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 Re: "Playoffs preserve Chia's Job" - Nicholson [message #726077 is a reply to message #726048 ]
Sat, 29 December 2018 19:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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PlusOne wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 22:48

While I disagree that any of this should qualify that PC has done a good job I do appreciate that you contributed some basis for your opinion.


Thanks. At the end of the day we are all Oilers fans. Pretty sad that some people think the only reason someone would express support for Chia is to troll.

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 22:48

Talbot- good for a while, seems to be broken and may have list his starting job, leads to;


Fair point. Truly the glass half empty/half full view of Chiarelli. I think it's positive that Chia only gave him three years. Talbot's putrid play today was another example of why he isn't the answer going forward.

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 22:48

Koski- massive overpay unless his home game stretch is consistant for the rest of the season, then it would be his second biggest win (Chiasson is his best move)


Koskinen has had one brutal game so far. Hopefully his play in his last three games is just a mini-slump and he returns to form against Winnipeg. Koskinen is currently 11-6-2 with a .918 save percentage, 2.52 GAA and 3 shutouts. If he finishes the season 33-18-6 with the same stats and 9 shutouts it won't be seen as an overpay at all. Then y'all will criticize Chia for not signing him to a multi-year deal. icon_lol

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 22:48

Russell- My thoughts on him are well known, also well known is that he is overpaid by a lot and has too long of term and a NMT. One of PC's biggest errors in causing cap hell


Disagreed on the pay. $4M for what Rusell brought last season and this season up until he was injured was reasonable for his level of play. Russell can be traded next year, a ten team list I believe. The Oilers are 1-6-0 since Russell went out. Was it the same game as Klefa? I think the team would be a game or two better over that stretch if Russell had been in.

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 22:48

Maroon- not here anymore, credit for getting him but he is not contributing to the Oilers, neither is the return they got when dealing him


That's why players are free agents. Chiarelli did get some assets when the team knew Maroon only had an interest in signing with one team as a free agent. Dudek is a piece of re-stocking the farm system. Not sure how a third rounder in 2019 could contribute now.

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 22:48

Kassian- overpaid and largely ineffective.


Meh. Agreed I guess. Not sure how much less Kassian would have taken. Definitely having a horrible year. $1.95 M for his 19 points last season wasn't too bad. For his projected 7 points this year it's really bad.

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 22:48

Eberle trade- Secondary scoring on the Oilers is a huge weakness. Cap space saved was used to overpay bottom 6ers and bottom pairing D-men


It was totally a cap move to dump Ebs, although I think the Ference interview clearly points to Eberle (along with Hall) being part of the problem with the old core. After a season Chia dumped Hall. Then Eberle crapped the bed in the playoffs and Chia moved on. Eberle was ok last season but nothing better than we saw out of him as an Oiler. His play has fallen off a cliff this season. Maybe he has been injured all season and the Isles finally put him on IR?

Secondary scoring hadn't been as big a deal under Hitch. At least he gets how to deploy the top six or has at times. I'd like to see JJ returned to the second line as a winger. He isn't good as a centre.

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 22:48

Farm team- It is much better than it was but the bar was extremely low


But ... icon_rolleyes We all know that the OBC was terrible. Even if the Oilers miss the playoffs and Chia deservedly gets canned the team is in much better shape than when he got here, and that's not just because of McDavid. Using the 'but' is a way of denigrating Chia's work. It's the best farm system this team has had in over a decade. Chia has definitely improved the farm system and it deserves a little more than but yeah...

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 22:48

Overall a few of his small moves have been passable, a couple have been hits, the bigger the move the worse it seems to be.


I think merely calling the smaller moves as passable overall really undervalues what he has done with those moves. In many respects it comes down to whether Chiarelli ever gets credit or anything he does that's good is dismissed and undervalued.

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 22:48

The bottom line for me is the measure of a GM is results and trajectory.
The Oilers are almost as bad now as the were when PC took over. If it wasn't for McDavid, which had nothing to do with him, it is almost assured they would be a bottom 5 team still.


I completely agree on trajectory. Making the playoffs this year would be a huge positive move in terms of the trajectory of this team.

As for no McDavid, it's all moot. Don't think Chia would have taken the job without McDavid coming in.

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 22:48

So what has PC improved?
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The farm team was terrible and is now average
The Defense was terrible, is still below average
secondary scoring was bad, it still is


I think you are underselling Chia on all three fronts. Already discussed farm team. Defence is really bad with three of the top four defencemen on the team injured. We have no idea what Sekera/Russell/Klefa will be like when they come back. The defence is at least league average with all three healthy. Not sure if we get any of them healthy the rest of this season. Secondary scoring is better than pre-Chia. Still not great, but better.

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 22:48

All PC has done is move out some "problem" players and replace them with lesser hockey players. Not to mention in doing so he put the team in a poor cap situation that will last for years thanks to buyout proof deals and no move clauses.


Other than the Lucic signing what are the poor signings with NMCs? Russell has a ten team list he can be moved to next season. Jumps to 20 the season after. Draisaitl's NMC doesn't kick in until 2022-23. Nurse doesn't have an NMC.

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 22:48

I am not easily satisfied but I appreciate the effort. Much like others before you, if your goal here is to satisfy others you will often leave disappointed. If you want some debate and discussion with a group is largely smart hockey folks then you find it with posts like yours in this case. I think this was your best post as you had some substance. Good work.


Thanks appreciated.

