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 Re: MacT Press Conf today 4pm - Krueger fired? [message #600210 is a reply to message #600205 ]
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He sounded like an a$$#$@.....what a gong show


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Boniman wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 15:14

He sounded like an a$$#$@.....what a gong show


I'll take that 7 days of the week over the indecisive mutterings of our previous GM, and I use "GM" loosely.



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Uh oh. Stauffer saying the Oilers have invested 7 years in Buchburger sees no need to replace that.


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nullterm wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:16

Uh oh. Stauffer saying the Oilers have invested 7 years in Buchburger sees no need to replace that.



Tell that to Horcoff and Hemsky...



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 Re: MacT Press Conf today 4pm - Krueger fired? [message #600217 is a reply to message #600210 ]
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Tambo is too indecisive, I hate him!

MacT is too decisive, I hate him!



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hmc wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:17

Tambo is too indecisive, I hate him!

MacT is too decisive, I hate him!


I'd much rather eat the porridge that is just right, rather than the porridge that is either too cold or too hot.




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Magnum wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 15:20

hmc wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:17

Tambo is too indecisive, I hate him!

MacT is too decisive, I hate him!


I'd much rather eat the porridge that is just right, rather than the porridge that is either too cold or too hot.




You're an Oiler fan, just right isn't an option.



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 Re: MacT Press Conf today 4pm - Krueger fired? [message #600222 is a reply to message #600220 ]
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Magnum wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 18:20

hmc wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:17

Tambo is too indecisive, I hate him!

MacT is too decisive, I hate him!


I'd much rather eat the porridge that is just right, rather than the porridge that is either too cold or too hot.




Which in this case would be what?



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hmc wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:21

Magnum wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 18:20

hmc wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:17

Tambo is too indecisive, I hate him!

MacT is too decisive, I hate him!


I'd much rather eat the porridge that is just right, rather than the porridge that is either too cold or too hot.




Which in this case would be what?


A GM that has the right mix of patience and decisiveness.



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 Re: MacT Press Conf today 4pm - Krueger fired? [message #600231 is a reply to message #600229 ]
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Magnum wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 18:28

A GM that has the right mix of patience and decisiveness.


I think, to stretch the Goldilocks analogy, that MacT was worried that someone else might have been sleeping in Eakins' bed if he didn't act quickly.



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 Re: MacT Press Conf today 4pm - Krueger fired? [message #600232 is a reply to message #600231 ]
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hmc wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:31

Magnum wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 18:28

A GM that has the right mix of patience and decisiveness.


I think, to stretch the Goldilocks analogy, that MacT was worried that someone else might have been sleeping in Eakins' bed if he didn't act quickly.


Very likely Vancouver. New York and Dallas had links to him too, but it was sounding more and more like he was heading to the Canucks.

If they really believe that Eakins is "the guy" and didn't have that belief in Krueger, it does make sense to act quickly and finalize a deal before your divisional rival beats you to it.



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hmc wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 15:31

Magnum wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 18:28

A GM that has the right mix of patience and decisiveness.


I think, to stretch the Goldilocks analogy, that MacT was worried that someone else might have been sleeping in Eakins' bed if he didn't act quickly.


After last season, how good would it be if we ended up stealing away Schultz and Eakins away from signing with the Canucks.



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hmc wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:31

Magnum wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 18:28

A GM that has the right mix of patience and decisiveness.


I think, to stretch the Goldilocks analogy, that MacT was worried that someone else might have been sleeping in Eakins' bed if he didn't act quickly.


I'm torn by the move, I like the selection of Eakins, I don't like the brashness of MacT.

This to add to his recent devaluing his assets, shows a good deal of impatience, which is probably worse than over-cautiousness.

He just came from saying two months ago that it's time to stop blaming the coach. The guy is running reds everywhere, he's going to get side swiped soon.



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Magnum wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 15:36

hmc wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:31

Magnum wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 18:28

A GM that has the right mix of patience and decisiveness.


I think, to stretch the Goldilocks analogy, that MacT was worried that someone else might have been sleeping in Eakins' bed if he didn't act quickly.


I'm torn by the move, I like the selection of Eakins, I don't like the brashness of MacT.

This to add to his recent devaluing his assets, shows a good deal of impatience, which is probably worse than over-cautiousness.

He just came from saying two months ago that it's time to stop blaming the coach. The guy is running reds everywhere, he's going to get side swiped soon.


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Hey, at least he didn't hire himself back as Head Coach. Can you imagine..."Ralph you're fired, Craig you're hired!" *pats himself on the back*


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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:37

Magnum wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 15:36

hmc wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:31

Magnum wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 18:28

A GM that has the right mix of patience and decisiveness.


I think, to stretch the Goldilocks analogy, that MacT was worried that someone else might have been sleeping in Eakins' bed if he didn't act quickly.


