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 Oilers Teleforum May 23rd 2013 [message #599385]
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The GM is appearing to be reaching out to the fan base on the registry and season seat holders to answer questions and give his views on what the oilers will be doing going forward.

Nice idea, really looking forward to hearing MacT and seeing if his view has changed or is more clear on what he has to do to get our squad winning again.. you can then ask him questions..

You need to be a season seat holder or on the registry to be able to listen or participate in the call.

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Oilers TeleForum tonight at 7:00pm

The first live Oilers TeleForum is tonight, Thursday, May 23 at 7:00pm (MT) and hundreds of your fellow Oilers fans have signed up to be called for the interactive call with GM Craig MacTavish.

If you have already registered, your number will be called around 7:00pm this evening. When you answer your phone, you will be automatically placed into the call.

If you weren't able to register for the call, you can still participate by calling toll-free between 7:00 - 8:00pm:

Participants will have the opportunity to hear from GM Craig MacTavish, ask live questions, answer polls and receive prizes.

We look forward to having you on the call and join in the conversation.
Thank you from your Edmonton Oilers
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Is it just me, or does "Teleforum" sound like something out of the 80's?


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Suomalainen wrote on Thu, 23 May 2013 08:49

Is it just me, or does "Teleforum" sound like something out of the 80's?

Sort of fits with the organizational mentality, why not go full retro?



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60's with operators plugging in each call into a switchboard


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Rocksteady wrote on Thu, 23 May 2013 08:11


You need to be a season seat holder or on the registry to be able to listen or participate in the call.



This is for the real fans then, not that other class of fan that mooches and just watches TV and buys 90% of the merchandise.

***EDIT*** and buys them a $600 million arena to play in

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NetBOG wrote on Thu, 23 May 2013 09:32

This is for the real fans then, not that other class of fan that mooches and just watches TV and buys 90% of the merchandise.

***EDIT*** and buys them a $600 million arena to play in


Looks like that doesn't it? Tragic as it is, it's nice that if you are willing to stand on the registry, they will include you in with the reindeer games of regular seat holders. It's...something.






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In fairness, no one is buying Lowe an arena. I strongly doubt those word represent the opinion of the company and the owner. Also, Katz is ponying up a pretty fair chunk of change.


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Haven't decided what future of Horcoff is.

Bold move won't include any if the kids, but may with the 7th overall.

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Hmm Katz is ponying up a significant chunk of change? If he wanted to impress me, he would pull a Jerry Jones aka Dallas Cowboys and pony up 2/3rds of the bill. That would be impressive. I think Jones spent over 600 million of his own money for the 1 billion dollar football stadium. Over 50%.....


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halfafrog wrote on Tue, 28 May 2013 20:42

Hmm Katz is ponying up a significant chunk of change? If he wanted to impress me, he would pull a Jerry Jones aka Dallas Cowboys and pony up 2/3rds of the bill. That would be impressive. I think Jones spent over 600 million of his own money for the 1 billion dollar football stadium. Over 50%.....


From a billionaire point of view, an NFL stadium in Texas is a far better investment than an NHL arena in Alberta. Bigger sport, bigger population base, bigger fan base, bigger TV deals.

If it was my hundreds of millions to invest (oh how I wish) I'd go for the NFL barn 7 days of the week. And I'm not even a NFL fan.



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 Re: Oilers Teleforum tonight [message #599436 is a reply to message #599405 ]
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[quote title=Rocksteady wrote on Thu, 23 May 2013 13:51]
NetBOG wrote on Thu, 23 May 2013 09:32

This is for the real fans then, not that other class of fan that mooches and just watches TV and buys 90% of the merchandise.

***EDIT*** and buys them a $600 million arena to play in



You realize if there weren't 13,000 season ticket holders willing to commit to buying tickets each year, you wouldn't have a team to watch and complain about?

Should the Oilers provide each promotion and send surveys to every single Edmontonion because they watch on TV, bought a jersey and contributed tax dollars to an arena?



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[quote title=danjo wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 09:22]
Rocksteady wrote on Thu, 23 May 2013 13:51

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 23 May 2013 09:32

This is for the real fans then, not that other class of fan that mooches and just watches TV and buys 90% of the merchandise.

***EDIT*** and buys them a $600 million arena to play in



You realize if there weren't 13,000 season ticket holders willing to commit to buying tickets each year, you wouldn't have a team to watch and complain about?

Should the Oilers provide each promotion and send surveys to every single Edmontonion because they watch on TV, bought a jersey and contributed tax dollars to an arena?



You realize that it would be just as easy to have an open forum?



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 Re: Oilers Teleforum tonight [message #599439 is a reply to message #599437 ]
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[quote title=Magnum wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 09:47]
danjo wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 09:22

Rocksteady wrote on Thu, 23 May 2013 13:51

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 23 May 2013 09:32

This is for the real fans then, not that other class of fan that mooches and just watches TV and buys 90% of the merchandise.