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 22:48

"What's with "the masses" line? Some misguided attempt at me because I have my own opinion? "As to this one, not misguided at all, right on target.
According to your info you have 56 posts in the last couple weeks. Almost every one has included some form of condescension, name calling, trying to be an "alpha" to use your term, going after many different people who called out posts of yours that you disagreed with.


I really disagree with the "many different people" part. Babaganoosh called me a troll and called for me to be banned repeatedly. Not sure what I'm supposed to do with that? Accept he thinks I should be banned and leave the site voluntarily? kr55 has admitted to being sarcastic, insulted my job as likely being a government job than walked that insult back. Again, not sure. I do stand by everything I said about Vice.

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 22:48

You seem very easily offended so I will try to be nicer in how I disagree with you from now on.


If someone calls me a troll and calls for me to be banned what is the correct non-condescending, not taking offence way to reply?

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 22:48

This place has no moderators (that I know of), just MJ who runs the place. We tend to self police. Those who contribute and do it with some semblance of intelligence tend to fit in just fine and last for years. Those who cant take the heat of having opinions challenge tend to disappear and go back to lurking at HF.


I think my last post, and this post, are examples of contributing with a semblance of intelligence. If the default is that anyone who thinks Chia should keep his job if the Oilers make the playoffs this season has to be a troll I'm not sure what to say to that.

As for lurking on HF ... omg just reading some of those threads with the flat out despisal of Chiarelli is mindblowing. I haven't looked there for a while, but even when I did lurk it just wasn't worth the true, actual hatred of Chiarelli. There were a couple people there who were obsessed with hating him.

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 22:48

TL:DR
The Oilers are still a bad hockey team that without McDavid would be bottom 5
PC has done nothing to improve the team
Making the playoffs shouldt be the bar for success
New members are fun, even if I disagree



Without McDavid, Chia probably doesn't accept the job so everything else is moot.
Really disagree on doing nothing to improve the team.
What should the bar for success be? I ask that in all seriousness.
I do agree that it can be fun to be on a site like this.

Tonight was a perfect example for me. The game this afternoon was horrible. The bright spot for the team recently has been Caleb Jones. When Klefa and Russell are back I think Jones should stay with the big club.

I fear that if the Oilers miss the playoffs I will continue to get called a Chia apologist. Nothing could be farther from the truth. No playoffs and Chia has gots to go. At this point playoffs would be a great accomplishment. Only 58 days to the trade deadline.

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PlusOne wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 01:25

Are you forgetting your own posts now?

shoop wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018

Can anyone name a defenceman who has played better for the Oilers since Chris Pronger other than Larsson?





Not at all.

I clarified my position on that post when someone brought up Sekera. The one really good season Sekera, 2016-17, with the Oilers is better than any individual season Larsson has had with the Oilers (or any Oilers defenceman has had since Pronger). Over the length of their time with the Oilers I think Larsson has been better than Sekera.

What am I forgetting?

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Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 20:37


I too took what you were doing the wrong. Just seemed wierd how you chose a losing streak to pump Chia's tires when everyone is screaming for his head. If that's genuinely how you feel I will respect it. Your going to take a lot of crap for it. Welcome to the forum.


Thanks. The welcome is appreciated.

Typing on phones I get it, but I'm not sure what you meant with the first sentence.

I get the timing is odd. But the team will have to go on a couple winning streaks to make the playoffs. So maybe I took the thread title too literally? confused2

If the Oilers continue to play this horribly then the Chiarelli deservedly gets fired.

A big part for me is that Chiarelli really does have the Oilers on an upward trajectory. He inherited a really mixed back. McDavid was obviously the best part of what he walked into, but the farm system was horrible and there were serious problems with the core. Making the playoffs this year is something we had a real shot at a couple weeks ago. Now? Not so much.


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shoop wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 19:57

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 20:37


I too took what you were doing the wrong. Just seemed wierd how you chose a losing streak to pump Chia's tires when everyone is screaming for his head. If that's genuinely how you feel I will respect it. Your going to take a lot of crap for it. Welcome to the forum.


Thanks. The welcome is appreciated.

Typing on phones I get it, but I'm not sure what you meant with the first sentence.

I get the timing is odd. But the team will have to go on a couple winning streaks to make the playoffs. So maybe I took the thread title too literally? confused2

If the Oilers continue to play this horribly then the Chiarelli deservedly gets fired.

A big part for me is that Chiarelli really does have the Oilers on an upward trajectory. He inherited a really mixed back. McDavid was obviously the best part of what he walked into, but the farm system was horrible and there were serious problems with the core. Making the playoffs this year is something we had a real shot at a couple weeks ago. Now? Not so much.



Was supposed to say I took what you were doing the wrong way. Yes phones suck. I much rather be incomprehensible with a keyboard.

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Had to jump in here....This is the most entertainment i've seen Oilers related in a few weeks.

Defence of chia moves, trades, signing.

Talbot for a late 2nd,3rd and a 6th round pick - good move from a former Oilers Hall of Fame GM, who was tossing his old team a bone. Worked great for 156 games, plus a select few this year (lost his starting job to Kosinen) Here's the question, with Talbot UFA, does he get you the same return if we try to trade him today? Highly doubtful, right?

Maroon for Martin Gernat + 4th - Really excellent trade, but that turned into a void in our top line, and J.D. Dudek, who the Oilers haven't even signed. Better asset management on this one, we lost 3 players in this transaction.

