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 Re: McLellan Out. Hitchcock In. [message #722830 is a reply to message #722828 ]
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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:06

After listening to Hitch talk I'm actually looking forward to see the show unfold, its going to be entertaining to say the least!

If all he does is force players to finish their freaking checks.. I'll be happy.


So will he turn McDavid in to a 75 point two way player! Worked with Modano, right?

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Adam wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 14:06

Has anyone checked on Jay Woodcroft since this came out. He’ll be devastated!


Actually I'd say he's relieved he's in Baker.. has a nice AHL gig that's going well .. if he can get some prospects turning out .. he might have a job for a while..

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Adam wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 14:07

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:06

After listening to Hitch talk I'm actually looking forward to see the show unfold, its going to be entertaining to say the least!

If all he does is force players to finish their freaking checks.. I'll be happy.


So will he turn McDavid in to a 75 point two way player! Worked with Modano, right?


No 175 point! He's already playing two way..

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:09

Adam wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 14:07

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:06

After listening to Hitch talk I'm actually looking forward to see the show unfold, its going to be entertaining to say the least!

If all he does is force players to finish their freaking checks.. I'll be happy.


So will he turn McDavid in to a 75 point two way player! Worked with Modano, right?


No 175 point! He's already playing two way..



He’s back-checking, could even be considered a two-way player by some, but is he a “Hitchcock two-way player”. Hitch put shackles on Modano, Hull, Nash...I’m not sure I’m excited to see how he tries to mould #97’s game...

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 Re: McLellan Out. Hitchcock In. [message #722835 is a reply to message #722834 ]
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Adam wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:14

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:09

Adam wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 14:07

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:06

After listening to Hitch talk I'm actually looking forward to see the show unfold, its going to be entertaining to say the least!

If all he does is force players to finish their freaking checks.. I'll be happy.


So will he turn McDavid in to a 75 point two way player! Worked with Modano, right?


No 175 point! He's already playing two way..



He’s back-checking, could even be considered a two-way player by some, but is he a “Hitchcock two-way player”. Hitch put shackles on Modano, Hull, Nash...I’m not sure I’m excited to see how he tries to mould #97’s game...


They haven't even played. I'd have 2 thoughts on this....1) give it 15 games and draw a conclusion then and 2) I don't give a damn as long as the team wins, as Modano & Hull did when Hitchcock 'shackled' them.

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Adam wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:14

He’s back-checking, could even be considered a two-way player by some, but is he a “Hitchcock two-way player”. Hitch put shackles on Modano, Hull, Nash...I’m not sure I’m excited to see how he tries to mould #97’s game...

Modano becoming a better 2-way player under Hitch has been cited as one of the reasons they won the Cup under his tenure as coach, so I don't know that making Connor more responsible in his own end would necessarily hurt the team. That said, Connor is an eagle that should be allowed to soar free, so it's possible that Hitch may adjust his system to allow him to free-wheel whenever he's on the ice.

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This made me cry laughing... thanks for that icon_thumbsup icon_thumbsup

McLellan lost the team last year IMO, and hiring new assistant coaches was clearly not going to fix that. Hitch has a good track record and respect around the league. I might just be back on the kool-aid though....

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Adam wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 14:14

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:09

Adam wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 14:07

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:06

After listening to Hitch talk I'm actually looking forward to see the show unfold, its going to be entertaining to say the least!

If all he does is force players to finish their freaking checks.. I'll be happy.


So will he turn McDavid in to a 75 point two way player! Worked with Modano, right?


No 175 point! He's already playing two way..



He’s back-checking, could even be considered a two-way player by some, but is he a “Hitchcock two-way player”. Hitch put shackles on Modano, Hull, Nash...I’m not sure I’m excited to see how he tries to mould #97’s game...


Man, before Hitch Modano was so NOT playing like McDavid does, Modano was all about goals for, he would get an allergic rash whenever he ventured into his own zone.. McDavid knows how to play defensive hockey, and Hitch is smart enough to let him maximize his offensive potential. I'm not worried about McD. I expect our defensive zone will have to change the most to suit Hitch, I expect fly-by, stick-swing forechecks, will be frowned upon.

