OilFans.com :: Fan Forum: Oilers => Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM and POHO offer

Guest

This day on April 24
None

Happy Birthday To: foxbird, sspOILERS, hazmat, Tarnom, RankinSpankin

OILERS INFO OILFANS
Wednesday, Apr 24, 2024 12:27 PM MT

F.A.Q.

Members

Home

Oilers » Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM and POHO offer

Pages (5): [ « < 1 2 3 4 5 > »]

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737160 is a reply to message #737158 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 14:03

Magnum
Messages: 839
Registered: June 2009
Location: Rogers' Arena > Banff

No Cups

More like $550M.

2015/2016 - This Kool-Aid tastes like McDavid flavoured Drain-O.
2016/2017 - This Kool-Aid is starting to taste like juice.
2017/2018 - I'm drinking this Kool-Aid, in hopes that it's Drain-O.
2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737162 is a reply to message #737069 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 15:23

Iamheretoday
Messages: 57
Registered: August 2007

No Cups

I am hoping that legacy is the word of the day. The Red Wings were a dynasty but never elevated Holland to legacy status.
Sather would be considered a legend, for both his work in Edmonton, and New York. I am hoping that Holland views our key stars as his ticket to legend status. Lots of work to do, but the pay off could be legendary icon_eek

I can only hope at this point.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737169 is a reply to message #737037 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 16:59

Kr55
Messages: 9583
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton

6 Cups

Jm Matheson @NHLbyMatty
Holland told friends around the NHL he was blown away by the Oilers offer (reportedly 5 years, $5 mil per), plus his friends all knew he still had the fire to be a GM. Not ready to put his feet up at 63...

So, this kinda went like a Chia negotiation? We just go all in with an offer the other guy never could have imagined. Then, I guess hope he feels bad and asks for less? Thank goodness there is no management salary cap :)

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737170 is a reply to message #737169 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 17:20

nullterm
Messages: 926
Registered: July 2007
Location: Port Moody, BC

No Cups

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 15:59

Jm Matheson @NHLbyMatty
Holland told friends around the NHL he was blown away by the Oilers offer (reportedly 5 years, $5 mil per), plus his friends all knew he still had the fire to be a GM. Not ready to put his feet up at 63...

So, this kinda went like a Chia negotiation? We just go all in with an offer the other guy never could have imagined. Then, I guess hope he feels bad and asks for less? Thank goodness there is no management salary cap :)

.... yet.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737171 is a reply to message #737169 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 17:25

Goose
Messages: 1098
Registered: October 2006
Location: Vancouver

1 Cup

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 15:59

I actually don't have a problem with the Oilers spending more on their front office. In a cap world, and as one of the highest revenue teams in the league (although less so now with a low Canadian dollar), the Oilers should have an advantage over less wealthy teams. The caveat of course being that the Oilers actually use their money to hire the best possible people and not just old Hockey Canada buddies.

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737172 is a reply to message #737171 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 17:27

Kr55
Messages: 9583
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton

6 Cups

Goose wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 17:25

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 15:59

I wouldn't mind either, if this wasn't just a part of a pattern, like the last group decision big signing they made on re-signing Koskinen. I bet Koskinen knows exactly the feeling Holland just had.

It is still kinda lame too though that we tossed an offer Holland never expected, if this report is true. Shows a level of desperation. Being old friends was not enough I guess, Nicholson felt he had to blow his mind.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737174 is a reply to message #737037 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 18:24

CrudeRemarks
Messages: 1698
Registered: November 2010
Location: Edmonton

1 Cup

Weird that there’s no release. Like you’re the leakiest organization in history you don’t have to worry about spoiling the surprise. At least give us something like this:

The Edmonton Oilers management staff, in collaboration with top opposing general management specialists, have determined a hiring protocol for Ken Holland which will begin immediately

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737175 is a reply to message #737109 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 18:41

overdue
Messages: 493
Registered: October 2014

No Cups

Ragnarok73 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 10:16

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 10:10

DO we get a high profile firing in the next 6 months? Or at least banishment from hockey ops? Or will we go into next season with every notable name still around?

Yeah, unless heads start to roll the second Ken rolls into town, I'm remaining very skeptical of his ability to change anything for the better in this tire fire.