Kris Russell signing- Traded Yakupov earlier in the day, and singed Kris to a 3.1 - 1 yr deal. This was Oct. 7th, 2016. Then we had this ... 5/4.5/4/2.5 is annual pay on Russell
— Mark Spector (@SportsnetSpec) June 23, 2017

-Zack Kassian for Ben Scrivens - Another good trade, although Zack's offense has disappeared, and Ben has since retired. A wash as of today. Loved him in the SJ series!

- Eberle for Strome for Spooner - Eberle had to go, no question about it. I was excited for Strome, but the kid just couldn't find his way here. I'd of been ok keeping Strome, as I felt he had a role. But to deal him for Spooner, you've now just washed that trade completely. Spooner doesn't give you much of anything now, or future. And now there's a gaping hole for a decent 3rd line center, which we had just traded!

-Koskinen - great signing, was thought to be pricey at first, but is now worth it's weight in gold. Finally a transaction that only cost us money, and is paying off. But this shouldn't need to be a home run. Many goalies to fill the #2 spot in the NHL, so your margin of error is nil on this one.

Farm - Looks good, but how much of that farm are we going to have to trade away to undue the Lucic signing? Finding a 1st/2nd line scoring winger? Shoring up the D, replacing our 2 UFA goalies in 2019-2020? Those cupboards can be bare, really quick as you need to give something to get something, and a 1 for 1 with any of the guys mentioned above with either the current gm or someone new, will likely cost you farm pieces.

Playoffs - No way this team should of been out of the playoffs for 12 years? If we had someone in charge that can do their job well, we are in the playoffs at least 60% of that time. Bad singing, bad goaltending, bad coaching, whatever it was....still on the people in charges hands (Lowe, MacT, whomever) We make the playoffs once in that time, with a generational player, a goalie playing every min, a reasonably rounded team able to make some noise on the ice. Instead of taking those pieces, and building off that, he took those pieces and undersold them. Moved Hall for Larsson and nothing else. Hall on any other team in the NHL would get you a D, another roster player, and a pick. The guy goes and wins the MVP the very next year to prove he was worth it. Now we can't find anyone to play McDavid's wing, other then our #2 center.

Sure the Oilers were close to winning the conference final, but we got dinked around by the refs in the ANA series, and havent been good since. We've filled holes, with bigger holes. We grab a little depth here n there (Zykov, waiver, then lost to LVK) We run with the same horses that fell short last season, hoping it was just a one off (Lucic, Brodziak,Kassian,Reider,Caguila) Luck out with Chaisson, a PTO walk on with league min salary, and are still grasping a sniff of the playoffs right at Xmas (now outside looking in) If just getting you there grants Chia another go at the helm, then explain to me why you'd burn another year of Connor, Draisitl, RNH,to just go through this again next year? We will have larger holes to fix, and if someone new isn't brought in to fix this heap of crap, then you're trading what little this team has left to just fill more holes you've just again made. So basically what has he done is my question? We all know what he hasn't or isn't doing. But where do you go from here? Me personally, and anyone who is financially tagged to this mess, you think you'd clean house right?
Your roommate, great guy. Sleeps on your couch all day while you go to work. When you get home he leaves a huge mess for you to clean up everyday. Does the dishes, and helps you pay your rent. You let it slide, right. Imagine that same roommate, while still doing the dishes and paying some of your rent goes and takes your car for a drive, and blows the engine. Goes and buys you a bike with little money he has. So now, that same roommate who does a little dishes, and still leaves you mess, just cost you your car, for a 10 speed. Is he still that nice of a guy? Do you keep him around? But he still does the dishes, and still helps pay your rent? Or do you find someone else who will be more responsible with your assets, and if he costs you a car, get's you a bad assed truck, and a case of beer for the effort? Maybe that new roommate introduces you to a lovely female friend of his, who want's to do your dishes, and doesn't put up any noise when she hangs out all the time, eventually costing said roommates spot in the house as the two settle down. Well our current GM in case you didn't guess is the old roommate. Just doing the motions without any real gain. Cost you some pieces, and now you're in a pinch. I'd go and find that new roommate (GM) who can get something for Lucic (if ever humanly possible), or any of the parts that aren't working and not only get you to the playoffs, but you in a spot where you are a contender year in year out!? Do you still defend the old roommate cause he washed a few dishes?

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shoop wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 20:36



Without McDavid, Chia probably doesn't accept the job so everything else is moot.
Really disagree on doing nothing to improve the team.
What should the bar for success be? I ask that in all seriousness.
I do agree that it can be fun to be on a site like this.

Tonight was a perfect example for me. The game this afternoon was horrible. The bright spot for the team recently has been Caleb Jones. When Klefa and Russell are back I think Jones should stay with the big club.

I fear that if the Oilers miss the playoffs I will continue to get called a Chia apologist. Nothing could be farther from the truth. No playoffs and Chia has gots to go. At this point playoffs would be a great accomplishment. Only 58 days to the trade deadline.



McDavid is relevant to a Chia discussion as my point is that he is the reason for the teams improvement. If they do make it two out of four years it is in spite of PC's moves and because of McDavid dragging them there.

Your question about the bar for success... I think at year 4 of McDavid the playoffs should be a given and missing them should be a travesty.

Agree on Jones, he seems to be improving each game and I felt bad that he got his first goal in a game where celebrating at all would have looked stupid.

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shoop wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 20:44

PlusOne wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 01:25

Are you forgetting your own posts now?

shoop wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018

Can anyone name a defenceman who has played better for the Oilers since Chris Pronger other than Larsson?