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shootsaverebound wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:33

This made me cry laughing... thanks for that icon_thumbsup icon_thumbsup

McLellan lost the team last year IMO, and hiring new assistant coaches was clearly not going to fix that. Hitch has a good track record and respect around the league. I might just be back on the kool-aid though....

The scuttlebutt from the team was that TMac was not letting his new assistants do their job, particularly Vivieros on the PP, hence their continued failure this season so far. If so, then that alone was reason to see TMac gone, if more reasons were actually needed.

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Ragnarok73 wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:44

shootsaverebound wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:33

This made me cry laughing... thanks for that icon_thumbsup icon_thumbsup

McLellan lost the team last year IMO, and hiring new assistant coaches was clearly not going to fix that. Hitch has a good track record and respect around the league. I might just be back on the kool-aid though....

The scuttlebutt from the team was that TMac was not letting his new assistants do their job, particularly Vivieros on the PP, hence their continued failure this season so far. If so, then that alone was reason to see TMac gone, if more reasons were actually needed.


The power play not being fixed made everyone aware who/what the cause of the problem was with the power play. It seems odd that Todd wouldn't have stepped back and let someone else help.

Woodcroft vindicated?

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Magnum wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:47

Ragnarok73 wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:44

shootsaverebound wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:33

This made me cry laughing... thanks for that icon_thumbsup icon_thumbsup

McLellan lost the team last year IMO, and hiring new assistant coaches was clearly not going to fix that. Hitch has a good track record and respect around the league. I might just be back on the kool-aid though....

The scuttlebutt from the team was that TMac was not letting his new assistants do their job, particularly Vivieros on the PP, hence their continued failure this season so far. If so, then that alone was reason to see TMac gone, if more reasons were actually needed.


The power play not being fixed made everyone aware who/what the cause of the problem was with the power play. It seems odd that Todd wouldn't have stepped back and let someone else help.

Woodcroft vindicated?

Nope! The belief that only one person can be to blame is faulty. They both sucked.

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Magnum wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:47

Ragnarok73 wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:44

shootsaverebound wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:33

This made me cry laughing... thanks for that icon_thumbsup icon_thumbsup

McLellan lost the team last year IMO, and hiring new assistant coaches was clearly not going to fix that. Hitch has a good track record and respect around the league. I might just be back on the kool-aid though....

The scuttlebutt from the team was that TMac was not letting his new assistants do their job, particularly Vivieros on the PP, hence their continued failure this season so far. If so, then that alone was reason to see TMac gone, if more reasons were actually needed.


The power play not being fixed made everyone aware who/what the cause of the problem was with the power play. It seems odd that Todd wouldn't have stepped back and let someone else help.

Woodcroft vindicated?

Not if Jay was the guy who created the system they currently use and fail with. Viveiros could turn out to be the savior of the team's PP if Hitch lets him actually do his job. I suspect Hitch will mainly because he himself will be far too busy working on improving the team's defensive zone coverage to take pressure off Talbot and Koskinen, not to mention instilling the kind of work ethic his teams are generally known for.

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I think Hitch is closer to Torts than to McLellan these days.

Good article on his personal evolution as a coach

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ken-hitchcock-reinvented -final-years-career/

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One of the takeaways for Hitchcock was that athletes today are much, much harder on themselves than their predecessors. Every aspect of their existence is so heavily regimented — from diet and their physical conditioning to video sessions and practices—that it can all become a bit much. On a given day during that latter portion of his career, Hitchcock could wander into work and find a handful of his guys glued to screens watching their shifts from the night before. Players are almost all students of the game now and the best way to reach them is through detailed explanations, not enhanced decibel levels. Hitchcock tried to make his points direct and concise, believing brevity would help players turn the page on miscues, rather than letting mistakes become a mental drain.

“This is a (generation) that needs to move on quickly,” he said.

That’s why humour is another element Hitchcock incorporated in his teachings.

“It becomes, ‘It’s not as bad as you think’,” he said of injecting the odd chuckle into coaching. “You bring that aspect into it and I think it increases the learning curve.”

Creating laughs is no problem for Hitchcock, who is universally acknowledged as a people person.