You can bet a guy like Holland will take his time evaluating what is already in place in the org before pulling the trigger on letting people go and replacing them. He knows what he likes and doesn't like and there will be interviews within the organization to determine who stays. If he decides someone like KG is a good fit and has what it takes, I'd have no problem with him staying on as an assistant or some other role with the club. You know the untouchables will still be there as long as Katz owns the team but I don't see him making moves that will outright hurt the team like PC did as a result of listening to their suggestions. Peter was a bit off his rocker, let's face it. There was good work done on the amateur and minor league side of things which shouldn't go unnoticed. I look forward to seeing what he can do with the team.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737176 is a reply to message #737172 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 18:44

Goose
Messages: 1098
Registered: October 2006
Location: Vancouver

1 Cup

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 16:27

Oh ya, this organizanization was woefully unprepared for this entire process. I think you have it right, in that this was an act of desperation. They had pre-populated their short list with 3 names. McCrimmon turned them down, they realized the fanbase would absolutely freak out if they named Gretzky and Hunter, by all accounts, did not fit what they were looking for. So they threw a Hail Mary to Holland. The inability of this organization to appear halfway competent in anything they do would be hilarious if it wasnt so depressing.

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737177 is a reply to message #737083 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 19:05

scotiaoiler
Messages: 15
Registered: April 2006

No Cups

I was disappointed by the hire. I do hope it works out. Like others have said it has a lot to do with the person who did the hiring and the way they did it. I'm sure they talked to Ken but didn't do the thorough process they did with everyone else. I think their first choice was McCrimmon who I believe they never got permission to talk to but I think the job was his if he wanted it. Sort of like Eakins was the flavor of the month and hired him even though they actually had a season where there was finally improvement. Once McCrimmon was gone they just threw money at Holland. I hope he brings in his own staff including an assistant GM to mentor that is not KG. This GM process they bragged so much about and had to ask the other teams how to do(I'm sure they were happy to help bobby out just like they all loved Peter) went out the window in the final few days and reverted back to the same Knee jerk decision that has plagued this team for over a decade. Hope Ken has learned his lessons with the cap and with being to loyal to older players. Fans have a right to be skeptical after all this management group has done and blamed everyone else for but themselves. I'm looking at you Reider

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737179 is a reply to message #737175 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 20:08

Magnum
Messages: 839
Registered: June 2009
Location: Rogers' Arena > Banff

No Cups

overdue wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 18:41

Ragnarok73 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 10:16

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 10:10

DO we get a high profile firing in the next 6 months? Or at least banishment from hockey ops? Or will we go into next season with every notable name still around?

Yeah, unless heads start to roll the second Ken rolls into town, I'm remaining very skeptical of his ability to change anything for the better in this tire fire.

Oh good. An evaluation period. Love those.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737181 is a reply to message #737037 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 20:14

NetBOG
Messages: 2849
Registered: January 2006
Location: Parts Unknown

2 Cups

Just saw an interview with Kypreos on Tim and Sid. He is saying that Katz went to Nicholson and told him to do whatever it takes to hire Holland.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737184 is a reply to message #737181 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 20:46

Adam
Messages: 6813
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB

6 Cups

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 20:14

Just saw an interview with Kypreos on Tim and Sid. He is saying that Katz went to Nicholson and told him to do whatever it takes to hire Holland.

And we start to see the fingers point...always good to have a cover story in case it blows up. It was always someone else’s fault...

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
~~#FireLowe~~ #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737186 is a reply to message #737184 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 20:50

Ragnarok73
Messages: 2343
Registered: February 2011

2 Cups

Someone over in the Oilers HF board found a gif that perfectly describes what Holland is getting himself into by joining the Oil organization:

Good luck trying to clean up this mess, Ken.

"There's no greater springboard to development than failure." - Craig MacTavish, April 13/15.

5-14-6-1

"Sabres think the suck is their ally? They merely adopted the suck. The Oilers were born in it...molded by it."

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737189 is a reply to message #737172 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 22:16

mightyreasoner
Messages: 508
Registered: October 2005
Location: Edmonton

No Cups

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 17:27

Goose wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 17:25

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 15:59

The concern I would have is if it causes them to hang onto people longer than they should because the make so much money. Like Chiarelli should have been gone long before he was; was part of the reason his rope was so long because of how much he made?

Same with Holland; if by Year 3 we realize that he is not the right choice and the team isn't where it should be, do they can him, or does he get the benefit of the doubt and get Year 4 because he has $10M remaining on his deal?

The cap doesn't matter for management, but I wonder how much the prospect of flushing actual dollars influences a teams decision to retain or sever employment.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737190 is a reply to message #737138 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 22:25

philly boy
Messages: 127
Registered: July 2007
Location: E-Town

No Cups

Jay wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 11:27

clutchlikeeberle wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 03:45

As I sit back and laugh at the insane comments here I cannot but wonder who could the Oilers have hired that would not get dissed. Minus Stevie Y of course. No one.....it is a wonder no one wants to play in Canada. You guys are insane man .....