Not at all.

I clarified my position on that post when someone brought up Sekera. The one really good season Sekera, 2016-17, with the Oilers is better than any individual season Larsson has had with the Oilers (or any Oilers defenceman has had since Pronger). Over the length of their time with the Oilers I think Larsson has been better than Sekera.

What am I forgetting?


You are forgetting the part you cut out of what I quoted where you said this
"This is a thread on Chia keeping his job. Not sure how Petry is relevant when Chia was GM of the Bruins at the time of the Petry to Montreal trade. "

You specifically asked for an example since Pronger then wrote off the example given. Anyway, no big deal, I was just messing around.

I think Klefbom is better than Larsson this year as well BTW.
Larsson seems to be slipping and looks flat out terrible since Klef got hurt

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Adam wrote on Sat, 15 December 2018 11:32

Not sure why you're worried g2k - Chia's a genius.

Just ask Terry Jones:

https://edmontonsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oilers/jo nes-hes-baaaaack-edmonton-oilers-gm-peter-chiarelli-looking- like-the-resident-genius?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=So cial&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1544879025

So embarrassing the depths these guys will sink to.

And now the Cult of Hockey is falling in line too:

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey /why-im-ok-with-bob-nicholsons-line-in-the-sand-for-peter-ch iarelli



Terry Jones flip-flopping today.

https://edmontonsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oilers/jo nes-edmonton-oilers-best-two-players-should-call-out-managem ent?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=T witter#Echobox=1546133378

Apparently the genius was short-lived. We need new media guys too. #FireTerryJones

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shoop wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 18:57


A big part for me is that Chiarelli really does have the Oilers on an upward trajectory. He inherited a really mixed back. McDavid was obviously the best part of what he walked into, but the farm system was horrible and there were serious problems with the core. Making the playoffs this year is something we had a real shot at a couple weeks ago. Now? Not so much.



The trajectory part is where we disagree.

Standings points are great, and the Oilers still have a shot at making the playoffs. But even if they do, I don't think they're on any kind of upward trajectory.

In 17/18, the Oilers scored 234GF and gave up 263GA, for a goal differential of -29.

After today's debacle, they are on pace to score 233GF and give up 263GA, for a goal differential of -30.

And this is with McDavid on pace to score 45 goals and 121 points, Draisaitl on pace to score 41 goals and 101 points and RNH on pace for 28 goals and 73 points. The rest of the roster is contributing significantly less than last year.

If the Oilers continue on their current pace and end the season -30, there's no chance they make the playoffs. Heck, even if they break even the rest of the season and finish -14, I don't think there's much chance they make the playoffs.

I'm not sure where the goals are going to come from to score more goals than they're currently on pace for. The top 3 are pretty much maxed out. And the rest of the roster is not very good. So their only chance is to allow less. Maybe Koskinen can return to being a .970 goalie at home. Or maybe Talbot rediscovers his Vezina calibre form from a couple of years ago. I'm not sold on either one happening. And yes, the defence will improve with the return of Russell and especially Klefbom. But I still don't think that group is good enough.

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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PlusOne wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 05:38

You are forgetting the part you cut out of what I quoted where you said this
"This is a thread on Chia keeping his job. Not sure how Petry is relevant when Chia was GM of the Bruins at the time of the Petry to Montreal trade. "

You specifically asked for an example since Pronger then wrote off the example given. Anyway, no big deal, I was just messing around.


My bad. By asking about the best defencemen the Oilers have had since Pronger, I meant best D as an Oiler.

Petry and even Jultz may have been better in their time with other teams than Larsson has been in his time with the Oilers. Probably have been tbh. I just don't follow them now that they aren't on the team. Don't want to fuel my own bitterness towards the OBC.

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I would argue Souray was the best D since Pronger, but we all know how that turned out.

In fairness to Hall, I've wanted to throw a waterbottle at Eakins all season.
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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 01:51

I'm finding that Larsson is absolutely terrible at predicting what Nurse is going to do. Not sure what the deal is. It's certainly not easy, because Nurse can be extremely chaotic in our zone and is constantly losing his checks and running out of position still (do something about it Hitch, please!). Larsson doesn't seem able to help matters much though. It's just a bad pair so far. Russell seems like a way better parter for NUrse, much more aware defensively and able to do a decent job of covering for Nurse.

Could just be too much ice time though. Nurse is playing way too much, Larsson too.


Yeah. Larsson and Nurse don't mesh very well.

Larsson is ideally a 2D and Nurse just isn't a top pairing guy.

The D is still pretty gross when Russell gets back, but it will be better.

I'd like to see Russell and Nurse together, but who do you play with Larsson?

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shoop wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 12:36

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 01:51

I'm finding that Larsson is absolutely terrible at predicting what Nurse is going to do. Not sure what the deal is. It's certainly not easy, because Nurse can be extremely chaotic in our zone and is constantly losing his checks and running out of position still (do something about it Hitch, please!). Larsson doesn't seem able to help matters much though. It's just a bad pair so far. Russell seems like a way better parter for NUrse, much more aware defensively and able to do a decent job of covering for Nurse.

Could just be too much ice time though. Nurse is playing way too much, Larsson too.


Yeah. Larsson and Nurse don't mesh very well.

Larsson is ideally a 2D and Nurse just isn't a top pairing guy.

The D is still pretty gross when Russell gets back, but it will be better.

I'd like to see Russell and Nurse together, but who do you play with Larsson?