I'm torn by the move, I like the selection of Eakins, I don't like the brashness of MacT.

This to add to his recent devaluing his assets, shows a good deal of impatience, which is probably worse than over-cautiousness.

He just came from saying two months ago that it's time to stop blaming the coach. The guy is running reds everywhere, he's going to get side swiped soon.


When you clean house, you're going to stir up some dust... and if its a big job, you might need a dumpster.


I don't think the dust has settled from the last clean up, and a lot of the same garbage is still there.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:37



When you clean house, you're going to stir up some dust... and if its a big job, you might need a dumpster.


This. My company has had that happen in the last 6 months. We had 8 straight quarters where we missed the Street so the house got cleaned from top to bottom, with few staying where they were. A lot of the problems were sacked.



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 Re: MacT Press Conf today 4pm - Krueger fired? [message #600288 is a reply to message #600229 ]
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Magnum wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:28

hmc wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:21

Magnum wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 18:20

hmc wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:17

Tambo is too indecisive, I hate him!

MacT is too decisive, I hate him!


I'd much rather eat the porridge that is just right, rather than the porridge that is either too cold or too hot.




Which in this case would be what?


A GM that has the right mix of patience and decisiveness.



You've been drinking too much porridge.



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 Re: MacT Press Conf today 4pm - Krueger fired? [message #600211 is a reply to message #600205 ]
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Hemmer2Eberle wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:10

I like that MacT is going to let the new coach pick his staff members.

I'm starting to think MacT is telling Lowe to back up, while he runs the ship, cause Tambo would have never let this happen.


Well, he SAYS that he will, and then immediately followed that with a statement that he strongly hopes that the current assistant staff remains unchanged. So, he goes out and interviews asst coaches, finds a guy he wants as an asst coach, and then tosses out the old coach (who had half a season, no training camp, etc) because, basically, Krueger wasn't MacT's hiring.

I would be surprised if the asst's get let go.



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 Re: MacT Press Conf today 4pm - Krueger fired? [message #600281 is a reply to message #600211 ]
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Hey, we never expected today's news, and now look.

I think we will be in for many surprises this season.



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 Re: MacT Press Conf - Krueger Fired [message #600207 is a reply to message #600172 ]
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Mac T has a very get out of my way , I am sick of this team losing approach and I for one love it.

He doesn't care about feelings only results, about time this business was ran as a business!



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KenMoreira wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:13

Mac T has a very get out of my way , I am sick of this team losing approach and I for one love it.

He doesn't care about feelings only results, about time this business was ran as a business!



I agree whole-heartedly.

... but there's a lot people on this board who are only happy when they're whining. They should call this site "Oilbi*ch".




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Press Conference in Summary: "You draw your own conclusions."

Very odd and tight-lipped. We'll see what happens in the next few days. Most insiders are predicting Dallas Eakins to the Oilers is essentially a done deal.

Again, don't like the turnover, but I do like the guy I think we might be getting.

Feel bad for Krueger in all of this since I'm not sure he got treated fairly (and MacTavish said as much) and can only imagine he's kind of upset.

I do like that MacTavish seems to making the decisions though and that he is taking ownership for the decisions he made. I like that he isn't afraid to make a move that seems right for the club, but there is a part of me that worries that due diligence may take a backseat to boldness. We'll see.

In any case, seems the GM role is more clearly identified and defined than it has been in years.

[Updated on: Sat, 08 June 2013 16:17]


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As afore mentioned feel bad for Krueger, should've had a longer leash, however I wasn't sold on him a year ago when Renney was let go, felt that the whole coaching staff should have been dismissed at that point. A completely new coarse of direction needed to occur at that point...hopefully Eakins is the right man for the task at hand...stay tuned people icon_rolleyes


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HOLY F___ !!! Did NOT see this coming AT ALL.

I think this move gives you insight into who made the decision on Krueger as HC, Tambo, and that it may not have been the concensus choice in the organization.

WOW.

Liked Kreueger, great character guy, but if you looked at all the teams that went deep in the playoffs this year, and who they had as coaches, not a lot of guys that hadn't spent their careers in the NHL as either a player or coach, might be something to that, and the Oil didn't want to take the time out in thier rebuild to let Krueger train on the job.

Too bad, nice guy, all the best to him, as they say .. "hired to be fired"...

Thankfully its not Maurice replacing him.



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According to MacT, it wasn't the plan.

MacT started looking for an experienced compliment to Krueger, with Krueger as part of the process for a week or so.

But then MacT realised could find a better head coach so he pulled the trigger.

Wow.



