version of Subban?


I can understand not signing any long-term deals, because next year's cap is going to get hit hard by these two contracts.

But what's the worst that an offer sheet for Draisaitl could look like? $10MM per season? If so, that's a massive risk for the team making that offer, because if the Oilers were NOT to match it, it's a huge gamble. No one else has had the opportunity to see him thrive away from Connor McDavid as a #1 Centre either. So even if there's a possibility of an offer sheet, that still leaves the Oilers with about $8MM to play with.

I would say that we have some holes in our line-up - most particularly at right wing and defence - but I also know that the GM recently mentioned that he believes that you need to leave room for players to grow in to (?!?) so it sure sounds like the plan right now down the right side is Nuge/Strome, Puljujarvi, Slepyshev & Kassian. Once again, it doesn't look like there's going to be any competition for that RW slot for Puljujarvi, because the Oilers don't ever learn on this sort of thing. Slepyshev has only 52 NHL games to his name too, so counting on the two of them down the right seems foolish.

Oilers management has seemed to have this belief that having McDavid was going to bring in the free agents, so shouldn't we have been able to be in the conversation on some of these value deal free agents? The list is already looking pretty picked over now, other than some of the ancients.

I'd be happy seeing the Oilers take a one year flyer on a guy like Vanek...only 33 years old with 48 points in 68 games last year...but I'd be surprised now to see us do it. It's looking increasingly like the roster is set - which makes you really scratch your head about the Pouliot buyout...why save cap space now if you don't need it? I really don't think there's much of a plan at all...



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Adam wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 08:28

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 03 July 2017 20:44


The plan seems to be, don't do crap until Drai and McDavid contracts are done.

I find it hard to argue against it either if the negotiations have been difficult so far. And Montreal looks like a legitimate candidate for an offer sheet to Drai. They haven't had a #1C forever, just lost their best RW to UFA and they are desperate to make something of Price's career. Not saying it'll happen, but can you ever really know what goes on in the mind of someone that would trade Subban for an older crappier version of Subban?


I can understand not signing any long-term deals, because next year's cap is going to get hit hard by these two contracts.

But what's the worst that an offer sheet for Draisaitl could look like? $10MM per season? If so, that's a massive risk for the team making that offer, because if the Oilers were NOT to match it, it's a huge gamble. No one else has had the opportunity to see him thrive away from Connor McDavid as a #1 Centre either. So even if there's a possibility of an offer sheet, that still leaves the Oilers with about $8MM to play with.

I would say that we have some holes in our line-up - most particularly at right wing and defence - but I also know that the GM recently mentioned that he believes that you need to leave room for players to grow in to (?!?) so it sure sounds like the plan right now down the right side is Nuge/Strome, Puljujarvi, Slepyshev & Kassian. Once again, it doesn't look like there's going to be any competition for that RW slot for Puljujarvi, because the Oilers don't ever learn on this sort of thing. Slepyshev has only 52 NHL games to his name too, so counting on the two of them down the right seems foolish.

Oilers management has seemed to have this belief that having McDavid was going to bring in the free agents, so shouldn't we have been able to be in the conversation on some of these value deal free agents? The list is already looking pretty picked over now, other than some of the ancients.

I'd be happy seeing the Oilers take a one year flyer on a guy like Vanek...only 33 years old with 48 points in 68 games last year...but I'd be surprised now to see us do it. It's looking increasingly like the roster is set - which makes you really scratch your head about the Pouliot buyout...why save cap space now if you don't need it? I really don't think there's much of a plan at all...


I imagine Vanek thinks he's worth 4M+ on a 1 year deal. He had a decent season last year and he's used to big paydays :)

So, our cap situation. He have ~17.9M free. Imagine Drai gets a 9.8M offer sheet and we match (2 1st a 2nd and 3rd aren't that great, so may as well sign him and try to trade him in a year if he's not living up to it), we have ~8.1M left. McDavid bonuses are 2.9M, so take that right off cause he's getting them. 5.2M left. Pulju can earn 2.5M. Say you're bullish on the Pulju,leaves 2.7M. Nurse and Benning could get ice time bonuses, Nurse could get a shot blocking bonus, Benning a +/- one. Might be another 500k there. So 2.2 left. Slep and Caggiula have bonuses too (how the hell did Slep get 600k of schedule A bonuses?).