It would probably have to be Gravel right now. Might have to just do it. Larsson+Nurse is not good. So at least you maybe get a decent pair with Nurse-Russell, and hope Larsson can mesh with Gravel. If you're super desperate, I guess you can throw Jones into the fire :)


Edit: oh, missed the D pairs from practice. I guess Jones into the fire it is! lol

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....playoffs preserving Chiarelli's job is looking less likely every day...according to this site 23.1% chance the Oilers make the playoffs and plunging fast...and this was BEFORE today's destructive trades took place...

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Western/Pacific/Edmonton. html

....should be a fun game for someone when the Oilers host the Jets New Year's Eve....


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GabbyDugan wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 17:54

....playoffs preserving Chiarelli's job is looking less likely every day...according to this site 23.1% chance the Oilers make the playoffs and plunging fast...and this was BEFORE today's destructive trades took place...

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Western/Pacific/Edmonton. html

....should be a fun game for someone when the Oilers host the Jets New Year's Eve....



Chia still has lots of 1st and 2nd round picks to use to try to save his job. Might have to use some to free cap space though.

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Holy hell

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Point totals for everyone on the team except the top 5 scorers 😂😂😂

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Would have been easy to guess we were at the bottom, but the numbers add a lot to how bad it really is.

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Jason Gregor states Chiarelli "has failed"....

https://oilersnation.com/2018/12/31/gdb-game-notes-peter-chi arelli-has-done-the-impossible-with-edmonton-oilers/


..."This isn’t the players’ fault. The GM’s job is to build the roster and make the team competitive. The results are proof Chiarelli has failed."...

....Gregor is pretty close to Main Stream Media in Edmonton, although he occasionally has avoided being just another Oiler mouthpiece.....here's hoping the rest of the local scribes and talking heads have finally seen what has been obvious to most people that regularly post here at oilfans.com for some time....


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GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 16:22

Jason Gregor states Chiarelli "has failed"....

..."This isn’t the players’ fault. The GM’s job is to build the roster and make the team competitive. The results are proof Chiarelli has failed."...

....Gregor is pretty close to Main Stream Media in Edmonton, although he occasionally has avoided being just another Oiler mouthpiece.....here's hoping the rest of the local scribes and talking heads have finally seen what has been obvious to most people that regularly post here at oilfans.com for some time....


The last five games Gregor is correct.

If the Oilers get four points or less in their next five games then Chia is probably gone before the Florida game on the 10th. If turn in even a 3-2 record over those five games Chia probably saves his job to the end of the season.

Making the playoffs this season earns Chia the opportunity to finish his contract.

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Chiarelli’s got a presser this morning. This could rival the famous Lowe/MacTavish one if a couple of the other reporters follow Gregor’s lead...

Here’s hoping they have the courage to actually do their jobs today...

It’s at 10:30 am. I am tied up so hopefully someone can provide some snapshots and commentary!

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shoop wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 09:33

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 16:22

Jason Gregor states Chiarelli "has failed"....

..."This isn’t the players’ fault. The GM’s job is to build the roster and make the team competitive. The results are proof Chiarelli has failed."...

....Gregor is pretty close to Main Stream Media in Edmonton, although he occasionally has avoided being just another Oiler mouthpiece.....here's hoping the rest of the local scribes and talking heads have finally seen what has been obvious to most people that regularly post here at oilfans.com for some time....


The last five games Gregor is correct.

If the Oilers get four points or less in their next five games then Chia is probably gone before the Florida game on the 10th. If turn in even a 3-2 record over those five games Chia probably saves his job to the end of the season.

Making the playoffs this season earns Chia the opportunity to finish his contract.


You don’t reward inadequacy. Chia should have been fired long ago. No five game segment should determine the fate of a GM or coach.

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Adam wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 09:46

Chiarelli’s got a presser this morning. This could rival the famous Lowe/MacTavish one if a couple of the other reporters follow Gregor’s lead...

Here’s hoping they have the courage to actually do their jobs today...

It’s at 10:30 am. I am tied up so hopefully someone can provide some snapshots and commentary!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4boYqPDKlys

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I just watched the presser.

That was pretty intense. I don't think I've ever seen a guy so nervous under scrutiny (deservedly so).

He threw Caggiula under the bus, which was sad. Like it or not, you don't throw a guy under the bus once they've been shipped off to another team.

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Shad1216 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 10:56

I just watched the presser.

That was pretty intense. I don't think I've ever seen a guy so nervous under scrutiny (deservedly so).

He threw Caggiula under the bus, which was sad. Like it or not, you don't throw a guy under the bus once they've been shipped off to another team.

They may be back someday.


What did he say about the Drake? Missed that part.

I did hear the part about how Manning isn't sexy (neither is Petrovic) and he should bring more offense here than he's showed lately. Feel like I heard that before from Chia.

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 12:21

Shad1216 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 10:56

I just watched the presser.

That was pretty intense. I don't think I've ever seen a guy so nervous under scrutiny (deservedly so).

He threw Caggiula under the bus, which was sad. Like it or not, you don't throw a guy under the bus once they've been shipped off to another team.

They may be back someday.


What did he say about the Drake? Missed that part.

I did hear the part about how Manning isn't sexy (neither is Petrovic) and he should bring more offense here than he's showed lately. Feel like I heard that before from Chia.


I just started watching it but "these arent top 4 defenders we have brought in but they will shore up the D"

Stock pile those bottom pairing D, we need a lot of those for sure

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PlusOne wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 11:23

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 12:21

Shad1216 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 10:56

I just watched the presser.