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"MacT started looking for an experienced compliment to Krueger, with Krueger as part of the process for a week or so." I don't believe that one bit, I think at the end of the year it was in the back of his mind to move into a new direction and with the circumstance of so many options available Vignault, Ruff, Eakins, Torts (yikes) possible Todd Nelson, Tippett, Gretz or Mess perhaps ect. to tough to pass on considering this team and group has a short leash, hard to think that if they don't make the playoffs next year Katz would hear such backlash from the faithful to force his hand and axe Lowe and MacT.




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If Buchberger is named head coach, I'm out.

I've had enough of Katz and his treefort buddies screwing up my team.



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I hope Mac T really evaluated this decision and didn't make the call just because he didn't hire Krueger. Even then i find it very hard to believe you can evaluate this short of a season with no training camp and a team where your star players are all so young.

At least this way Mac T doesn't have the excuse that Krueger wasn't his hire a year from now if the Oilers are no better than this year.

Also how is this coach graded? Do the Oilers have to make the playoffs for the new hire to be considered us moving in the right direction? Or just finish better than last year?

If your hiring Dallas Eakins does he get the excuse that he hasn't coached very long and he's inexperienced if he fails?

You should be hiring a coach that will bring real discipline to this team is all I'm saying.

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Well, I'm blown away, sort of like the first time I saw this picture:

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/just+wow_f4f21f_3745462.jpg

This must be a freaking nightmare on Ralph's street. Leave awesome job in Sweden where you are a national hero, get to be a head coach, then get half a season with no training camp and get fired for it.

I feel for the guy in a big way.

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All this does is reaffirm that management has no sense of direction and cohesion.


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OilLife wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 18:43

All this does is reaffirm that management has no sense of direction and cohesion.


Why?



Then I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.

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hmc wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:44

OilLife wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 18:43

All this does is reaffirm that management has no sense of direction and cohesion.


Why?


I'll let MacT explain this (thanks to your boy J Willis):

I think it’s fair to say that there’s a very remote chance that where we are right now has anything to do with coaching... We’ve gone through four coaches in the last number of years, so for me to say it’s Ralph Krueger’s fault right now would be extremely shortsighted on my part. I give Ralph a lot of credit for the way he’s maintained a positive atmosphere.

Does that not reek of a guy with no sense of direction?



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Magnum wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 18:50

hmc wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:44

OilLife wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 18:43

All this does is reaffirm that management has no sense of direction and cohesion.


Why?


I'll let MacT explain this (thanks to your boy J Willis):

I think it’s fair to say that there’s a very remote chance that where we are right now has anything to do with coaching... We’ve gone through four coaches in the last number of years, so for me to say it’s Ralph Krueger’s fault right now would be extremely shortsighted on my part. I give Ralph a lot of credit for the way he’s maintained a positive atmosphere.

Does that not reek of a guy with no sense of direction?


No. I think it reeks of a guy who came to a realization, had an opportunity present itself, and jumped on it.



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hmc wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 15:55

Magnum wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 18:50

hmc wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:44

OilLife wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 18:43

All this does is reaffirm that management has no sense of direction and cohesion.


Why?


I'll let MacT explain this (thanks to your boy J Willis):

I think it’s fair to say that there’s a very remote chance that where we are right now has anything to do with coaching... We’ve gone through four coaches in the last number of years, so for me to say it’s Ralph Krueger’s fault right now would be extremely shortsighted on my part. I give Ralph a lot of credit for the way he’s maintained a positive atmosphere.

Does that not reek of a guy with no sense of direction?


No. I think it reeks of a guy who came to a realization, had an opportunity present itself, and jumped on it.


I agree, I think he realized he had a chance to upgrade, didn't shy away from the potential critisism, made a decision, and pulled the trigger... and now we'll see if Eakins will be better. McT also said Krueger and he had talked, and he thought they did not share the same vision on the team... whatever that means.. probably a factor in this decision.



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hmc wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:55

Magnum wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 18:50

hmc wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 16:44

OilLife wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 18:43

All this does is reaffirm that management has no sense of direction and cohesion.


Why?


I'll let MacT explain this (thanks to your boy J Willis):

I think it’s fair to say that there’s a very remote chance that where we are right now has anything to do with coaching... We’ve gone through four coaches in the last number of years, so for me to say it’s Ralph Krueger’s fault right now would be extremely shortsighted on my part. I give Ralph a lot of credit for the way he’s maintained a positive atmosphere.

Does that not reek of a guy with no sense of direction?


No. I think it reeks of a guy who came to a realization, had an opportunity present itself, and jumped on it.


No doubt there are better coaches out there for the team, so this is an okay move. He probably should have figured this out a long time ago.

Impulsiveness is not a good quality for a high level executive.



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Magnum wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 20:11

No doubt there are better coaches out there for the team, so this is an okay move. He probably should have figured this out a long time ago.

Impulsiveness is not a good quality for a high level executive.