“Get him outside the rink and he’s a hoot,” said Roenick, who admitted his own flamboyant personality caused some clashes with Hitchcock, but added the two always shared a mutual respect. “You get him on a golf course and he’ll hold court. He’ll have people enthralled, laughing, just totally engaged in what he’s talking about. That’s a very hard trait to master.”


These are things McLellan hasn't figured out yet.

A recent Torts quote as well

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John Tortorella says the NHL has turned into a F-A-W league -- "find a way to win." He doesn't bother correcting every error now. "Holy crap it's just a game filled with mistakes."


Some coaches have learned you can't go insane on players now for every mistake. The key to success is playing faster and being willing to push that balance of risk/reward as far as you can take it, not trying to eliminate all risk at any cost.

Hitch's top offensive guys did fine in his last year coaching in Dallas. He let the kids do their thing, but he also dramatically decreased the shot quality Dallas allowed. Dallas just wasn't too good, and Spezza had a stinker season and they ended up 3 points out of a spot.

Not expecting Hitch to turn some crap into gold, but it would be nice to see these guys not looking like life is over after every mistake they make, and it would be nice to see something resembling an NHL quality structure and set play making in at least 1 zone of the ice.

And please fire one or all of Chia, MacT, Lowe or Howson please.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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Adam wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 18:06

Has anyone checked on Jay Woodcroft since this came out. He’ll be devastated!


Time to update your sig!

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 17:18

And please fire one or all of Chia, MacT, Lowe or Howson please.

Chia has now used his one "Get out of being fired for incompetence" card by replacing TMac with Hitch. If Hitch actually gets this team far, unfortunately it means that Chia will likely be sticking around. If the Hitch experiment fails, expect to see Chiapet kicked out on his ass at the end of the season.

In both scenarios, I do not see the OBC being shipped out. Sigh.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 14:41

So I get this image of Todd left at the curb with his bags calling an Uber while the bus pulls away for YEG...

Actually SFO.

I sure he won’t need an Uber in San Jose. Joe would give him a lift.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 15:06

After listening to Hitch talk I'm actually looking forward to see the show unfold, its going to be entertaining to say the least!

If all he does is force players to finish their freaking checks.. I'll be happy.

He even made me calm down.

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g2k wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 16:53

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 14:41

So I get this image of Todd left at the curb with his bags calling an Uber while the bus pulls away for YEG...

Actually SFO.

I sure he won’t need an Uber in San Jose. Joe would give him a lift.


Joe wasn't quick enough .. Drew was on it in a flash..

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Brodziak talking about the ass whoopin the players have coming with Hitch on the bench. I'm sold!

[Updated on: Tue, 20 November 2018 20:46]

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Looking forward to the Hitchcock-McDavid era.

http://stingerapps.com/oilers/HitchcockUndertaker.png

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So, I had a random thought.

Todd got let go in San Jose, with Hitchcock taking over from him.

Doesn't Todd's family still live in San Jose?

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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 12:21

Steve Yzerman left Tampa with odd timing. I'd put my best foot forward for him. Probably not going to happen with his family in Detroit.

Maybe Dean Lombardi? But he isn't without warts.

The Oilers might actually have to have an extensive talent recruitment process to get somebody good. But who does that?

The problem with the guys mentioned here is that they might be good at being a GM in the NHL or whatever but I'm not sure they possess the most important - and really the only - true requirement. Are they willing to stand in and be a puppet for Kevin Lowe and his buddies? Are they willing to make trades and major decisions based on their orde....I mean advise? and take the blame when it inevitably blows up in their faces? Do they have what it takes to accept a massive paycheque at the expense of sewering their credibility around the league? Also how many rings do they have? Do they even know about winning?

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stemhovlichski wrote on Tue, 20 November 2018 14:05

Hahahaha!!!!!!!!! Brilliant call.

https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/news/2000-nr-089-en



Good lord. Nope no nepotism here!