***EDIT*** and buys them a $600 million arena to play in



You realize if there weren't 13,000 season ticket holders willing to commit to buying tickets each year, you wouldn't have a team to watch and complain about?

Should the Oilers provide each promotion and send surveys to every single Edmontonion because they watch on TV, bought a jersey and contributed tax dollars to an arena?



You realize that it would be just as easy to have an open forum?


Season ticket holders spend a lot of money on the team. I think the team should have events for those willing to shell out.

Let's call a spade a spade. There ARE two tiers of fans. In fact, there's probably multiple tiers of fans. The more money you spend on the team, the more important you are as a customer, just like with any other business.

The only problem is the way Kevin Lowe stated that in the now-infamous press conference. He made it sound like he was saying he didn't care what people who didn't buy season tickets thought. Those are customers of the team as well, and the team should care about most of its customers. But let's not think that there's anything wrong with a business focusing on the group of customers that bring them the most money. That's just smart business.




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Exactly. You need to treat all your fans good and try grow the fan base. From a pure money/business standpoint, you never know, a young fan may not have the money to spend on tickets, but later on he might be able to afford to be a season ticket holder.

What he said was perfectly reasonable in a board room. But at a public press conference to media was the dumbest thing he could do.




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 Re: Oilers Teleforum tonight [message #599464 is a reply to message #599439 ]
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[quote title=Adam wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 10:06]
Magnum wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 09:47

danjo wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 09:22

Rocksteady wrote on Thu, 23 May 2013 13:51

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 23 May 2013 09:32

This is for the real fans then, not that other class of fan that mooches and just watches TV and buys 90% of the merchandise.

***EDIT*** and buys them a $600 million arena to play in



You realize if there weren't 13,000 season ticket holders willing to commit to buying tickets each year, you wouldn't have a team to watch and complain about?

Should the Oilers provide each promotion and send surveys to every single Edmontonion because they watch on TV, bought a jersey and contributed tax dollars to an arena?



You realize that it would be just as easy to have an open forum?


Season ticket holders spend a lot of money on the team. I think the team should have events for those willing to shell out.

Let's call a spade a spade. There ARE two tiers of fans. In fact, there's probably multiple tiers of fans. The more money you spend on the team, the more important you are as a customer, just like with any other business.

The only problem is the way Kevin Lowe stated that in the now-infamous press conference. He made it sound like he was saying he didn't care what people who didn't buy season tickets thought. Those are customers of the team as well, and the team should care about most of its customers. But let's not think that there's anything wrong with a business focusing on the group of customers that bring them the most money. That's just smart business.




Not all season ticket holders spend all that much. For example cheap seats are less than >$2K per year. That's less than $200 a month, pretty much what I pay in cable to watch the team. When I go to a game I normally buy decent seats, and I go once to five times year, so I'm probably pretty close to a cheap seat holder right there. The idea that you cater to some fans and not others for anything outside of service for payment hurts my socialist sensibilities.

Doesn't really matter, my point wasn't that season ticket holders shouldn't get anything special, just that the false need for exclusivity was annoying. For example, they could have made it open to everyone, but allowed season ticket holders to ask the first ten questions, or something to that effect. The idea of making something private when there is no increased cost to make it public is messed up, and could be included in the definition of lame.



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 Re: Oilers Teleforum tonight [message #599503 is a reply to message #599464 ]
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Magnum wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 18:53

Not all season ticket holders spend all that much. For example cheap seats are less than >$2K per year. That's less than $200 a month, pretty much what I pay in cable to watch the team. When I go to a game I normally buy decent seats, and I go once to five times year, so I'm probably pretty close to a cheap seat holder right there. The idea that you cater to some fans and not others for anything outside of service for payment hurts my socialist sensibilities.

Doesn't really matter, my point wasn't that season ticket holders shouldn't get anything special, just that the false need for exclusivity was annoying. For example, they could have made it open to everyone, but allowed season ticket holders to ask the first ten questions, or something to that effect. The idea of making something private when there is no increased cost to make it public is messed up, and could be included in the definition of lame.


I disagree sir. If this call was made public, can you imagine the gong show that would have ensued? Damn the cost, opening this up to the general public would have been unmanageable and impossible to keep on the level. Opening up the lines to 5000 or so people is hard enough can you imagine 50000? It would have bee a gong show. Maybe they could hold a draw for 50 or 100 fans of the team that were not season ticket holders to join the call to reach out to the second tier.

Also, what K-Lowe said about second tier fans is the same feeling with every team in the league. KLowe was just silly enough to actually say it publicly.