I dunno, I think we're pretty tight already with the potential offersheet looming. Might have been able to sign a 1-2M guy. It would be nice to wait a bit though and maybe actually find out we have enough money to sign a Vanek or maybe even Jagr :)

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I imagine Vanek thinks he's worth 4M+ on a 1 year deal. He had a decent season last year and he's used to big paydays :)

So, our cap situation. He have ~17.9M free. Imagine Drai gets a 9.8M offer sheet and we match (2 1st a 2nd and 3rd aren't that great, so may as well sign him and try to trade him in a year if he's not living up to it), we have ~8.1M left. McDavid bonuses are 2.9M, so take that right off cause he's getting them. 5.2M left. Pulju can earn 2.5M. Say you're bullish on the Pulju,leaves 2.7M. Nurse and Benning could get ice time bonuses, Nurse could get a shot blocking bonus, Benning a +/- one. Might be another 500k there. So 2.2 left. Slep and Caggiula have bonuses too (how the hell did Slep get 600k of schedule A bonuses?).

I dunno, I think we're pretty tight already with the potential offersheet looming. Might have been able to sign a 1-2M guy. It would be nice to wait a bit though and maybe actually find out we have enough money to sign a Vanek or maybe even Jagr :)


Do we know what the bonus criteria for all these guys are? $7.525MM in potential bonuses is an ugly number, but how many of them are a real threat? I mean, I think McDavid's bonuses are guaranteed, but did any of the other guys on this list trigger any bonuses last year?

There's definitely some challenge to managing it - CapFriendly's number still actually includes Fayne on the NHL roster, but lacks a 13th and 14th forward - which probably comes out pretty close.

There's a lot of dead cap space for the Oilers too. $1MM for Korpikoski, $1.33MM for Pouliot. $2.6MM for Fayne when he's buried and another $850,000 for bonus overages from last year. That's ~$5.75MM sidelined...great management guys! (Again, how does everyone still have jobs???)

Interesting thought with the bonuses - it probably makes us less likely to sign a Jagr, Doan or Iginla type, as other teams may be able to enrich the deal with bonuses, while we can't really risk that.

With Vanek, he's got a reputation that could hurt him. And he's missed the first gold rush...which means he's almost certainly taking less than he originally hoped...




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Do we know what the bonus criteria for all these guys are? $7.525MM in potential bonuses is an ugly number, but how many of them are a real threat? I mean, I think McDavid's bonuses are guaranteed, but did any of the other guys on this list trigger any bonuses last year?



The Schedule A bonuses are all specified in the CBA, here's a pdf version:

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/CBA2012/NHL_NHLPA_2013_CBA. pdf

The bonuses start on page 326 of the document. I'm pretty sure that Nurse's contract includes all of the Schedule A bonuses, so assuming the dollar amount is evenly distributed among the 10, it's $85k/bonus. Benning only has $300k in total bonus, so assume $30k/bonus.

I think Kr55 is being a bit generous in his assumptions for those two. At best, I think they hit 2 each, so you're looking at aroung $200 - $250k total.

I have serious doubts that Slep or Caggiula hit 20 goals or 35 assists, but even if they hit one each, you're likely only looking at $100k total.

Puljujarvi is obviously a bit more of a wild card as he's obviously skilled, but hitting 20 goals seems a bit of a stretch based on last years performance. Of course the Oilers have zero right wing depth so he could be forced into a top 6/PP role and get there (this problem could have been easily avoided, but that's another issue). I can't find his Schedule B bonuses anywhere as the NHL is ridiculous with their contracts so it's tough to say how likely he is to hit any of those.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 07:54


Do we know what the bonus criteria for all these guys are? $7.525MM in potential bonuses is an ugly number, but how many of them are a real threat? I mean, I think McDavid's bonuses are guaranteed, but did any of the other guys on this list trigger any bonuses last year?



