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 nullterm
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If it's not true, blame Rishaug (wouldn't be the first time)...
Ryan Rishaug
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Peter Chiarelli has been fired by the Oilers. Done deal
https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/108796747956402585 8
edit - has been RTed by Darren Dreger which makes it as official as it gets until the Oilers say
John Shannon
Verified account @JSportsnet
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The Edmonton Oilers have dismissed Peter Chiarelli as President/GM.
SportsCentre
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BREAKING: #Oilers fire president of hockey operations and general manager Peter Chiarelli.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
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Adam
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Sadly - that tweet only says Peter Chiarelli. Once again it's just one for one. Sigh.
Well, I can update my signature line...
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky
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McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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kungpaobenji27
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I pray to God Lowe or Mac-T are not the interim replacements....
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nullterm
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| kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 23:14 |
I pray to God Lowe or Mac-T are not the interim replacements....
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"If you have to ask the question...."
And then watch the old timer media guys like Matheson eat it up and spoon feed it back to their readers.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
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Skookum Jim
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The trades he did make this season were desperate, trades he forced himself into making that he shouldn't have.
That's on him, and the people that supported those decisions, including; K. Gretzky, McTavish, Howeson, pro scout staff, Nicholson, Lowe. The debacle is not over.
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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vsove
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Just remember.
Either they let someone who was this close to being fired negotiate with Koskinen, which means the remaining management team is a bunch of idiots.
Or
Whoever's taking over from Chiarelli made that Koskinen deal. Which still means they're a bunch of idiots.
No Mo' Lowe | Fire McLellan | Fire everyone.
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Adam
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| vsove wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 00:29 |
Just remember.
Either they let someone who was this close to being fired negotiate with Koskinen, which means the remaining management team is a bunch of idiots.
Or
Whoever's taking over from Chiarelli made that Koskinen deal. Which still means they're a bunch of idiots.
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Let’s be honest, it was B. They all had a hand in the Koskinen deal. Who knows, maybe they were hoping everyone thinks it’s a Chia-gaffe and forgets about it now?
They are definitely a bunch of idiots who aren’t qualified to run a lemonade stand, never mind a professional sports franchise and their long resumes of failure mean that it’s unlikely anyone would hire them for any key role if the Oilers ever let them go. But they’re Friends of Katz, so they’ll slide by as always.
I just hope we get another press conference with Kevin Lowe soon...
On a related note, is this the end of the NHL career for Peter Chiarelli? I can’t see him coming back from this. It’s been so bad, and his record of brutal trades is so long now. I don’t care how popular the guy is, you’d have to be stupid to entrust him with another job.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky
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Lew19
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Why is Edmonton the place where most guys hockey careers go to die. Be it player, personal, management.....Seems to be a theme...
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Ragnarok73
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Great timing, Oil- you waited until this season is all but down the toilet before making a move that you should have made last offseason at latest. You pack of @##@ing morons.
Now watch these assclowns announce that MacT is taking over as interim GM to put the finishing touches on the $@$% sandwich that the fans will have to finish eating this season.
"There's no greater springboard to development than failure." - Craig MacTavish, April 13/15.
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"Sabres think the suck is their ally? They merely adopted the suck. The Oilers were born in it...molded by it."
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nullterm
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| Adam wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 23:34 |
| vsove wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 00:29 |
Just remember.
Either they let someone who was this close to being fired negotiate with Koskinen, which means the remaining management team is a bunch of idiots.
Or
Whoever's taking over from Chiarelli made that Koskinen deal. Which still means they're a bunch of idiots.
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Let’s be honest, it was B. They all had a hand in the Koskinen deal. Who knows, maybe they were hoping everyone thinks it’s a Chia-gaffe and forgets about it now?
They are definitely a bunch of idiots who aren’t qualified to run a lemonade stand, never mind a professional sports franchise and their long resumes of failure mean that it’s unlikely anyone would hire them for any key role if the Oilers ever let them go. But they’re Friends of Katz, so they’ll slide by as always.
I just hope we get another press conference with Kevin Lowe soon...
On a related note, is this the end of the NHL career for Peter Chiarelli? I can’t see him coming back from this. It’s been so bad, and his record of brutal trades is so long now. I don’t care how popular the guy is, you’d have to be stupid to entrust him with another job.