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I thought the "shackled" comment was funny so I looked it up.
Mike Modano
Year Games Goals Assists Points +/- PPG GPG APG Age
1989-90 80 29 46 75 -7 0.94 0.36 0.58 19
1990-91 79 28 36 64 2 0.81 0.35 0.46 20
1991-92 76 33 44 77 -9 1.01 0.43 0.58 21
1992-93 82 33 60 93 -7 1.13 0.40 0.73 22
1993-94 76 50 43 93 -8 1.22 0.66 0.57 23
1994-95 30 12 17 29 7 0.97 0.40 0.57 22
1995-96 78 36 45 81 -12 1.04 0.46 0.58 25 Hitch
1996-97 80 35 48 83 43 1.04 0.44 0.60 26 Hitch
1997-98 52 21 38 59 25 1.13 0.40 0.73 27 Hitch
1998-99 77 34 47 81 29 1.05 0.44 0.61 28 Hitch
1999-00 77 38 43 81 0 1.05 0.49 0.56 29 Hitch
2000-01 81 33 51 84 26 1.04 0.41 0.63 30 Hitch
2001-02 78 34 43 77 14 0.99 0.44 0.55 31
2002-03 79 28 57 85 34 1.08 0.35 0.72 32
2003-04 76 14 30 44 -21 0.58 0.18 0.39 33
2005-06 78 27 50 77 23 0.99 0.35 0.64 35
2006-07 59 22 21 43 9 0.73 0.37 0.36 36
2007-08 82 21 36 57 -11 0.70 0.26 0.44 37
2008-09 80 15 31 46 -13 0.58 0.19 0.39 38
2009-10 59 14 16 30 -6 0.51 0.24 0.27 39
2010-11 40 4 11 15 -4 0.38 0.10 0.28 40
I'm not seeing much in the way of shackling the only thing that happened to Modano was that his team started scoring a lot more than they were getting scored on while he was on the ice. I'm even less worried about the McPoints now but looking forward to the McPlus/Minus.
For the record Hull was 34 when he went to Dallas and still put up some pretty good numbers and Nash's best year offensively in points per game came under Hitch.

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Hitch had an interview (yesterday pregame?) where he said defensively without the puck it’s his way or the highway, but with the puck on offence then he has ideas but let the players be more independent with what works for them. Which entirely sounds cool to me, and our defence (fwds and defs) have been an uncoordinated mess, often looking like one guy’s fault because of a lack of support structure.

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nullterm wrote on Fri, 23 November 2018 10:40

Hitch had an interview (yesterday pregame?) where he said defensively without the puck it’s his way or the highway, but with the puck on offence then he has ideas but let the players be more independent with what works for them. Which entirely sounds cool to me, and our defence (fwds and defs) have been an uncoordinated mess, often looking like one guy’s fault because of a lack of support structure.


That has always annoyed me with this team. I don't get why after 3+ years with McLellan these guys all still look like they have no idea where to go and where to send pucks in their own zone. I know hockey has a lot of randomness, but come on, Lemaire could make a bunch of plugs all look like they knew what they were doing in their own end, in the neutral zone, basically anywhere without the puck they all looked like they had a job to do and were doing something useful. We just kept having a totally uncoordinated mess. Guys making the exact same mistakes over and over (freakin Lucic just inside out blueline!!! AHH).

I personally always wished Hitch would come here. I have been craving seeing if my team could look like their players had a clue without the puck. I just want to see it once. Like something to scratch off the bucket list. Can I see the Oilers players look like they all know what they're supposed to be doing without the puck for a stretch of time, something useful? I badly want to see it. Hope it's possible.

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oilerfan79 wrote on Fri, 23 November 2018 10:16