That was pretty intense. I don't think I've ever seen a guy so nervous under scrutiny (deservedly so).

He threw Caggiula under the bus, which was sad. Like it or not, you don't throw a guy under the bus once they've been shipped off to another team.

They may be back someday.


What did he say about the Drake? Missed that part.

I did hear the part about how Manning isn't sexy (neither is Petrovic) and he should bring more offense here than he's showed lately. Feel like I heard that before from Chia.


I just started watching it but "these arent top 4 defenders we have brought in but they will shore up the D"

Stock pile those bottom pairing D, we need a lot of those for sure


I love how he revealed he was trying to get Manning last year and that is when he got McDavid's permission to trade for him. Manning was mediocre last year, a 3rd pairing D I'd concede, but he's an AHler this year. Did we forget to update the scouting report?

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 11:21

Shad1216 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 10:56

I just watched the presser.

That was pretty intense. I don't think I've ever seen a guy so nervous under scrutiny (deservedly so).

He threw Caggiula under the bus, which was sad. Like it or not, you don't throw a guy under the bus once they've been shipped off to another team.

They may be back someday.


What did he say about the Drake? Missed that part.

I did hear the part about how Manning isn't sexy (neither is Petrovic) and he should bring more offense here than he's showed lately. Feel like I heard that before from Chia.

YEP! Just another clear cut example of Oiler management banking on "hope" that a change of scenery will "magically" bring career year out of a midling player.

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 11:28

PlusOne wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 11:23

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 12:21

Shad1216 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 10:56

I just watched the presser.

That was pretty intense. I don't think I've ever seen a guy so nervous under scrutiny (deservedly so).

He threw Caggiula under the bus, which was sad. Like it or not, you don't throw a guy under the bus once they've been shipped off to another team.

They may be back someday.


What did he say about the Drake? Missed that part.

I did hear the part about how Manning isn't sexy (neither is Petrovic) and he should bring more offense here than he's showed lately. Feel like I heard that before from Chia.


I just started watching it but "these arent top 4 defenders we have brought in but they will shore up the D"

Stock pile those bottom pairing D, we need a lot of those for sure


I love how he revealed he was trying to get Manning last year and that is when he got McDavid's permission to trade for him. Manning was mediocre last year, a 3rd pairing D I'd concede, but he's an AHler this year. Did we forget to update the scouting report?

Peter was likely afraid to ask McDavid a year later in fear of 97 saying, "You know what Pete? Just don't make any moves anymore.."

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 31 December 2018 18:21

What did he say about the Drake? Missed that part.


Question "To throw Drake into the deal was that difficult for you?"

Chia "Any time you make a trade for a player that you have time for, like Drake, it's difficult. We felt that we wanted to work from the backend out right now with this problem. We feel that it's incumbent on the other players to pick up the slack."

I did like Chia's commitment to Puljujarvi. Essentially it was Puljujarvi can do produced offensively in the AHL so now he needs to do it at the NHL level.

As a general impression, Chia definitely sounds like a guy who gets that he needs to make the playoffs (at a minimum) to keep his job. It also felt like these trades were in large part were a big wake the eff up tot he team.

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From Friedman’s latest 31 thoughts;

10. Three of the players involved in Edmonton’s two Sunday trades — Brandon Manning, Alex Petrovic and Chris Wideman — were subjects of recent emails on the general managers’ trade chain.

When GM Peter Chiarelli says they made these moves with the health of their defence in mind, that says they don’t think they will get much from Andrej Sekera. Surprised they would trade Drake Caggiula. He’s produced on a team that’s struggling to score, and while he may not be a giant, he competes hard. I’m also not convinced the Oilers are finished making moves. There’s a lot at stake. Jesse Puljujarvi’s future is uncertain.

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 19:38

From Friedman’s latest 31 thoughts;

10. Three of the players involved in Edmonton’s two Sunday trades — Brandon Manning, Alex Petrovic and Chris Wideman — were subjects of recent emails on the general managers’ trade chain.

When GM Peter Chiarelli says they made these moves with the health of their defence in mind, that says they don’t think they will get much from Andrej Sekera. Surprised they would trade Drake Caggiula. He’s produced on a team that’s struggling to score, and while he may not be a giant, he competes hard. I’m also not convinced the Oilers are finished making moves. There’s a lot at stake. Jesse Puljujarvi’s future is uncertain.




One of my worries lately has been Hitch only talking up and working with Pulju to help get him traded.

Fans of other teams he's coached say he's done that before, talk up young guys like crazy as they are treading water until they are moved.

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 20:40

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 19:38

From Friedman’s latest 31 thoughts;

10. Three of the players involved in Edmonton’s two Sunday trades — Brandon Manning, Alex Petrovic and Chris Wideman — were subjects of recent emails on the general managers’ trade chain.

When GM Peter Chiarelli says they made these moves with the health of their defence in mind, that says they don’t think they will get much from Andrej Sekera. Surprised they would trade Drake Caggiula. He’s produced on a team that’s struggling to score, and while he may not be a giant, he competes hard. I’m also not convinced the Oilers are finished making moves. There’s a lot at stake. Jesse Puljujarvi’s future is uncertain.




One of my worries lately has been Hitch only talking up and working with Pulju to help get him traded.

Fans of other teams he's coached say he's done that before, talk up young guys like crazy as they are treading water until they are moved.