LOL - Yeah "Canada" is totally the problem with this org.

My favourite posts are the ones that complain about how people complain to much.

I used to be that guy. Not anymore! lol

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737193 is a reply to message #737189 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 22:46

Kr55
Messages: 9583
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton

6 Cups

mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 22:16

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 17:27

Goose wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 17:25

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 15:59

Yeah, considering what they are giving Holland, who knows what they threw at Chia. Could have been the same 3M that McLellan got. That had to give pause to Katz and Nicholson when considering dumping him, and allowing a McLellan firing.

If Holland is a mess in a couple years, I think a cheap inside promotion will be the only option. Wonder who that could be.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737195 is a reply to message #737189 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 22:53

smyth260
Messages: 944
Registered: November 2007

No Cups

I agree here. A lot of coaches/GMs get fired and then work again shortly after. This let's the firing team off the hook for their much or all of their remaining salaries. But in Holland's case, this could very well be his last NHL gig. If you want to fire him halfway through his 5 year deal, that could be 12.5 million dollars on the hook for the Oilers. How comfortable will the owner be with that? This is almost a Lucic type deal but for a GM. It could be very difficult to get out of that financial commitment, and as such will affect the decision to fire him or not.

Clean house or bust

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737197 is a reply to message #737195 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 08:11

CrudeRemarks
Messages: 1698
Registered: November 2010
Location: Edmonton

1 Cup

smyth260 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 22:53

These concerns are a bit overblown. Katz loves wasting money on management types.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737201 is a reply to message #737197 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 09:17

Magnum
Messages: 839
Registered: June 2009
Location: Rogers' Arena > Banff

No Cups

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 08:11

smyth260 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 22:53

These concerns are a bit overblown. Katz loves wasting money on management types.

I was waiting for someone to say this! Do we really think a few mill is a concern to DK?

After the tax savings it's more like $6.9M.

I WISH there was a cap on management salary, the team would be so much better off, or absolutely terrible-er. Just imagine if it was Lowe and MacT being the face, name, and negotiators.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737202 is a reply to message #737169 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 09:18

Jay
Messages: 232
Registered: January 2007
Location: Edmonton

No Cups

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 16:59

Lol - that avatar..

Whos that lurking in the background!? Probably someone who isn't involved in Hockey ops in any way shape or form...Kind of a perfect metaphor for the Oilers isn't it?

"Initiative comes to thems that wait"

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737204 is a reply to message #737186 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 09:21

RDOilerfan
Messages: 3695
Registered: January 2016

3 Cups

HOLY CRAP!! Katz is going to be at the presser and will actually talk.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737225 is a reply to message #737197 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 10:22

overdue
Messages: 493
Registered: October 2014

No Cups

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 08:11

smyth260 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 22:53

These concerns are a bit overblown. Katz loves wasting money on management types.

I agree, compared to bad player contracts which do count against the cap,( potentially Koskinen ) the money they are giving Holland is peanuts.( this org wastes big dollars all the time because they have it to waste ) At least with this deal you are much more likely to be getting value for it. I guess it's possible, like with any signing that it doesn't work out as hoped for but this is a better gamble than many they have made in the past. They could also be begging him to re sign after 5 years even though he wants to retire, who knows.At least you know he's going to put all that experience and knowledge into making the Oilers a winner and positive results will likely follow. As Oiler fans here we always look at the half empty first. This is Ken Holland, not one hit wonder Peter Chiarelli and 5 mil doesn't seem unreasonable to get proven quality especially with all the overblown contracts that get you a lot less.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737226 is a reply to message #737202 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 10:24

Kr55
Messages: 9583
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton

6 Cups

Jay wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 09:18

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 16:59

Lol - that avatar..

Whos that lurking in the background!? Probably someone who isn't involved in Hockey ops in any way shape or form...Kind of a perfect metaphor for the Oilers isn't it?

That's from 2013, Holland went to the Oilers box and taught Lowe (background guy) and Tambo how to use a TV :)

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM and POHO offer [message #737242 is a reply to message #737037 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 11:32

Goose
Messages: 1098
Registered: October 2006
Location: Vancouver

1 Cup

Spector confirms that Ken Holland will receive zero criticism from the Edmonton media during his tenure here (not that this is really news):

Quote:

Before games, they hold what is commonly called a ‘press meal.’ The media, the off-ice officials, the visiting scouts, often the two clubs’ training staffs who have worked all day and are hungry, we all pay the $10 or $15 and have a nice pre-game meal.