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Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 27 May 2013 09:36

Magnum wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 18:53

Not all season ticket holders spend all that much. For example cheap seats are less than >$2K per year. That's less than $200 a month, pretty much what I pay in cable to watch the team. When I go to a game I normally buy decent seats, and I go once to five times year, so I'm probably pretty close to a cheap seat holder right there. The idea that you cater to some fans and not others for anything outside of service for payment hurts my socialist sensibilities.

Doesn't really matter, my point wasn't that season ticket holders shouldn't get anything special, just that the false need for exclusivity was annoying. For example, they could have made it open to everyone, but allowed season ticket holders to ask the first ten questions, or something to that effect. The idea of making something private when there is no increased cost to make it public is messed up, and could be included in the definition of lame.


I disagree sir. If this call was made public, can you imagine the gong show that would have ensued? Damn the cost, opening this up to the general public would have been unmanageable and impossible to keep on the level. Opening up the lines to 5000 or so people is hard enough can you imagine 50000? It would have bee a gong show. Maybe they could hold a draw for 50 or 100 fans of the team that were not season ticket holders to join the call to reach out to the second tier.

Also, what K-Lowe said about second tier fans is the same feeling with every team in the league. KLowe was just silly enough to actually say it publicly.




And really, it's not like everyone on the call got to ask a question. All the stakeholders, from gold seat season ticket holders to casual fans now have access to the audio from the call, but it was a nice thank you to the people putting forward the big bucks.

And even a nose bleed season ticket for a single seat in the top row in the house is making a $1200+ contribution to the team. It's a significant investment of time and money. It's only smart business to give a little gratitude to those people now and then. As long as the team does it without specifically stating that they care about them more than other fans, no one should have their feelings hurt.



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 Re: Oilers Teleforum tonight [message #599509 is a reply to message #599505 ]
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Adam wrote on Mon, 27 May 2013 09:42

Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 27 May 2013 09:36

Magnum wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 18:53

Not all season ticket holders spend all that much. For example cheap seats are less than >$2K per year. That's less than $200 a month, pretty much what I pay in cable to watch the team. When I go to a game I normally buy decent seats, and I go once to five times year, so I'm probably pretty close to a cheap seat holder right there. The idea that you cater to some fans and not others for anything outside of service for payment hurts my socialist sensibilities.

Doesn't really matter, my point wasn't that season ticket holders shouldn't get anything special, just that the false need for exclusivity was annoying. For example, they could have made it open to everyone, but allowed season ticket holders to ask the first ten questions, or something to that effect. The idea of making something private when there is no increased cost to make it public is messed up, and could be included in the definition of lame.


I disagree sir. If this call was made public, can you imagine the gong show that would have ensued? Damn the cost, opening this up to the general public would have been unmanageable and impossible to keep on the level. Opening up the lines to 5000 or so people is hard enough can you imagine 50000? It would have bee a gong show. Maybe they could hold a draw for 50 or 100 fans of the team that were not season ticket holders to join the call to reach out to the second tier.

Also, what K-Lowe said about second tier fans is the same feeling with every team in the league. KLowe was just silly enough to actually say it publicly.




And really, it's not like everyone on the call got to ask a question. All the stakeholders, from gold seat season ticket holders to casual fans now have access to the audio from the call, but it was a nice thank you to the people putting forward the big bucks.

And even a nose bleed season ticket for a single seat in the top row in the house is making a $1200+ contribution to the team. It's a significant investment of time and money. It's only smart business to give a little gratitude to those people now and then. As long as the team does it without specifically stating that they care about them more than other fans, no one should have their feelings hurt.


If I was a season ticket holder, I'd want more of a thank-you than a teleconference. If this was the annual physical meeting I'd have no complaints, because there are actual physical restraints to this and not false exclusivity.



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Magnum wrote on Mon, 27 May 2013 10:14

If I was a season ticket holder, I'd want more of a thank-you than a teleconference. If this was the annual physical meeting I'd have no complaints, because there are actual physical restraints to this and not false exclusivity.


This was actually the only year the oilers org didn't do a meet and greet. The oilers org also stops by when our consortium meets to divvy up our season tickets to the 140 or so people along with prizes and guests. It's quite nice.

Lots of reach out with season seat holders is done. We also get oil bucks which is like a 5 to 10% reduction of concession prices.

Lots of things are done Mags, just in varying level of quantity and quality. I thought the teleconference was a better idea crowding in Rexall wasn't convenient or comfortable and I was one of the many who asked for a teleconference rather than a physical meet and greet. They obliged, listened, and did it.



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Magnum wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 18:53



Not all season ticket holders spend all that much. For example cheap seats are less than >$2K per year. That's less than $200 a month, pretty much what I pay in cable to watch the team. When I go to a game I normally buy decent seats, and I go once to five times year, so I'm probably pretty close to a cheap seat holder right there. The idea that you cater to some fans and not others for anything outside of service for payment hurts my socialist sensibilities.