I thought the "shackled" comment was funny so I looked it up.
Mike Modano
Year Games Goals Assists Points +/- PPG GPG APG Age
1989-90 80 29 46 75 -7 0.94 0.36 0.58 19
1990-91 79 28 36 64 2 0.81 0.35 0.46 20
1991-92 76 33 44 77 -9 1.01 0.43 0.58 21
1992-93 82 33 60 93 -7 1.13 0.40 0.73 22
1993-94 76 50 43 93 -8 1.22 0.66 0.57 23
1994-95 30 12 17 29 7 0.97 0.40 0.57 22
1995-96 78 36 45 81 -12 1.04 0.46 0.58 25 Hitch
1996-97 80 35 48 83 43 1.04 0.44 0.60 26 Hitch
1997-98 52 21 38 59 25 1.13 0.40 0.73 27 Hitch
1998-99 77 34 47 81 29 1.05 0.44 0.61 28 Hitch
1999-00 77 38 43 81 0 1.05 0.49 0.56 29 Hitch
2000-01 81 33 51 84 26 1.04 0.41 0.63 30 Hitch
2001-02 78 34 43 77 14 0.99 0.44 0.55 31
2002-03 79 28 57 85 34 1.08 0.35 0.72 32
2003-04 76 14 30 44 -21 0.58 0.18 0.39 33
2005-06 78 27 50 77 23 0.99 0.35 0.64 35
2006-07 59 22 21 43 9 0.73 0.37 0.36 36
2007-08 82 21 36 57 -11 0.70 0.26 0.44 37
2008-09 80 15 31 46 -13 0.58 0.19 0.39 38
2009-10 59 14 16 30 -6 0.51 0.24 0.27 39
2010-11 40 4 11 15 -4 0.38 0.10 0.28 40
I'm not seeing much in the way of shackling the only thing that happened to Modano was that his team started scoring a lot more than they were getting scored on while he was on the ice. I'm even less worried about the McPoints now but looking forward to the McPlus/Minus.
For the record Hull was 34 when he went to Dallas and still put up some pretty good numbers and Nash's best year offensively in points per game came under Hitch.


Last season Benn had 36 goals, 79 pts in 82 games and Seguin had 40 goals, 78 pts in 82 games. So pretty much a point per game for both and right in where they have been scoring for years before he got there. Seguin scored a career high in goals so I am not seeing where he took away offense from the top guys.


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I neat video using some proprietary stats that some media guys that are able to share (Mike Kelly being one of them)

https://www.tsn.ca/video/statscentre-the-hitch-effect~155922 7

Using our tiny Hitch sample size so far.

The summary of numbers:
McLellan: 28th place at forcing other teams to dump in pucks
Hitch: 1st place at forcing other teams to dump in

McLellan: 25th place at retrieving opposition dump ins and successfully turning them into zone exits
Hitch: 1st at doing the above

Overall, 20% less time spent in the defensive zone defending opposition's possession under Hitch


We'll see if it holds hehe

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 07 December 2018 18:56

I neat video using some proprietary stats that some media guys that are able to share (Mike Kelly being one of them)

https://www.tsn.ca/video/statscentre-the-hitch-effect~155922 7

Using our tiny Hitch sample size so far.

The summary of numbers:
McLellan: 28th place at forcing other teams to dump in pucks
Hitch: 1st place at forcing other teams to dump in

McLellan: 25th place at retrieving opposition dump ins and successfully turning them into zone exits
Hitch: 1st at doing the above

Overall, 20% less time spent in the defensive zone defending opposition's possession under Hitch


We'll see if it holds hehe


Holy butt, that’s staggering. Not overly surprised seeing those numbers from the TMac era as it backs up what we all witnessed, the subject of many complaints around here. That large of a turnaround is just... wow. Thanks for sharing!

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 07 December 2018 17:56

I neat video using some proprietary stats that some media guys that are able to share (Mike Kelly being one of them)

https://www.tsn.ca/video/statscentre-the-hitch-effect~155922 7

Using our tiny Hitch sample size so far.

The summary of numbers:
McLellan: 28th place at forcing other teams to dump in pucks
Hitch: 1st place at forcing other teams to dump in

McLellan: 25th place at retrieving opposition dump ins and successfully turning them into zone exits
Hitch: 1st at doing the above

Overall, 20% less time spent in the defensive zone defending opposition's possession under Hitch


We'll see if it holds hehe


I'd love to see those stats for TMac's entire tenure here. Probably pretty ugly (looking at you, Kris Russell).

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If McLellan was here still, does anyone think he would have played Talbot another game before either January, or until Koskinen had a really bad run? I think McLellan was going to shelf him after that Vegas game.

Hitch went on a rant in his presser today about how you have to play your 2nd guy once every 1-2 weeks minimum so they keep a rhythm, and how he made a bad mistake in his past letting his backup go stale and when his starter was hurt, cold guy came in and it all went bad. That sounds like McLellan goalie handling :)

Funny how every Hitchcock presser, if you didn't know better you would think Hitch is taking little shots at McLellan. He's definitely not, but still funny as a fan that has been paying attention for the last few years.