The Schedule A bonuses are all specified in the CBA, here's a pdf version:

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/CBA2012/NHL_NHLPA_2013_CBA. pdf

The bonuses start on page 326 of the document. I'm pretty sure that Nurse's contract includes all of the Schedule A bonuses, so assuming the dollar amount is evenly distributed among the 10, it's $85k/bonus. Benning only has $300k in total bonus, so assume $30k/bonus.

I think Kr55 is being a bit generous in his assumptions for those two. At best, I think they hit 2 each, so you're looking at aroung $200 - $250k total.

I have serious doubts that Slep or Caggiula hit 20 goals or 35 assists, but even if they hit one each, you're likely only looking at $100k total.

Puljujarvi is obviously a bit more of a wild card as he's obviously skilled, but hitting 20 goals seems a bit of a stretch based on last years performance. Of course the Oilers have zero right wing depth so he could be forced into a top 6/PP role and get there (this problem could have been easily avoided, but that's another issue). I can't find his Schedule B bonuses anywhere as the NHL is ridiculous with their contracts so it's tough to say how likely he is to hit any of those.


I think hitting bonuses gives you 1/4th of the max bonus each. So Nurse gets ~200k a pop. Benning 75k each. Slep 150k (again, how did he get 600k of schedule A? lol).




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I think hitting bonuses gives you 1/4th of the max bonus each. So Nurse gets ~200k a pop. Benning 75k each. Slep 150k (again, how did he get 600k of schedule A? lol).




Interesting. I was under the impression that you could structure them however you wanted up to a max of $850k, with no one bonus being worth more than $212,500. The example given in the CBA is that you could have a bonus of $100k for hitting 20 goals and then an additional $112.5k for hitting 30 goals.

But again, the NHL is stupidly secretive about how their contracts are structured, so you could be totally right.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 09:24


I think hitting bonuses gives you 1/4th of the max bonus each. So Nurse gets ~200k a pop. Benning 75k each. Slep 150k (again, how did he get 600k of schedule A? lol).




Interesting. I was under the impression that you could structure them however you wanted up to a max of $850k, with no one bonus being worth more than $212,500. The example given in the CBA is that you could have a bonus of $100k for hitting 20 goals and then an additional $112.5k for hitting 30 goals.

But again, the NHL is stupidly secretive about how their contracts are structured, so you could be totally right.


You may be right for guys like Slep and Benning. I know for sure that Nurse had the same structure as guys like McDavid/Drai where each bonus was set up for the 1/4th thing. Nurse's bonuses actually contributed to some overage the year before.

I'm just assuming the NHL is lazy and they just use the 1/4th thing for everything, since hitting 4 is plenty hard enough.

GeneralFanager actually used to show the bonus breakdowns for players. too bad capfriendly doesn't do the same.

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Puljujarvi is obviously a bit more of a wild card as he's obviously skilled, but hitting 20 goals seems a bit of a stretch based on last years performance. Of course the Oilers have zero right wing depth so he could be forced into a top 6/PP role and get there (this problem could have been easily avoided, but that's another issue). I can't find his Schedule B bonuses anywhere as the NHL is ridiculous with their contracts so it's tough to say how likely he is to hit any of those.


Of course, if you add right wing depth, you pretty much remove the concern of bonuses for Puljujarvi. Given past performance, it's unlikely that he's going to beat out a veteran. If the Oilers had managed to sign one of the bargain-priced wingers for $1MM, they have about $50,000 more against the cap with Puljujarvi in the minors, and they have no danger of him hitting any of those bonuses.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 10:26

Goose wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 10:11


Puljujarvi is obviously a bit more of a wild card as he's obviously skilled, but hitting 20 goals seems a bit of a stretch based on last years performance. Of course the Oilers have zero right wing depth so he could be forced into a top 6/PP role and get there (this problem could have been easily avoided, but that's another issue). I can't find his Schedule B bonuses anywhere as the NHL is ridiculous with their contracts so it's tough to say how likely he is to hit any of those.


Of course, if you add right wing depth, you pretty much remove the concern of bonuses for Puljujarvi. Given past performance, it's unlikely that he's going to beat out a veteran. If the Oilers had managed to sign one of the bargain-priced wingers for $1MM, they have about $50,000 more against the cap with Puljujarvi in the minors, and they have no danger of him hitting any of those bonuses.