Doesn't really matter, my point wasn't that season ticket holders shouldn't get anything special, just that the false need for exclusivity was annoying. For example, they could have made it open to everyone, but allowed season ticket holders to ask the first ten questions, or something to that effect. The idea of making something private when there is no increased cost to make it public is messed up, and could be included in the definition of lame.


Wow. You're a dedicated fan and knowledgeable fan Mags, but you're way off base on this one.

Cheap seats may be less than 2k, but the AVERAGE is MUCH more than that. Keep in mind, most season seat holders own 2 tickets at least, and the average season ticket holder has made a commitment of probably $4-6k, win or lose.

You pay $200 for your cable package, not only for televised Oiler games, so that point is laughable. Also, you're paying Shaw/Telus, who's paying Sportsnet, who's paying the team for the broadcast rights - watching TV doesn't make you a direct customer of the Oilers. If you quit watching, there is ZERO financial impact to the team. Tens of thousands of people would have to be offended by not being able to access the teleconference AND totally stop watching the team because of it for a season or more for this to be a factor.

As for walk-up tickets, if they're truly good they're probably scalped, which means nothing to the team. Also, if the team sucks, you're going to be closer to the one game a year than 5.

So, You're not even close to a cheap season seat holder in the team's eyes, because you've made no commitment. So basically what it comes down to is that your "socialist sensibilities" mean diddly when it comes to business, no matter how good and dedicated a fan you are.

The Oilers are involved in PLENTY of philanthropic activities that benefit the community greatly - I'd say that is an obligation and they exceed it year in and year out. You're mistaking catering to your CUSTOMERS with Joe Public's right to tell a business how to run and to access a benefit offered to its paying customers. Rabid message board fans aren't representative of the public at large, and the public at large likely didn't feel entitled to accessing the conference call live. You, the rabid, knowledgeable message board fan who doesn't have season seats, are the unfortunate casualties of a business drawing a line in the sand.

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Skoobz wrote on Mon, 27 May 2013 21:19

Magnum wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 18:53



Not all season ticket holders spend all that much. For example cheap seats are less than >$2K per year. That's less than $200 a month, pretty much what I pay in cable to watch the team. When I go to a game I normally buy decent seats, and I go once to five times year, so I'm probably pretty close to a cheap seat holder right there. The idea that you cater to some fans and not others for anything outside of service for payment hurts my socialist sensibilities.

Doesn't really matter, my point wasn't that season ticket holders shouldn't get anything special, just that the false need for exclusivity was annoying. For example, they could have made it open to everyone, but allowed season ticket holders to ask the first ten questions, or something to that effect. The idea of making something private when there is no increased cost to make it public is messed up, and could be included in the definition of lame.


Wow. You're a dedicated fan and knowledgeable fan Mags, but you're way off base on this one.

Cheap seats may be less than 2k, but the AVERAGE is MUCH more than that. Keep in mind, most season seat holders own 2 tickets at least, and the average season ticket holder has made a commitment of probably $4-6k, win or lose.

You pay $200 for your cable package, not only for televised Oiler games, so that point is laughable. Also, you're paying Shaw/Telus, who's paying Sportsnet, who's paying the team for the broadcast rights - watching TV doesn't make you a direct customer of the Oilers. If you quit watching, there is ZERO financial impact to the team. Tens of thousands of people would have to be offended by not being able to access the teleconference AND totally stop watching the team because of it for a season or more for this to be a factor.

As for walk-up tickets, if they're truly good they're probably scalped, which means nothing to the team. Also, if the team sucks, you're going to be closer to the one game a year than 5.

So, You're not even close to a cheap season seat holder in the team's eyes, because you've made no commitment. So basically what it comes down to is that your "socialist sensibilities" mean diddly when it comes to business, no matter how good and dedicated a fan you are.

The Oilers are involved in PLENTY of philanthropic activities that benefit the community greatly - I'd say that is an obligation and they exceed it year in and year out. You're mistaking catering to your CUSTOMERS with Joe Public's right to tell a business how to run and to access a benefit offered to its paying customers. Rabid message board fans aren't representative of the public at large, and the public at large likely didn't feel entitled to accessing the conference call live. You, the rabid, knowledgeable message board fan who doesn't have season seats, are the unfortunate casualties of a business drawing a line in the sand.

If you buy a pop at McDonald's, you're entitled to free refills. They don't have to allow it, but they do as a customer service. Just because you don't turn off McDonald's commercials when they are on the tv, and you eat at McDonald's 1-5 times a year, it doesn't entitle you to walk in and fill up a glass from your house with the free refills.


We get along on most other topics, except this one. I'm going to try to word this as fairly as I can.