Some general managers avoid those situations. They have a dressing room attendant get them a plate, and bring it to the privacy of the dressing room so they can eat in peace.

Ken Holland sits at a table and breaks bread with… Whomever. And by the time you walk away from that table, and load into the elevator to get upstairs, you’ve learned a lot about the game and he’s always learned a little. Because there’s always something to be learned from anyone, if you just keep your ears open.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/oilers-wise-bet-ken-holl and-neither-old-finished/

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM and POHO offer [message #737243 is a reply to message #737037 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 11:46

Suomalainen
Messages: 669
Registered: May 2002
Location: Boulder, CO

No Cups

https://twitter.com/JSportsnet/status/1125816734701826048

Some of the old-timers remember my story about surviving a drug-resistant bacterial infection, so in light of that, best wishes to Katz.

97.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM and POHO offer [message #737244 is a reply to message #737243 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 11:51

RDOilerfan
Messages: 3695
Registered: January 2016

3 Cups

One thing about Holland is in listening to his presser, he had a hell of a lot more energy and sounded more enthusiastic that Chia ever did. Chia always sounded like he on his way to a funeral before the odd time he talked to the media.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM and POHO offer [message #737246 is a reply to message #737243 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 12:02

Skookum Jim
Messages: 3895
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC

3 Cups

Suomalainen wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 10:46

https://twitter.com/JSportsnet/status/1125816734701826048

Some of the old-timers remember my story about surviving a drug-resistant bacterial infection, so in light of that, best wishes to Katz.

Holy crap. He's had it at least for 2 years, explains a lot, probably down in the USA getting treatment/surgeries the last two years.
An example of modern society's undaunted tendency to form hard opinions despite an absence of facts.

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM and POHO offer [message #737247 is a reply to message #737244 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 12:03

Adam
Messages: 6813
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB

6 Cups

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 11:51

Put this down in the category that doesn't really mean anything important. Ditto for him being great about talking hockey with the scribes.

I don't really care, as long as he doesn't make terrible trades, doesn't sign terrible contracts and maybe, just maybe improves the hockey team.

It's good to hear he isn't anti-analytics though, if you want an actual positive.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM and POHO offer [message #737250 is a reply to message #737247 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 12:09

RDOilerfan
Messages: 3695
Registered: January 2016

3 Cups

Adam wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 12:03

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 11:51

Never said it meant anything. You can have lots of energy but it doesn't mean you will do a good job. Chia always came off as an arrogant, I am smarter than you are, I don't give a crap.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM and POHO offer [message #737251 is a reply to message #737250 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 12:11

Adam
Messages: 6813
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB

6 Cups

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 12:09

Adam wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 12:03

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 11:51

Never said it meant anything. You can have lots of energy but it doesn't mean you will do a good job. Chia always came off as an arrogant, I am smarter than you are, I don't give a crap.

That actually fits in really well with the culture in Oilers management...

It's the kind of lovely personality trait (coupled with not actually being as smart as they think they are) that leads to doubling down on decisions like Russell and Koskinen in order to own the haters...

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM and POHO offer [message #737252 is a reply to message #737251 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 12:13

RDOilerfan
Messages: 3695
Registered: January 2016

3 Cups

Adam wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 12:11

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 12:09

Adam wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 12:03

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 11:51

Never said it meant anything. You can have lots of energy but it doesn't mean you will do a good job. Chia always came off as an arrogant, I am smarter than you are, I don't give a crap.

Hopefully with Holland, things will change then. Lots of questionable moves over the years.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM and POHO offer [message #737253 is a reply to message #737246 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 12:15

RDOilerfan
Messages: 3695
Registered: January 2016

3 Cups

Interesting how Holland commented about Hitch and how if they brought him back, it would be another year before they had a even a chance at making the playoffs. Apparently, he's not a big Hitch fan. icon_lol

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737254 is a reply to message #737197 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 12:19

bigEfromGP
Messages: 813
Registered: July 2006
Location: GP, AB

No Cups

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 08:11

smyth260 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 22:53

These concerns are a bit overblown. Katz loves wasting money on management types.

I don't know why anyone is concerned with KH's payday. Katz has the money to spend, he shows that every year as he adds guys like #99, Coffey, etc to the Club in roles that are primarily figureheads or ambassadors. He wanted KH, so he made him an offer he couldn't refuse. I see no issues with that.