If Pulju comes into next season on fire and puts himself in a position to get a schedule B bonus, I'm pretty sure he will be better than any vet we bring in :)

Very very unlikely of course, but the Oilers thought Reinhart was NHL ready for 15/16, so who knows what management is thinking is possible.



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If Pulju comes into next season on fire and puts himself in a position to get a schedule B bonus, I'm pretty sure he will be better than any vet we bring in :)

Very very unlikely of course, but the Oilers thought Reinhart was NHL ready for 15/16, so who knows what management is thinking is possible.


That's what's most frustrating to me. The team keeps making the same mistakes year after year after year.

2014-15 -> Draisaitl gifted a spot on the team as the Oilers had only two centres with substantial NHL experience heading in to camp.

2015-16 -> Reinhart determined to be so NHL-ready by Oilers brass (I don't give Chiarelli a pass on this one. He's the GM, so he owns those decisions) that we give up a first and second round pick for him. He's in the lineup for opening night, but can't stick on a team with a defence that features at various points that year Nikitin, Pardy, Clendening, Ference, and Hunt.

2016-17 -> Puljujarvi was the youngest player picked in his draft class. He had never played on North American size rinks for any length of time. He struggled through training camp and never looked dominant at all...and so the Oilers cleared the decks for him, trading Yakupov, failing to sign Versteeg and ignoring Parenteau on waivers.

2017-18 -> Do we do the same thing again for Puljujarvi? He has yet to show dominance at the AHL level and he's still really young. There's no need to rush him, there are other options, and there's possible negative results if he exceeds expectations out of the gate and yet you have the GM saying that they need to leave room for young players to grow in to a spot...



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Adam wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 09:45

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 10:29


If Pulju comes into next season on fire and puts himself in a position to get a schedule B bonus, I'm pretty sure he will be better than any vet we bring in :)

Very very unlikely of course, but the Oilers thought Reinhart was NHL ready for 15/16, so who knows what management is thinking is possible.


That's what's most frustrating to me. The team keeps making the same mistakes year after year after year.

2014-15 -> Draisaitl gifted a spot on the team as the Oilers had only two centres with substantial NHL experience heading in to camp.

2015-16 -> Reinhart determined to be so NHL-ready by Oilers brass (I don't give Chiarelli a pass on this one. He's the GM, so he owns those decisions) that we give up a first and second round pick for him. He's in the lineup for opening night, but can't stick on a team with a defence that features at various points that year Nikitin, Pardy, Clendening, Ference, and Hunt.

2016-17 -> Puljujarvi was the youngest player picked in his draft class. He had never played on North American size rinks for any length of time. He struggled through training camp and never looked dominant at all...and so the Oilers cleared the decks for him, trading Yakupov, failing to sign Versteeg and ignoring Parenteau on waivers.

2017-18 -> Do we do the same thing again for Puljujarvi? He has yet to show dominance at the AHL level and he's still really young. There's no need to rush him, there are other options, and there's possible negative results if he exceeds expectations out of the gate and yet you have the GM saying that they need to leave room for young players to grow in to a spot...


What are you talking about? it's quite obviously Kailer Yamamoto's turn this year....



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Adam wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 09:45


2017-18 -> Do we do the same thing again for Puljujarvi? He has yet to show dominance at the AHL level and he's still really young. There's no need to rush him, there are other options, and there's possible negative results if he exceeds expectations out of the gate and yet you have the GM saying that they need to leave room for young players to grow in to a spot...


What are talking about? it's quite obviously Kailer Yamamoto's turn this year....



Haha! God forbid.

Would it really shock anyone? The Oilers demote Puljujarvi to the minors, but keep the smurf because he had a really good camp...



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Adam wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 11:38

jds308 wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 11:37

Adam wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 09:45


2017-18 -> Do we do the same thing again for Puljujarvi? He has yet to show dominance at the AHL level and he's still really young. There's no need to rush him, there are other options, and there's possible negative results if he exceeds expectations out of the gate and yet you have the GM saying that they need to leave room for young players to grow in to a spot...