I think you're missing the greater fandom that drives the overall value of the game. There would be no team without these fans. Season ticket holders probably wouldn't give up the cash they do if there wasn't as much of a general interest in the game.

There is no way that the Oilers sell half as many tickets without the non-season ticket holding fans. I think that this applies to the cable package (I only watch hockey on cable), one off-ticket, and most other arguments in favor of fan equality.

In the end, I probably pay as much or more than a low level season ticket holder
(price for two cheap seat holders is $2,600 per year), which although not as direct, does support the team in a vital way, and suggests a person burden at least as great and maybe greater than some season ticket holders.

The argument that if I stopped watching the Oilers' no one would notice, probably applies to any single season ticket holder, as far as significant financial impact goes.

An Executive season ticket holder wouldn't say that they're secondary to box holders. Would Colonade be inferior to Silver, and Silver inferior to Gold? Would Gallery season tickets holders hold themselves lower than Executive? I don't think they would, but the difference between what they and I spend is far less (if any) than what they and Gold seat holders spend.

I'd suggest that tiers of fans be avoided at all cost, except for direct agreements based on cash paid. Which is more business like than the back patting that Kevin Lowe espouses, and clearly uses to excuse his performance.

My main concern is the false exclusivity of the phone thing, the reality is that I wouldn't have even wanted to be in on it. I've always hated people making pretense of something being more than it is for the sake of show, and this was one instance. There are ways to treat people equally while recognizing their individual inputs. This to me wasn't one of them because of the capacity for inclusion.

I hope my socialist sensibilities stand for something, otherwise there is no way we'd be getting a new rink, and as a result, we'd probably lose the Oilers.

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Gotta agree to disagree, I guess. I didn't care to listen to the thing live either, even though I could have. However, I see additional rewards to season ticket holders as good business, even if the carrots dangled ARE contrived. We've had no less than half a season (times two seats) for about 30 years so I'm biased and feel entitled (clearly without justification, to some) to something extra for my money, especially in this era of awful on-ice performance!

And yes, when I had silver club seats, I was ok with gold club fans being a different tier. Now, in the executive terrace, such tiers are even more apparent as we no longer have access to the River Cree Club. At $200/game as compared to $400/game, I totally accept that the people paying more than I am are entitled to more than just a closer view than I have. Gold and silver club holders have had better access to concert tickets for 20 years - same sort of thing. There's no convincing me that there was anything inherently wrong with an "exclusive" teleconference.



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Skoobz wrote on Tue, 28 May 2013 20:32

Gotta agree to disagree, I guess. I didn't care to listen to the thing live either, even though I could have. However, I see additional rewards to season ticket holders as good business, even if the carrots dangled ARE contrived. We've had no less than half a season (times two seats) for about 30 years so I'm biased and feel entitled (clearly without justification, to some) to something extra for my money, especially in this era of awful on-ice performance!

And yes, when I had silver club seats, I was ok with gold club fans being a different tier. Now, in the executive terrace, such tiers are even more apparent as we no longer have access to the River Cree Club. At $200/game as compared to $400/game, I totally accept that the people paying more than I am are entitled to more than just a closer view than I have. Gold and silver club holders have had better access to concert tickets for 20 years - same sort of thing. There's no convincing me that there was anything inherently wrong with an "exclusive" teleconference.


Wrong, no, you're right there. Lame and schmarmy, I think you'd agree with though.



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Magnum wrote on Tue, 28 May 2013 16:48


In the end, I probably pay as much or more than a low level season ticket holder
(price for two cheap seat holders is $2,600 per year), which although not as direct, does support the team in a vital way, and suggests a person burden at least as great and maybe greater than some season ticket holders.




Wow.

You are getting ripped off if you are paying $200 a month for cable to ONLY watch hockey. A full HD cable package at Telus or Shaw costs less than $100/month. I doubt satellite costs that much these days if you are living outside Edmonton. I am pretty certain that the majority of season ticket holders are paying for cable as well so they can watch the away games, so you aren't spending any more money than they are. The people going to the games are also paying for concessions and parking which is going directly to the Oilers and Northlands.

Season ticket holders are also paying for games at the end of March against teams that no one wants to see, as well as 4 preseason games a year. Most season ticket holders I know have a hard time getting rid of some of these games even at face value. The casual fan going to 1-5 games a year are more likely trying to go to games against Calgary, Vancouver, Chicago, etc - the games that everyone wants. So while casual fans pick and choose the games they go to, season ticket holders have paid in full for all 45 games whether the Oilers are playing well or tanking.

We get it - you want something for free and are bitter that the Oilers don't treat you the same as a season ticket holder. Since you are paying so much money on cable and going to 5 games a year, why don't you just buy season tickets? Then you will get to go on all the teleconfrences you want, receive some Oilersbucks, and get a poster every year as well. And then hopefully your personal burden will be much less too.