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We all know they all had a hand in all the decisions being made. Chiarelli was the meat shield to walk through the mine field and take all the bullets, now the OBC has to find someone else now that he's just a pair of smoking boots left.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
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Adam
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| Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 00:36 |
Great timing, Oil- you waited until this season is all but down the toilet before making a move that you should have made last offseason at latest. You pack of @##@ing morons.
Now watch these assclowns announce that MacT is taking over as interim GM to put the finishing touches on the $@$% sandwich that the fans will have to finish eating this season.
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“I see the rest of this year as a ‘development period’!”
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky
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Adam
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| nullterm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 00:37 |
| Adam wrote on Tue, 22 January 2019 23:34 |
| vsove wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 00:29 |
Just remember.
Either they let someone who was this close to being fired negotiate with Koskinen, which means the remaining management team is a bunch of idiots.
Or
Whoever's taking over from Chiarelli made that Koskinen deal. Which still means they're a bunch of idiots.
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Let’s be honest, it was B. They all had a hand in the Koskinen deal. Who knows, maybe they were hoping everyone thinks it’s a Chia-gaffe and forgets about it now?
They are definitely a bunch of idiots who aren’t qualified to run a lemonade stand, never mind a professional sports franchise and their long resumes of failure mean that it’s unlikely anyone would hire them for any key role if the Oilers ever let them go. But they’re Friends of Katz, so they’ll slide by as always.
I just hope we get another press conference with Kevin Lowe soon...
On a related note, is this the end of the NHL career for Peter Chiarelli? I can’t see him coming back from this. It’s been so bad, and his record of brutal trades is so long now. I don’t care how popular the guy is, you’d have to be stupid to entrust him with another job.
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We all know they all had a hand in all the decisions being made. Chiarelli was the meat shield to walk through the mine field and take all the bullets, now the OBC has to find someone else now that he's just a pair of smoking boots left.
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Hopefully he feels maligned and starts spreading his side of the story through the media, just like McLellan did. Would be great to have more fuel on the dumpster fire here.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky
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Can’t wait to read Shoops take on this
In fairness to Hall, I've wanted to throw a waterbottle at Eakins all season.
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nullterm
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And there it is....
John Shannon
Verified account @JSportsnet
Keith Gretzky will assume many of Chiarelli’s duties in the next few weeks, with Vice Chairman Bob Nicholson being more involved until they find a new GM.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
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Adam
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| nullterm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 01:05 |
And there it is....
John Shannon
Verified account @JSportsnet
Keith Gretzky will assume many of Chiarelli’s duties in the next few weeks, with Vice Chairman Bob Nicholson being more involved until they find a new GM.
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Yeah, I’ll believe that they’re doing a real search when I see some evidence of it. It’s more likely that the dream team is running the show and intends to continue doing so. This GM search might go in to the same imaginary box as the forensic audit...
Interesting to note - MacTavish we were told was made #2 when Chia joined. Flash forward 4 years and MacT is still right there collecting cheques and helping the team collect 7th defenceman just like he was before Chia came in to the picture.
This organization disgusts me.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky
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Adam
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The blathering sycophant Mark Spector posted his hatchet piece on Chia’s exit. As expected, he’s blamed everything squarely on Chiarelli with nary a mention of the ineptitude of those surrounding him who all still have jobs. Also, he hilariously brings up the Hall/Larsson trade as his example of Chiarelli’s blundering. Anyone who’s been around a while knows that Spector went to bat for that trade multiple times in the past...
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky
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Adam
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Meanwhile some fascinating tweets by John Short tonight too:
- suggests that The Katz-run Oilers are more money-hungry than Pocklington.
- questions why a lame duck GM gets to sign a goalie to an albatross the day before he’s fired.
- says that Hitchcock had a bunch of influence with the OIlers BEFORE McLellan was fired!?!
- some back and forth with Paul Almeida about the need to expose the underbelly of the Oilers organization and the problems that lie therein!!!
- suggests that the Old Boys (“deep-rooted members of the Oilers Insider group” he calls them) may have had significant influence over the last 4 years.
All that has been covered in here, but it is nice to see some media member saying it - even if it’s a retired one. Now, do any of the current media guys have the courage to write that story?
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky
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| Adam wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 00:45 |
Meanwhile some fascinating tweets by John Short tonight too:
- suggests that The Katz-run Oilers are more money-hungry than Pocklington.
- questions why a lame duck GM gets to sign a goalie to an albatross the day before he’s fired.
- says that Hitchcock had a bunch of influence with the OIlers BEFORE McLellan was fired!?!