What are talking about? it's quite obviously Kailer Yamamoto's turn this year....



Haha! God forbid.

Would it really shock anyone? The Oilers demote Puljujarvi to the minors, but keep the smurf because he had a really good camp...


And then keep him around JUUUUST long enough to burn a year of his ELC/year to UFA



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Adam wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 11:38

jds308 wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 11:37

Adam wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 09:45


2017-18 -> Do we do the same thing again for Puljujarvi? He has yet to show dominance at the AHL level and he's still really young. There's no need to rush him, there are other options, and there's possible negative results if he exceeds expectations out of the gate and yet you have the GM saying that they need to leave room for young players to grow in to a spot...


What are talking about? it's quite obviously Kailer Yamamoto's turn this year....



Haha! God forbid.

Would it really shock anyone? The Oilers demote Puljujarvi to the minors, but keep the smurf because he had a really good camp...


Also...hahaha...



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Adam wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 11:13

Adam wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 11:38

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Adam wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 09:45


2017-18 -> Do we do the same thing again for Puljujarvi? He has yet to show dominance at the AHL level and he's still really young. There's no need to rush him, there are other options, and there's possible negative results if he exceeds expectations out of the gate and yet you have the GM saying that they need to leave room for young players to grow in to a spot...


What are talking about? it's quite obviously Kailer Yamamoto's turn this year....



Haha! God forbid.

Would it really shock anyone? The Oilers demote Puljujarvi to the minors, but keep the smurf because he had a really good camp...


Also...hahaha...


LOL! Nice call! However, haven't we had a discussion about quoting your own posts though??



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OilPeg wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 12:47

Adam wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 11:13

Adam wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 11:38

jds308 wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 11:37

Adam wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 09:45


2017-18 -> Do we do the same thing again for Puljujarvi? He has yet to show dominance at the AHL level and he's still really young. There's no need to rush him, there are other options, and there's possible negative results if he exceeds expectations out of the gate and yet you have the GM saying that they need to leave room for young players to grow in to a spot...


What are talking about? it's quite obviously Kailer Yamamoto's turn this year....



Haha! God forbid.

Would it really shock anyone? The Oilers demote Puljujarvi to the minors, but keep the smurf because he had a really good camp...


Also...hahaha...


LOL! Nice call! However, haven't we had a discussion about quoting your own posts though??


I don't recall. My wife has definitely told me I can't like my own Facebook posts though...



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Adam wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 13:48

OilPeg wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 12:47

Adam wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 11:13

Adam wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 11:38

jds308 wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 11:37

Adam wrote on Tue, 04 July 2017 09:45


2017-18 -> Do we do the same thing again for Puljujarvi? He has yet to show dominance at the AHL level and he's still really young. There's no need to rush him, there are other options, and there's possible negative results if he exceeds expectations out of the gate and yet you have the GM saying that they need to leave room for young players to grow in to a spot...


What are talking about? it's quite obviously Kailer Yamamoto's turn this year....



Haha! God forbid.

Would it really shock anyone? The Oilers demote Puljujarvi to the minors, but keep the smurf because he had a really good camp...


Also...hahaha...


LOL! Nice call! However, haven't we had a discussion about quoting your own posts though??


I don't recall. My wife has definitely told me I can't like my own Facebook posts though...


something familiar about this...



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Even if his name wasn't Lowe and even if he was not the son of the vice chair of the OEG.. that's a suspect signing at best. I agree with the thoughts on here that he will likely suit up for the Oilers this season.

The depth of this organization is paper thin.

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Keegan Lowe signed for a 2-year extension to an NHL contract. In case anyone wonders how much influence Kevin Lowe has in decisions still.

This is mind-boggling. By 25, you know what Lowe is: a career AHL player. To use a spot on the 50 man roster and take away development time from others on this play is insanity. This contract would have been far better going to a college free agent that has a shot at becoming an NHL player.

I don't really care about the high AHL money, because whatever, it doesn't really affect anything. But I am fully convinced the only reason Lowe has an NHL contract again is because of his last name and because his daddy still runs the Oilers.

Source of signing is Cap Friendly. Waiting on official release still I guess.

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