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danjo wrote on Wed, 29 May 2013 08:06

Magnum wrote on Tue, 28 May 2013 16:48


In the end, I probably pay as much or more than a low level season ticket holder
(price for two cheap seat holders is $2,600 per year), which although not as direct, does support the team in a vital way, and suggests a person burden at least as great and maybe greater than some season ticket holders.




Wow.

You are getting ripped off if you are paying $200 a month for cable to ONLY watch hockey. A full HD cable package at Telus or Shaw costs less than $100/month. I doubt satellite costs that much these days if you are living outside Edmonton. I am pretty certain that the majority of season ticket holders are paying for cable as well so they can watch the away games, so you aren't spending any more money than they are. The people going to the games are also paying for concessions and parking which is going directly to the Oilers and Northlands.

Season ticket holders are also paying for games at the end of March against teams that no one wants to see, as well as 4 preseason games a year. Most season ticket holders I know have a hard time getting rid of some of these games even at face value. The casual fan going to 1-5 games a year are more likely trying to go to games against Calgary, Vancouver, Chicago, etc - the games that everyone wants. So while casual fans pick and choose the games they go to, season ticket holders have paid in full for all 45 games whether the Oilers are playing well or tanking.

We get it - you want something for free and are bitter that the Oilers don't treat you the same as a season ticket holder. Since you are paying so much money on cable and going to 5 games a year, why don't you just buy season tickets? Then you will get to go on all the teleconfrences you want, receive some Oilersbucks, and get a poster every year as well. And then hopefully your personal burden will be much less too.


I'm also guessing that most season ticket holders also pay for cable TV or sattelite.

And $200/mo. does sound like you need to call Telus and get in touch with the customer retention and loyalty people. That's way, way too much.



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danjo wrote on Wed, 29 May 2013 08:06

Magnum wrote on Tue, 28 May 2013 16:48


In the end, I probably pay as much or more than a low level season ticket holder
(price for two cheap seat holders is $2,600 per year), which although not as direct, does support the team in a vital way, and suggests a person burden at least as great and maybe greater than some season ticket holders.




Wow.

You are getting ripped off if you are paying $200 a month for cable to ONLY watch hockey. A full HD cable package at Telus or Shaw costs less than $100/month. I doubt satellite costs that much these days if you are living outside Edmonton. I am pretty certain that the majority of season ticket holders are paying for cable as well so they can watch the away games, so you aren't spending any more money than they are. The people going to the games are also paying for concessions and parking which is going directly to the Oilers and Northlands.

Season ticket holders are also paying for games at the end of March against teams that no one wants to see, as well as 4 preseason games a year. Most season ticket holders I know have a hard time getting rid of some of these games even at face value. The casual fan going to 1-5 games a year are more likely trying to go to games against Calgary, Vancouver, Chicago, etc - the games that everyone wants. So while casual fans pick and choose the games they go to, season ticket holders have paid in full for all 45 games whether the Oilers are playing well or tanking.

We get it - you want something for free and are bitter that the Oilers don't treat you the same as a season ticket holder. Since you are paying so much money on cable and going to 5 games a year, why don't you just buy season tickets? Then you will get to go on all the teleconfrences you want, receive some Oilersbucks, and get a poster every year as well. And then hopefully your personal burden will be much less too.


Some reasons are that I have three kids, run my rental properties, and have a more than full time job/business. Going to Rexall that many times a week would probably be too much for me, and definitely too much for Mrs. Magnum.

The reality is that I'm considering a pair of season tickets, but find some of this exclusivity BS unattractive and childish. I don't think I'm bitter, I do think it's not cool.



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My head is just running crazy with all the excuses and BS Tambo would have spewed in that call.

From the looks of what MacT is saying, he might actually get. He seems to be seeing what we have all seen, and have grown tired of. This might have been the move this club actually did need.



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Sorry for the poorly formatted post, but here is a copy of most of the items discussed in the teleconference. Sources vary... My apologies. They should be listed within the text here and there.

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Oilers GM Craig MacTavish is doing a conference call with season ticket holders tonight. Oilers will make audio public later in evening. The call starts at 7pm and my friend @colinpriestner has dutifully promised to tweet everything newsworthy, so give him a follow.
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For those interested I will live-tweet anything quotable from the MacTavish conference call at 7:00pm tonight.

We're underway! Mactavish calls season ticket holders "shareholders" and says he will give a few updates on priorities. #mactpresser

MacT says size up front is a big priority as well as depth on 3rd and 4th lines. Says many nights they couldn't could on much contribution.

Mactavish wants size but not at expense of puck moving. Says they're looking for Detroit or Chicago model not "chip and chase style".