I have this same fear. Coupled with Pete’s ‘get to the playoffs or I’m out of a job’ mentality, it’s a definite possibility too.

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 19:48

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 20:40

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 19:38

From Friedman’s latest 31 thoughts;

10. Three of the players involved in Edmonton’s two Sunday trades — Brandon Manning, Alex Petrovic and Chris Wideman — were subjects of recent emails on the general managers’ trade chain.

When GM Peter Chiarelli says they made these moves with the health of their defence in mind, that says they don’t think they will get much from Andrej Sekera. Surprised they would trade Drake Caggiula. He’s produced on a team that’s struggling to score, and while he may not be a giant, he competes hard. I’m also not convinced the Oilers are finished making moves. There’s a lot at stake. Jesse Puljujarvi’s future is uncertain.




One of my worries lately has been Hitch only talking up and working with Pulju to help get him traded.

Fans of other teams he's coached say he's done that before, talk up young guys like crazy as they are treading water until they are moved.


I have this same fear. Coupled with Pete’s ‘get to the playoffs or I’m out of a job’ mentality, it’s a definite possibility too.


I'm not even completely against the idea of trading Puljujarvi if the return was right. It isn't certain he's going to live up to his potential, and if you got a big enough offer with something coming back that was a little more certain, even if the ceiling wasn't quite so high, then maybe it's worth doing.

But I don't trust the current GM to make that assessment, and get something worth getting. Pretty incredible to already hear rumblings that the Oilers might buy out Spooner this summer...Eberle may only be on pace for a 40 point season this year, but that's still a hell of a lot better than a buyout.

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Adam wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 21:41

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 19:48

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 20:40

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 19:38

From Friedman’s latest 31 thoughts;

10. Three of the players involved in Edmonton’s two Sunday trades — Brandon Manning, Alex Petrovic and Chris Wideman — were subjects of recent emails on the general managers’ trade chain.

When GM Peter Chiarelli says they made these moves with the health of their defence in mind, that says they don’t think they will get much from Andrej Sekera. Surprised they would trade Drake Caggiula. He’s produced on a team that’s struggling to score, and while he may not be a giant, he competes hard. I’m also not convinced the Oilers are finished making moves. There’s a lot at stake. Jesse Puljujarvi’s future is uncertain.




One of my worries lately has been Hitch only talking up and working with Pulju to help get him traded.

Fans of other teams he's coached say he's done that before, talk up young guys like crazy as they are treading water until they are moved.


I have this same fear. Coupled with Pete’s ‘get to the playoffs or I’m out of a job’ mentality, it’s a definite possibility too.


I'm not even completely against the idea of trading Puljujarvi if the return was right. It isn't certain he's going to live up to his potential, and if you got a big enough offer with something coming back that was a little more certain, even if the ceiling wasn't quite so high, then maybe it's worth doing.

But I don't trust the current GM to make that assessment, and get something worth getting. Pretty incredible to already hear rumblings that the Oilers might buy out Spooner this summer...Eberle may only be on pace for a 40 point season this year, but that's still a hell of a lot better than a buyout.


So we could turn a 6M guy turning UFA this year into a buyout that lasts for the next 2 years.

That's some amazing asset management.

Spooners 1.33M/season the next 2 years is a perfect match with Pouliot's 1.33M. Next year would be 3M of cap hit from buyouts. Assuming we don't buy Lucic out too.

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Adam wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 22:41

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 19:48

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 20:40

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 19:38

From Friedman’s latest 31 thoughts;

10. Three of the players involved in Edmonton’s two Sunday trades — Brandon Manning, Alex Petrovic and Chris Wideman — were subjects of recent emails on the general managers’ trade chain.

When GM Peter Chiarelli says they made these moves with the health of their defence in mind, that says they don’t think they will get much from Andrej Sekera. Surprised they would trade Drake Caggiula. He’s produced on a team that’s struggling to score, and while he may not be a giant, he competes hard. I’m also not convinced the Oilers are finished making moves. There’s a lot at stake. Jesse Puljujarvi’s future is uncertain.




One of my worries lately has been Hitch only talking up and working with Pulju to help get him traded.

Fans of other teams he's coached say he's done that before, talk up young guys like crazy as they are treading water until they are moved.


I have this same fear. Coupled with Pete’s ‘get to the playoffs or I’m out of a job’ mentality, it’s a definite possibility too.


I'm not even completely against the idea of trading Puljujarvi if the return was right. It isn't certain he's going to live up to his potential, and if you got a big enough offer with something coming back that was a little more certain, even if the ceiling wasn't quite so high, then maybe it's worth doing.

But I don't trust the current GM to make that assessment, and get something worth getting. Pretty incredible to already hear rumblings that the Oilers might buy out Spooner this summer...Eberle may only be on pace for a 40 point season this year, but that's still a hell of a lot better than a buyout.


That’s the problem, Pistol Pete holding the card currently. It’ll be a miracle to move him, it’s just crazy. Eberle on the IR is more effective than Spooner. icon_biggrin


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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 22:47

Adam wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 21:41

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 19:48

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 20:40

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 19:38

From Friedman’s latest 31 thoughts;

10. Three of the players involved in Edmonton’s two Sunday trades — Brandon Manning, Alex Petrovic and Chris Wideman — were subjects of recent emails on the general managers’ trade chain.