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 09 October 2020 13:17

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 09 October 2020 13:00

The president thinks he has the ideal male body.
It's hard to disagree that he has the ideal male body.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737255 is a reply to message #737254 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 12:29

Adam
Messages: 6813
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB

6 Cups

bigEfromGP wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 12:19

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 08:11

smyth260 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 22:53

These concerns are a bit overblown. Katz loves wasting money on management types.

I'm always a little concerned about it, because frivolous spending catches up to people and fortunes can swing rapidly. Peter Pocklington was at one point known for flashing cash and doing wild things with it, and then suddenly his back was to the wall and his empire was crumbling. It could happen to Katz too, and at some point if his toy is too expensive, there will be belt tightening somewhere...

What we've seen with the Oilers on that in the past is that they'll ride out their mistakes a little longer - we heard last year that the contracts for McLellan and Chiarelli may have helped them keep their jobs - and they'll make sacrifices much further down the food chain - ie. the lady who's job it was to take care of player's family needs - as opposed to actually firing the fat cats at the top who contribute nothing of value.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM and POHO offer [message #737282 is a reply to message #737253 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 15:04

PlusOne
Messages: 1521
Registered: July 2006
Location: Regina, Sask

1 Cup

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 12:15

I am not going to go back and watch but I thought he said something along the lines of;
If Hitch came back it would only be for one more year and he wants to bring in someone who he (Holland) can work with long term and build something.

I was only listening half assed while at work so could of hear wrong. I didnt hear it as a slam on Hitch but more of him looking for a long term partnership in a coach.

Survivor LX(I) and 67 Champ(i)on

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21

und(i)sputed O.L.F.N Heavybra(i)n Champ(i)on of the Woooooooooooooooooorld. Plus. One.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM and POHO offer [message #737283 is a reply to message #737250 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 15:08

philly boy
Messages: 127
Registered: July 2007
Location: E-Town

No Cups

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 12:09

Adam wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 12:03

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 11:51

Never said it meant anything. You can have lots of energy but it doesn't mean you will do a good job. Chia always came off as an arrogant, I am smarter than you are, I don't give a crap.

Lol. You must get offended and project on people easily. Chia was a terrible general manager, and good riddance, but this thought literally never crossed my mind once. "Oh he's educated... he has to be an a$$hole!"

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM and POHO offer [message #737284 is a reply to message #737282 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 15:18

smyth260
Messages: 944
Registered: November 2007

No Cups

That's what I took away as well. I think that makes complete sense. Go and hire your long term guy.

Clean house or bust

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM and POHO offer [message #737286 is a reply to message #737250 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 15:28

PlusOne
Messages: 1521
Registered: July 2006
Location: Regina, Sask

1 Cup

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 12:09

Adam wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 12:03

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 11:51

Never said it meant anything. You can have lots of energy but it doesn't mean you will do a good job. Chia always came off as an arrogant, I am smarter than you are, I don't give a crap.

Funny, you had dozens of "wait and see" or "benefit of the doubt" type posts in your constant defending of Chia and his crap moves but now you have turned on him.

I will say I respect your ability to support the team as a whole but turn on anyone once they are gone.

Survivor LX(I) and 67 Champ(i)on

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21

und(i)sputed O.L.F.N Heavybra(i)n Champ(i)on of the Woooooooooooooooooorld. Plus. One.

Report message to a moderator

Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM and POHO offer [message #737287 is a reply to message #737284 ]	Tue, 07 May 2019 15:29

PlusOne
Messages: 1521
Registered: July 2006
Location: Regina, Sask

1 Cup

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 15:18

That's what I took away as well. I think that makes complete sense. Go and hire your long term guy.

Agreed 100%. It was one of my positives from Hollands Q and A. He preached stability, loyalty and growth.
Hopefully he was talking about the players and his new coach, not the OBC.

Survivor LX(I) and 67 Champ(i)on

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21

und(i)sputed O.L.F.N Heavybra(i)n Champ(i)on of the Woooooooooooooooooorld. Plus. One.

Report message to a moderator

Pages (5): [ « < 1 2 3 4 5 > »]

Previous Topic:	Review: Colorado @ Edmonton (Game #65)
Next Topic:	GDT: Colorado @ Edmonton (Game #65)

Oilers

NHL

Minors

Speculation

For Sale

Copyright © OilFans.com 1996-2022.
All content is property of OilFans.com and cannot be used without expressed, written consent from this site.
Questions, comments and suggestions can be directed to oilfans@OilFans.com
Privacy Statement

Hosted by LogicalHosting.ca