Mac says he has "high hopes" for Klefbom next season. Watched him in Sweden and says he was extremely impressed in all facets. He's big fan

Says UFA market is to be approached "cautiously". Says players are often in decline at UFA stage. Says Gagner is highest priority re-sign.

MacT says Sam Gagner could be youngest player in history to be UFA but his goal is for that not to happen. Wants to sign him long term.

Likes his 1-2 centreman but says he wants to land a big centre this summer if he can. Says he can't comment on Iginla but wants that type.

He says from July 1 to July 5 there is a recruitment window for pending UFA's. Also says his priority is A centre with 7 overall pick.

Lists McKinnon, Barkov and Monahan as the 3 centres he wants. He's had many talks about moving up OR down with fellow GMs.

"Very doubtful" he would move any of his "six core guys". Which includes Hall, Yak, Eberle, RNH. Didn't name the two others.

Craig would not say that Schultz and Gagner are players 5 and 6 when asked by Michaels. Perhaps Klefbom over Gagner? Interesting,

Hard work, good humour and cooperation are the 3 things he insists on having in the culture of the team.

81% of the ticket holders polled said the first priority should be acquiring a defensemen and not a forward.

Mac is not interested in adding a tough guy who can't play at a fairly high level. Says he's very aware they need to get tougher.

Caller says what is plan for goaltending. Very active in looking for "a couple goalies". He says verdict is out on Devan Dubnyk.

Calls Dubnyk's play was "adequate" but didn't disagree with caller who said he has been disappointing as a number 1. Says Denis isn't likely

Asked where he realistically predicts the Oilers will finish in 13-14 season, Mac says "competing very aggressively to make playoffs".

He says to "guarantee" a play off spot he admits some things need to fall into place. Needs internal growth and big external off-season.

Says shots on goal total was unacceptable, and team didn't have enough "push" and blames that on depth. And needs D to make better plays

Horcoff's future is with club: Mac "that will be determined over the summer". Being here too long "has had negative effect on his spirit".

I'll expand on Horcoff. MacTavish said him "being here too long may have had negative effect on his spirit" and "will determine over summer"

That's all folks. Appreciate the feedback and follows, new friends!

Found a few more things that Priestner did not mention.

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Bold moves is about moving draft picks for players and not dumping kids

Krueger. Satisfied ? not a coaching problem. Job with Nail was exceptional. Positive message important in challenging times.

4th coach in last 5 yrs. need better tools to do a better job. learning experience for Ralph. bright guy. able to adapt.

Feels Ralph is the guy to go forward with.

Back to Horc. Is that the long time losing here might wear on Horc and maybe desire to move on alluded.

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Hemmer2Eberle wrote on Thu, 23 May 2013 20:28

My head is just running crazy with all the excuses and BS Tambo would have spewed in that call.

From the looks of what MacT is saying, he might actually get. He seems to be seeing what we have all seen, and have grown tired of. This might have been the move this club actually did need.


MacT has never been shy about forming opinions. The danger is him losing patience with a player and we trade away our next Glenncross, Brodziak, Stoll, Greene, etc. My only fear is pulling the trigger on Gags. Anyone else outside the kids is fair game.

Will be interest to see him as GM when he can start making moves and real decisions. So far, he's said all the right things.



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nullterm wrote on Thu, 23 May 2013 21:37

Hemmer2Eberle wrote on Thu, 23 May 2013 20:28

My head is just running crazy with all the excuses and BS Tambo would have spewed in that call.

From the looks of what MacT is saying, he might actually get. He seems to be seeing what we have all seen, and have grown tired of. This might have been the move this club actually did need.


MacT has never been shy about forming opinions. The danger is him losing patience with a player and we trade away our next Glenncross, Brodziak, Stoll, Greene, etc. My only fear is pulling the trigger on Gags. Anyone else outside the kids is fair game.

Will be interest to see him as GM when he can start making moves and real decisions. So far, he's said all the right things.

Yeah, I'm staying cautiously optimistic for now.



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nullterm wrote on Thu, 23 May 2013 21:37

Hemmer2Eberle wrote on Thu, 23 May 2013 20:28

My head is just running crazy with all the excuses and BS Tambo would have spewed in that call.

From the looks of what MacT is saying, he might actually get. He seems to be seeing what we have all seen, and have grown tired of. This might have been the move this club actually did need.


MacT has never been shy about forming opinions. The danger is him losing patience with a player and we trade away our next Glenncross, Brodziak, Stoll, Greene, etc. My only fear is pulling the trigger on Gags. Anyone else outside the kids is fair game.

Will be interest to see him as GM when he can start making moves and real decisions. So far, he's said all the right things.