- some back and forth with Paul Almeida about the need to expose the underbelly of the Oilers organization and the problems that lie therein!!!
- suggests that the Old Boys (“deep-rooted members of the Oilers Insider group” he calls them) may have had significant influence over the last 4 years.
All that has been covered in here, but it is nice to see some media member saying it - even if it’s a retired one. Now, do any of the current media guys have the courage to write that story?
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If they do, this could be D-day!
Could we be getting our management purge?
Unlikely. But we can dream.
Bob Marley and the (Hartford) Wailers.
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| Ales Cooper wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 02:03 |
Can’t wait to read Shoops take on this
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Hahaha! Well, he did say the Koski deal broke him, I think(?).
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| Xombie wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 03:19 |
| Adam wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 00:45 |
Meanwhile some fascinating tweets by John Short tonight too:
- suggests that The Katz-run Oilers are more money-hungry than Pocklington.
- questions why a lame duck GM gets to sign a goalie to an albatross the day before he’s fired.
- says that Hitchcock had a bunch of influence with the OIlers BEFORE McLellan was fired!?!
- some back and forth with Paul Almeida about the need to expose the underbelly of the Oilers organization and the problems that lie therein!!!
- suggests that the Old Boys (“deep-rooted members of the Oilers Insider group” he calls them) may have had significant influence over the last 4 years.
All that has been covered in here, but it is nice to see some media member saying it - even if it’s a retired one. Now, do any of the current media guys have the courage to write that story?
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If they do, this could be D-day!
Could we be getting our management purge?
Unlikely. But we can dream.
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Maybe! Probably not. But. Maybe!
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oilerfan79
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I'll take Ken Holland once Stevie Y replaces him in Detroit after the season.
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I am not defending Chia by any means here, but he hasn't been all bad. This is the first time in a long time I'm actually excited about some of the prospects on the farm that weren't taken in the first 2 rounds. He has done a better job than his recent predecessors in cultivating some form of pipeline for the big team, or at least that's how it looks this year. Most of the top scorers down there can still be considered prospects unlike most of the last decade.
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Probably took until midnight because they had to get the laywers to go over Chia’s NDA. Can’t have him talking about how crappy this org is, how badly it is run, how all the old boys are everywhere in everything while they carry around giant glasses if wine.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
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This site has been a gem.
Every day ever since McLellan got the axe, I've been following it. Imagine my surprise when it finally changed...
https://www.haschiarellibeenfired.ca/
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No one is going to want to touch this organization. Just look at the track record of those that have been here.
Why would anyone want to be a meat shield? Regardless of the kind of money the team throws your way... do you want your legacy to include total failure at the "head" of this damned franchise?
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| HamBlaster wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 07:22 |
No one is going to want to touch this organization. Just look at the track record of those that have been here.
Why would anyone want to be a meat shield? Regardless of the kind of money the team throws your way... do you want your legacy to include total failure at the "head" of this damned franchise?
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This is what has me concerned. Who's going to come to Edmonton? But, if they give someone a retirement level contract, why not? But then, that person has minimal initiative to perform.
Was the Koskinen deal a big FU to the organization on the way out? If so, well done Pete!
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| Adam wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 04:45 |
Meanwhile some fascinating tweets by John Short tonight too:
- suggests that The Katz-run Oilers are more money-hungry than Pocklington.
- questions why a lame duck GM gets to sign a goalie to an albatross the day before he’s fired.
- says that Hitchcock had a bunch of influence with the OIlers BEFORE McLellan was fired!?!
- some back and forth with Paul Almeida about the need to expose the underbelly of the Oilers organization and the problems that lie therein!!!
- suggests that the Old Boys (“deep-rooted members of the Oilers Insider group” he calls them) may have had significant influence over the last 4 years.
All that has been covered in here, but it is nice to see some media member saying it - even if it’s a retired one. Now, do any of the current media guys have the courage to write that story?
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AT some point, the rumblings need to turn into roars from everyone in the MSM. We've had 8 Coaches, with the next hire, 5 GMs, and the entire roster has changed over multiple times, yet nothing changes. The one constant through all of this: Kevin Lowe. I have no doubt he really wants the team to win, but he and his friends are very obviously not cut out for it. He and his friends need to be shown the door.
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Not sure what his replacement will be able to do in the short or even medium term. His bad contracts and trades have stripped away most of the leverage Peter started with. Connor’s potential legacy has already been wasted. It’s too late.
