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 Can Oilers solve defence problems by July 1 ? [message #572876]
Fri, 25 May 2012 14:04 Go to next message
jeff340  is currently offline jeff340
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Could the Oilers address all their needs on the blue line in the next 6 weeks?

Swap 1st round picks with Toronto with a deal involving Gardiner coming to Edmonton. Draft Reinhart with Toronto #5 pick. Hope the Gardiner deal is enough to entice J Schultz to sign on July 1.

You would add Gardiner, J Schultz, and G Reinhart. I think with that group, within a couple years you'd have 2 top four D-men and a 5-6 D-man.



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Thing we're missing is a top 2, ideally a #1 d-man. Before Whitney got all screwed up with injuries, we had a glimpse of what that was like for the first time since Pronger.


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A big no to #1 for TOR 1st and Gardiner.


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Mike wrote on Fri, 25 May 2012 16:14

A big no to #1 for TOR 1st and Gardiner.


Even if it's Galchenyuk and Gardiner for Murray? icon_wink



Then I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.

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hmc wrote on Fri, 25 May 2012 17:20

Mike wrote on Fri, 25 May 2012 16:14

A big no to #1 for TOR 1st and Gardiner.


Even if it's Galchenyuk and Gardiner for Murray? icon_wink


LOL. Don't even joke about that.

IF Galchenyuk would be guaranteed, and IF getting Gardiner would also mean getting J Schultz, then that is a deal I might make.

But as there are no guarantees, just pick Yakupov and built the blue line up other ways.



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 Re: Can Oilers solve defence problems by July 1 ? [message #580858 is a reply to message #572876 ]
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I didn't really want to start an entirely new thread but I saw this tidbit:

http://nhlnumbers.com/2012/8/31/what-happens-after-you-go-fr om-the-outhouse-to-the-penthouse-2011-12-new-jersey-devils-s eason-preview

"Lamoriello made the odd decision of retaining Bryce Salvador to a ghastly 3 year contract, which means the Devils now have 7 defensemen on one-way deals as well as impressive youngster Adam Larsson. It therefore seems inevitable that New Jersey will make a trade, with the most likely candidates being Andy Greene, Henrik Tallinder, or Anton Volchenkov.

There's also the financial issues - the New York Post reported that as a result the Devils had to get approval from the league to make a trade for Marek Zidlicky. Rumors abound around owner Jeff Vanderbeek's ability to remain solvent in the face of the massive debt remaining on the Prudential Center. These fiscal woes could affect the Devils' ability to add salary if obvious needs emerge later on in the season.
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I know Volchenkov is 30 and has some hard miles on him but would a trade for him involving Peckham, Eager and a lower draft pick have any traction?


The Devils' ownership is going thru some difficulties on the financing so they might be more willing to dump Volchenkov's $4.25 million cap hit for less returning salaries.



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 Re: Can Oilers solve defence problems by July 1 ? [message #580859 is a reply to message #580858 ]
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I like Volchenkov a lot, so my first thought was Yes!

However, when I think about it more, wouldn't it be nicer if we could teach Peckham to play like Volchenkov instead? That way we retain the younger player and end up with the same. I know its not just as simple as sitting Pecks down for a talk, but I keep on thinking on Greene and how it would have been nice to hold onto him.



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It's fair to say that the front end of the rebuild is over or close to. Now comes the real waiting, rebuilding the slower progressing defence.


Learning is the most important part of learning basic defence.

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Volchenkov about four years ago would have been perfect, but he seems to have lost a step and with his contact and age, I don't see things getting much better.

The guys I'd look at are Tallinder and Fayne who were both very good in the playoffs for the Devils. Fayne is probably a guy they don't want to move and would carry a higher price tag, but he seems like the real deal. Tallinder probably would be much cheaper and really was a calming force for New Jersey. Doesn't project long-term like some if the others, but if the price is right I'd totally consider him.

I don't think any moves happen before the new CBA, but New Jersey might be a good trading partner. But I still think Columbus would be the best. What would a package of Dubinsky and Tyutin cost? Maybe Gagner and a first? Those two guys would fill our holes and pretty much set us up for years...



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mightyreasoner wrote on Sat, 01 September 2012 12:30

Volchenkov about four years ago would have been perfect, but he seems to have lost a step and with his contact and age, I don't see things getting much better.

The guys I'd look at are Tallinder and Fayne who were both very good in the playoffs for the Devils. Fayne is probably a guy they don't want to move and would carry a higher price tag, but he seems like the real deal. Tallinder probably would be much cheaper and really was a calming force for New Jersey. Doesn't project long-term like some if the others, but if the price is right I'd totally consider him.


Not sure if you're aware - but Tallinder is 33, 34 in January.



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Mike wrote on Sat, 01 September 2012 13:25

mightyreasoner wrote on Sat, 01 September 2012 12:30

Volchenkov about four years ago would have been perfect, but he seems to have lost a step and with his contact and age, I don't see things getting much better.

The guys I'd look at are Tallinder and Fayne who were both very good in the playoffs for the Devils. Fayne is probably a guy they don't want to move and would carry a higher price tag, but he seems like the real deal. Tallinder probably would be much cheaper and really was a calming force for New Jersey. Doesn't project long-term like some if the others, but if the price is right I'd totally consider him.


Not sure if you're aware - but Tallinder is 33, 34 in January.


Yeah, not a long-term solution, but he doesn't carry Volchenkov's ticket either. And he looked very good for the Devils in the Cup Final.



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Mike wrote on Sat, 01 September 2012 13:25

mightyreasoner wrote on Sat, 01 September 2012 12:30

Volchenkov about four years ago would have been perfect, but he seems to have lost a step and with his contact and age, I don't see things getting much better.

The guys I'd look at are Tallinder and Fayne who were both very good in the playoffs for the Devils. Fayne is probably a guy they don't want to move and would carry a higher price tag, but he seems like the real deal. Tallinder probably would be much cheaper and really was a calming force for New Jersey. Doesn't project long-term like some if the others, but if the price is right I'd totally consider him.


Not sure if you're aware - but Tallinder is 33, 34 in January.



I've advocated in the past to keep Peckham because I was afraid of the same ""Matt Greene" type mistake as Messier11 mentioned. I've re-evaluated that stance based on the fact that our cupboard of prospect defencemen is absolutely overflowing.

The exchange of Peckham for Volchenkov upgrades the 2nd or 3rd pairings. Behind Peckham, we have Fedun, Potter, Teubert, and Marincin who could all fit into that #7 spare defence spot. Of those candidates, I'd keep Potter up and send the rest down for more AHL seasoning unless one of those others wins the job instead.

Volchenkov might wear down quickly but at least he'd be the bridge from this season until 3 or 4 years time in the future when all the brightest defence prospects have graduated to the Oilers. Sutton could do this babysitting job but he is older and slower and might only last a year or two more in his playing career.



The other thought is to wait for the new CBA and see who gets bought out. A lot of clubs will need to burn a ton of salary off to fit under any new cap level. In that case, this might make the day of the Horcoff-haters, but it'd make sense to buy him out so we have the cap room to pick up a bargain priced 3rd line center and a young-ish veteran bottom pair defencemen.

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