Looking back I find it kinda funny a lot of the the guys we let go are the type of guys we could desperately use right now. If we had identified the right guys to keep we'd have a pretty decent roster:

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Glencross-Gagner-Yakupov
Pajaarvi-Stoll-Hemsky
Cogliano-Brodziak-Jones

Souray-J. Schultz
Smid-Petry
N. Schultz-Greene

That being said, if we had kept most of those guys we likely wouldn't have been in a position to acquire the high-end talent we have today so I guess it's kind of a wash. Interesting none the less



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I agree with the comment directly above.
Our pro scouts have been awful at identifying our own talent and others.
Stoll, Greene, Souray, Vish, Macdonald, Cogs, GlenX, Brodz would all look great here right now.

But, our pro scouts suck. Clean them out.
Our junior scouts are quite good, but I believe they passed on Saad in favour of piticker, so average or decent.



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Team Dean wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 10:42

I agree with the comment directly above.
Our pro scouts have been awful at identifying our own talent and others.
Stoll, Greene, Souray, Vish, Macdonald, Cogs, GlenX, Brodz would all look great here right now.

But, our pro scouts suck. Clean them out.
Our junior scouts are quite good, but I believe they passed on Saad in favour of piticker, so average or decent.


Yeah, our pro scouts are horrid. Just looking at the history of player movement, it's pretty sad.

Throw in the Nilsson, POS, Kotalic, etc. Ugh.



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Team Dean wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 11:42


Our junior scouts are quite good, but I believe they passed on Saad in favour of piticker, so average or decent.


It was David Musil they picked. So not only was Saad passed over, but Boone Jenner too. Perhaps that was because we already Pitlick in the system. But boy, would Jenner look great on that fourth line next season, and Saad looks to be a nice find at 43.

Just to look back and wish a little more, Pitlick was picked over Alex Petrovic, Justin Faulk, and Devante Smith-Pelly.

How nice would it be to have a do-over and pick Faulk in 2010 and Jenner in 2011 instead of Pitlick and Musil? I guess those picks are easier looking backwards though.



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http://www.mynhldraft.com/2011/round2

Thanks for the update. I was cheering for Saad or Rattie that year, why?
Because they were the consensus high picks in the 2nd round.

That Musil pick screams Lowe.

Stu has been good though, Marincin and Gernat were absolutely stolen.
And Klefbom looks like a total blindside to all other teams.

I won't throw a stone at Stu, he's done way more good than bad. The man should be running this whole operation, imo.

I think MacT and KLowe know their grinders though at the pro level, and I bet we see some improvement in that area.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59

Team Dean wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 11:42


Our junior scouts are quite good, but I believe they passed on Saad in favour of piticker, so average or decent.


It was David Musil they picked. So not only was Saad passed over, but Boone Jenner too. Perhaps that was because we already Pitlick in the system. But boy, would Jenner look great on that fourth line next season, and Saad looks to be a nice find at 43.

Just to look back and wish a little more, Pitlick was picked over Alex Petrovic, Justin Faulk, and Devante Smith-Pelly.

How nice would it be to have a do-over and pick Faulk in 2010 and Jenner in 2011 instead of Pitlick and Musil? I guess those picks are easier looking backwards though.



That's second round picks though. You're just guessing by that point, given the physical tools. Even at that point in the draft, many of them are still only getting third line minutes and maybe second unit powerplay behind their team's 19 and 20 year olds. You're hoping they make a jump forward, but there's no slam dunks any more. Saad at #43 was a shot in the dark. The Hawks didn't know he'd be on the NHL team at age 20 and a Calder Trophy candidate. It's as much luck as anything there.




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Adam wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 18:27

mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59

Team Dean wrote on Fri, 24 May 2013 11:42


Our junior scouts are quite good, but I believe they passed on Saad in favour of piticker, so average or decent.


It was David Musil they picked. So not only was Saad passed over, but Boone Jenner too. Perhaps that was because we already Pitlick in the system. But boy, would Jenner look great on that fourth line next season, and Saad looks to be a nice find at 43.

Just to look back and wish a little more, Pitlick was picked over Alex Petrovic, Justin Faulk, and Devante Smith-Pelly.

How nice would it be to have a do-over and pick Faulk in 2010 and Jenner in 2011 instead of Pitlick and Musil? I guess those picks are easier looking backwards though.



That's second round picks though. You're just guessing by that point, given the physical tools. Even at that point in the draft, many of them are still only getting third line minutes and maybe second unit powerplay behind their team's 19 and 20 year olds. You're hoping they make a jump forward, but there's no slam dunks any more. Saad at #43 was a shot in the dark. The Hawks didn't know he'd be on the NHL team at age 20 and a Calder Trophy candidate. It's as much luck as anything there.




Oh, I know. It's just funny to look back and see how those draft picks could have filled some of the needs we have now. Some teams are better at evaluating talent in the draft than others, but it isn't an exact science. It's a lot of predictions and projections.
I'm not really faulting the Oilers so much as musing about what could have been...



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