To me this is proof that easy money corrupts. The incentives of this club are horribly distorted by multiple #1 picks including the last one they shouldn’t have had any business getting, and an owner that doesn’t seem to want to be involved In the business. It’s like the embodiment of a trust fund kid. No need to save and scrimp and invest for the future if you’ve never been poor! Well, now you’re very poor, with no life skills, and trying to figure out how to make Kraft Dinner but you poured the cheese in with the boiling noodles because that’s how you thought it worked.
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| nullterm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 01:05 |
And there it is....
John Shannon
Verified account @JSportsnet
Keith Gretzky will assume many of Chiarelli’s duties in the next few weeks, with Vice Chairman Bob Nicholson being more involved until they find a new GM.
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More involved? Stay away.
"Bah Gawd! Would somebody stop the damn draft!"
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I'm glad, but I really see no way out of this spiral for the time being, especially with the OBC running things. Who is out there that would be willing to take over with that gang looming above? Does anyone want to take over a team with a roster that essentially is stuck?
Like I said, I'm glad, but it's a big meh for me with this stupid org.
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They finally fired him. I suspect that the Koskinen deal wasn't necessarily a Chia decision.
For those who are complaining about Keith Gretzky taking over on an intern basis. Exactly what the hell did you expect would happen? They fired Chia last night, someone has to take over the duties until a replacement is found. I would suspect that they will take these 10 days to search.
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Actually this is very true this is the only thing he did very well but his track record of trading has been very poor. We need new blood without influence of the old boy club it is time to show these guys the door and hire a competent GM that will bring his people and fix this mess once for all. There is no magic in fixing this franchise and it will take at least 2 years to get a decent product on ice. This summer the new gm needs to upgrade the defense with at least one new guy and not a no. 4-7 defenseman, also we need one or two RW and get the first 2 line running once for all. Use Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, the first pick and before the draft get what you need.
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Press Conference set for 10am in Edmonton.
Not sure if the post-Chiarelli firing, Nicholson PC is worthy of its own thread when it’s likely to just be a reaffirmation of ‘the plan’ and blah blah deck chairs.
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The Flyers fired Hextall this year and brought in an outside hire for the interim GM role (Chuck Fletcher).
Given the Oilers braintrust (including Gretzky) has damaged so much, nobody in that group should be making decisions. If other teams can find an outside hire in a short time, so can we. We just choose not to. Nearest warm body, as always.
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| Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 08:31 |
Press Conference set for 10am in Edmonton.
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I would pay hundreds of dollars to see Kevin Lowe go on another rant as epic as the Tier 2 fan rant.
Please let this happen. This is the only thing keeping me interested in the team. 
Can the Oilers bring in Trump for this presser? Or work him in somehow? This presser just feels like it needs some Trump, or I guess I would settle for Vince McMahon, maybe Chris Farley's brother if those two options fail.
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| Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 00:36 |
Great timing, Oil- you waited until this season is all but down the toilet before making a move that you should have made last offseason at latest. You pack of @##@ing morons.
Now watch these assclowns announce that MacT is taking over as interim GM to put the finishing touches on the $@$% sandwich that the fans will have to finish eating this season.
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The only reason they did this was because season renewals are going out in the next two weeks. They have zero interest in fielding a competitive team they just want to line their pockets. This team has focused on the entertainment in the broad sense and have lost focus on their core business and the primary stakeholder group. I am cancelling seasons after 15 yrs - just can't do it anymore.
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| smyth260 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 08:36 |
The Flyers fired Hextall this year and brought in an outside hire for the interim GM role (Chuck Fletcher).
Given the Oilers braintrust (including Gretzky) has damaged so much, nobody in that group should be making decisions. If other teams can find an outside hire in a short time, so can we. We just choose not to. Nearest warm body, as always.
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I want the Oilers to get this next GM right. They haven't done that with the previous guys. So I have no problem letting Gretzky sit in his same office, doing most of the same duties he's been doing, maybe doing a couple more things like call ups that might be considered "GM duties" which aren't going to make a damn bit of difference while they look for the right guy.
Are the Oilers a mess? YES but they have McDavid. So good people will STILL want this job. Does this team need some changes, YES. But there are a bunch of good pieces so you aren't starting from scratch. When looking for a replacement, anyone who's actually really good, is not going to either take the job to be an intern GM or leave their current job just to potentially have a job for a few months.
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Not saying I believe there is a deal out there... but does Lucic want out officially now that his Ol pal Pete is gone?
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