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 10 December 2018 21:30

If McLellan was here still, does anyone think he would have played Talbot another game before either January, or until Koskinen had a really bad run? I think McLellan was going to shelf him after that Vegas game.

Hitch went on a rant in his presser today about how you have to play your 2nd guy once every 1-2 weeks minimum so they keep a rhythm, and how he made a bad mistake in his past letting his backup go stale and when his starter was hurt, cold guy came in and it all went bad. That sounds like McLellan goalie handling :)

Funny how every Hitchcock presser, if you didn't know better you would think Hitch is taking little shots at McLellan. He's definitely not, but still funny as a fan that has been paying attention for the last few years.


I've liked what I've seen from Hitchcock more than I thought I would. He's exceeding expectations. He does seem to have reinstilled some enjoyment back in to the game for players. They look like they're having more fun now and like they have some purpose other than just to try to keep the game deadlocked until McDavid comes and wins it.

I'd like to see some more goals, but hopefully that'll come. It does seem like there's a pretty big change overnight, and I do not think it's simply the adrenaline push from having a coach axed.

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 10 December 2018 21:30

If McLellan was here still, does anyone think he would have played Talbot another game before either January, or until Koskinen had a really bad run? I think McLellan was going to shelf him after that Vegas game.

Hitch went on a rant in his presser today about how you have to play your 2nd guy once every 1-2 weeks minimum so they keep a rhythm, and how he made a bad mistake in his past letting his backup go stale and when his starter was hurt, cold guy came in and it all went bad. That sounds like McLellan goalie handling :)

Funny how every Hitchcock presser, if you didn't know better you would think Hitch is taking little shots at McLellan. He's definitely not, but still funny as a fan that has been paying attention for the last few years.

TMac kinda gave off (at least to me) a "long-term middle manager for a company with high turnover" vibe... you can almost see him being the villain in an Office Space type flick.

Hitch at least seems like a hockey coach.

Edit: And yes, I can definitely see TMac shelving Talbot, giving a nice little parting jab to the media along the way.

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Hitch comes off like a guy that knows what he's doing, calm and deliberate, an encyclopedia of experience, Stanley Cup, Team Canada's, he makes you believe he has a plan, and real ideas on how to get better, and most importantly he makes his players believe, they are more confident the guy running the ship knows how to get to where they want to go. Inspiration?

After 4 years of minimal success, and the latest losing trend, McClellan's messages just got worn out, it became just words, deep down players stopped believing... except McDavid.. he's a force of nature... he's believing every shift ... as in .. be leaving a defenceman looking for his jock every shift! Oh yeah!

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Kypreos just said in the 2nd intermission tonight at the org has asked HItch to be more positive with players and the media, lol.

Hmmm, they probably just have to fire him if they don't like it. He's just defending his legacy now and the massive sales job he did after he was hired. He knows the roster he has is not good enough now. He has to throw everyone else under the bus now to save his image. He's not a quitter either, and I highly doubt he's gonna sugar coat stuff anymore because the org asks him.

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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 16 February 2019 20:07

Kypreos just said in the 2nd intermission tonight at the org has asked HItch to be more positive with players and the media, lol.

Hmmm, they probably just have to fire him if they don't like it. He's just defending his legacy now and the massive sales job he did after he was hired. He knows the roster he has is not good enough now. He has to throw everyone else under the bus now to save his image. He's not a quitter either, and I highly doubt he's gonna sugar coat stuff anymore because the org asks him.


This is a joke, right?? (Didn’t see the int)

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Soooo the Kings have asked the Oilers permission to speak with Todd re: their HC vacancy

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Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 07 April 2019 21:28

Soooo the Kings have asked the Oilers permission to speak with Todd re: their HC vacancy

No picks anymore, right?

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It would be wonderful for the Kings to pick up McLellan and for the Ducks to promote Eakins.

Clean house or bust

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Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 07 April 2019 21:28

Soooo the Kings have asked the Oilers permission to speak with Todd re: their HC vacancy


Good for Katz. Lots of money to be saved!

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