You are assuming it is impulsiveness, just as I am assuming it was not. But, if there were philosophical differences (as Mac-T alluded), and Eakins was served to him on a silver platter, I'm inclined to believe it was more calculated than impulsive.

Krueger is a motivator, not so much a tactician. Eakins appears to be both.



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hmc wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 18:19

Magnum wrote on Sat, 08 June 2013 20:11

No doubt there are better coaches out there for the team, so this is an okay move. He probably should have figured this out a long time ago.

Impulsiveness is not a good quality for a high level executive.


You are assuming it is impulsiveness, just as I am assuming it was not. But, if there were philosophical differences (as Mac-T alluded), and Eakins was served to him on a silver platter, I'm inclined to believe it was more calculated than impulsive.

Krueger is a motivator, not so much a tactician. Eakins appears to be both.


I'm pretty curious about this move. It seems very sudden to call a press conference for 4 PM on a Saturday, and on a game day in the semi-finals of the playoffs no less. Some very curious timing.

I am hearing they struck an agreement in principle with Eakins ahead of the firing, but I'm curious as to what transpired from there. Jason Gregor has been suggesting for some time that the Oilers could potentially move Krueger back to Associate Coach, and we've been wondering here how involved Krueger has been in the hiring process with the Oilers' recent interviews. I'm wondering if either MacTavish proposed Eakins as associate or co-coach and Krueger balked, knowing he'd have his successor at his elbow, or if they didn't instead pitch Krueger moving back to associate and he told them to get bent.

I wasn't a huge fan of Krueger's, but I dislike the circus atmosphere around here lately. Why are you giving a coach repeated votes of confidence, only to fire him a month later and why do we keep making headlines in the middle of a playoffs where we're not playing? For that matter, I find it a little embarrassing that the team has now had five coaches in six years. Considering that before 2008, the franchise had only had 8 coaches, and that included the one year term of Kevin Lowe and the extremely short terms of Bugsy Watson and George Burnett, it just illustrates again how far we've fallen.

I do hope this is a good move, just as I hope that the team consummates good, smart deals for Horcoff and Hemsky as promised before, but again, I dislike the fact that there has been so much drama lately. That's not the sign of a healthy franchise. When was the last time that Ken Holland took centre stage to roll out some drama? I have to think that whether you liked or agreed with the last three coaches of the Edmonton Oilers, you'd have to sympathize with them if they said they disliked the professionalism of the management group.

I thought the game had passed by Pat Quinn. There were issues with him and the team under his watch and I hated that he refused to not just line match but even to respond to other teams doing it to us. But in his defence, he had the team off to a great start before his starting goalie and best player got season-ending injuries in the same week in November. The Oilers started talking part ways through that year about a rebuild, as if it had been the plan all along as they crashed to the bottom of the standings. Even so, they "promoted" Quinn to a role in which he apparently had nothing to do with the team, and stated basically that that had been the plan the whole time. Quinn was clearly upset with how things unfolded and the Oilers didn't seem to communicate things well to him on his way out.

Tom Renney got two seasons, in which both times he talked early in the season about playoffs and both times the Oilers fell way short with Kevin Lowe reassuring us throughout that losing was always part of the plan. Needing a new contract, the Oilers left Renney twisting in the wind for months, asking him to basically apply for his own job, writing up a game plan for the next season, before at long last deciding that they were going with his assistant. As has been pointed out before, since they kept the entire coaching staff but Renney, they basically were saying that he was the problem (despite the fact that Lowe and Tambellini had planned for the team to be awful again according to them). They then allowed bit players like Eager and Hordichuk to carve Ranney in the media on multiple occasions, both during the summer and then again when the lockout finally ended.

Now, they wait for six weeks after the season ends, give Krueger the nod as head coach moving forward, say that you can't blame coaching for the season they had, meanwhile start interviewing head coaches and eventually fire the guy they said they were keeping.

Now, I understand that people are rarely going to be happy to be fired, but the Oilers seem to go out of their way to make it awkward and ensure lasting bad feelings. You've got to hope that the team plays well for Eakins because they're running out of new and embarrassing ways to handle a coach's dismissal. I can only imagine how they'll manage the next one.



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 Re: MacT Press Conf - Krueger Fired [message #600292 is a reply to message #600290 ]
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I thought for sure they'd give Krueger a full season. No real training camp, condensed short season, minimal time to practice, terrible supporting cast and all the best players barely out of their teens, even Scotty Bowman in his prime would have been hard pressed to get them into the playoffs.

Oh well, I believe that Eakins basically told MacT that he wasn't interested in associate coach, all or nothing or else he was going to Vancouver and MacT went for it. Guess we'll see if it works out but this season is going to primarily depend on what players MacT gets, not who coaches them.



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