When GM Peter Chiarelli says they made these moves with the health of their defence in mind, that says they don’t think they will get much from Andrej Sekera. Surprised they would trade Drake Caggiula. He’s produced on a team that’s struggling to score, and while he may not be a giant, he competes hard. I’m also not convinced the Oilers are finished making moves. There’s a lot at stake. Jesse Puljujarvi’s future is uncertain.




One of my worries lately has been Hitch only talking up and working with Pulju to help get him traded.

Fans of other teams he's coached say he's done that before, talk up young guys like crazy as they are treading water until they are moved.


I have this same fear. Coupled with Pete’s ‘get to the playoffs or I’m out of a job’ mentality, it’s a definite possibility too.


I'm not even completely against the idea of trading Puljujarvi if the return was right. It isn't certain he's going to live up to his potential, and if you got a big enough offer with something coming back that was a little more certain, even if the ceiling wasn't quite so high, then maybe it's worth doing.

But I don't trust the current GM to make that assessment, and get something worth getting. Pretty incredible to already hear rumblings that the Oilers might buy out Spooner this summer...Eberle may only be on pace for a 40 point season this year, but that's still a hell of a lot better than a buyout.


So we could turn a 6M guy turning UFA this year into a buyout that lasts for the next 2 years.

That's some amazing asset management.

Spooners 1.33M/season the next 2 years is a perfect match with Pouliot's 1.33M. Next year would be 3M of cap hit from buyouts. Assuming we don't buy Lucic out too.


Maybe that’s the plan. Bring back Eberle as a UFA.

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 18:48

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 20:40

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 19:38

From Friedman’s latest 31 thoughts;

10. Three of the players involved in Edmonton’s two Sunday trades — Brandon Manning, Alex Petrovic and Chris Wideman — were subjects of recent emails on the general managers’ trade chain.

When GM Peter Chiarelli says they made these moves with the health of their defence in mind, that says they don’t think they will get much from Andrej Sekera. Surprised they would trade Drake Caggiula. He’s produced on a team that’s struggling to score, and while he may not be a giant, he competes hard. I’m also not convinced the Oilers are finished making moves. There’s a lot at stake. Jesse Puljujarvi’s future is uncertain.




One of my worries lately has been Hitch only talking up and working with Pulju to help get him traded.

Fans of other teams he's coached say he's done that before, talk up young guys like crazy as they are treading water until they are moved.


I have this same fear. Coupled with Pete’s ‘get to the playoffs or I’m out of a job’ mentality, it’s a definite possibility too.

Pull your R.V. is going to Carolina for a d-man. Book it.

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Xombie wrote on Thu, 03 January 2019 12:22

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 18:48

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 20:40

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 19:38

From Friedman’s latest 31 thoughts;

10. Three of the players involved in Edmonton’s two Sunday trades — Brandon Manning, Alex Petrovic and Chris Wideman — were subjects of recent emails on the general managers’ trade chain.

When GM Peter Chiarelli says they made these moves with the health of their defence in mind, that says they don’t think they will get much from Andrej Sekera. Surprised they would trade Drake Caggiula. He’s produced on a team that’s struggling to score, and while he may not be a giant, he competes hard. I’m also not convinced the Oilers are finished making moves. There’s a lot at stake. Jesse Puljujarvi’s future is uncertain.




One of my worries lately has been Hitch only talking up and working with Pulju to help get him traded.

Fans of other teams he's coached say he's done that before, talk up young guys like crazy as they are treading water until they are moved.


I have this same fear. Coupled with Pete’s ‘get to the playoffs or I’m out of a job’ mentality, it’s a definite possibility too.

Pull your R.V. is going to Carolina for a d-man. Book it.

I trust the man to trade scoring for defense. Definitely.

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 Re: "Playoffs preserve Chia's Job" - Nicholson [message #726467 is a reply to message #726462 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 03 January 2019 13:13

Xombie wrote on Thu, 03 January 2019 12:22

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 18:48

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 20:40

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 19:38

From Friedman’s latest 31 thoughts;

10. Three of the players involved in Edmonton’s two Sunday trades — Brandon Manning, Alex Petrovic and Chris Wideman — were subjects of recent emails on the general managers’ trade chain.

When GM Peter Chiarelli says they made these moves with the health of their defence in mind, that says they don’t think they will get much from Andrej Sekera. Surprised they would trade Drake Caggiula. He’s produced on a team that’s struggling to score, and while he may not be a giant, he competes hard. I’m also not convinced the Oilers are finished making moves. There’s a lot at stake. Jesse Puljujarvi’s future is uncertain.




One of my worries lately has been Hitch only talking up and working with Pulju to help get him traded.

Fans of other teams he's coached say he's done that before, talk up young guys like crazy as they are treading water until they are moved.


I have this same fear. Coupled with Pete’s ‘get to the playoffs or I’m out of a job’ mentality, it’s a definite possibility too.

Pull your R.V. is going to Carolina for a d-man. Book it.

I trust the man to trade scoring for defense. Definitely.


Who's getting healthy scratched in Carolina that we'd take a flyer on?

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 Re: "Playoffs preserve Chia's Job" - Nicholson [message #726475 is a reply to message #726404 ]
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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 03 January 2019 02:38

Surprised they would trade Drake Caggiula. He’s produced on a team that’s struggling to score, and while he may not be a giant, he competes hard.


Friedman should learn to use quotes around "produced" when talking about a guy on a 22 point pace ... 29 if he gets the visa straightened out, isn't scratched and is healthy the rest of the season.

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Which I must add is still more production then 80 % of the players Chia pet brought in

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