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 Oilers trade for Nolan Vesey - Signed 2 year ELC [message #715424]
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The @MapleLeafs announced today that the hockey club has acquired a conditional seventh-round draft pick in the 2020 NHL Draft from the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for the rights to forward Nolan Vesey. #TMLtalk




Box...kinda checked? Maybe there is a box for "Having right to someone with the last name Vesey"?


We must be trying to construct some kind of hybrid creature created from the best parts of college players that are not individually good enough to make the NHL.

[Updated on: Fri, 08 June 2018 15:04]


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 Re: Oilers trade for Vesey [message #715426 is a reply to message #715424 ]
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23 year old NCAA left winger. 2014 6th round pick.

Less than a point per game and not a lot of change in his production over his four years in Maine:
2014-15 36GP 10-13-23
2015-16 36GP 5-6-11
2016-17 36GP 13-10-23
2017-18 37GP 11-14-25

At his age, I don't know that that projects to an NHL player. Anyone know where to find NHLE numbers?

Pretty low acquisition cost. I assume that we only pay the 7th round pick if we can sign him. He's also a college player, which we know our GM really loves.

Overall, I rate this trade a "meh".



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 Re: Oilers trade for Vesey [message #715428 is a reply to message #715424 ]
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Some info on the kid.

Ranked the Leafs 37th best prospect in a 2017 ranking by Jeff Veillette:

http://faceoffcircle.ca/2017/09/30/2017-leafs-top-prospects- 37-nolan-vesey/



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 Re: Oilers trade for Vesey [message #715429 is a reply to message #715424 ]
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Chiarelli, wrong Vesey you idiot!

In all seriousness I will wait and see. We could have Vesey and Larkin playing on the Oilers soon.



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 Re: Oilers trade for Vesey [message #715430 is a reply to message #715424 ]
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The #Oilers have acquired forward Nolan Vesey from the @MapleLeafs in exchange for a conditional seventh-round #NHLDraft selection in 2020. We've also agreed to terms with Vesey on a two-year, entry-level contract.



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 Re: Oilers trade for Vesey [message #715431 is a reply to message #715428 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 08 June 2018 14:57

Some info on the kid.

Ranked the Leafs 37th best prospect in a 2017 ranking by Jeff Veillette:

http://faceoffcircle.ca/2017/09/30/2017-leafs-top-prospects- 37-nolan-vesey/


I sure that treading water this year probably dramatically upped his standing though.

Pretty hilarious that Kyle Dubas' first trade IS with Peter Chiarelli...



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 Re: Oilers trade for Vesey [message #715432 is a reply to message #715431 ]
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Adam wrote on Fri, 08 June 2018 15:05

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 08 June 2018 14:57

Some info on the kid.

Ranked the Leafs 37th best prospect in a 2017 ranking by Jeff Veillette:

http://faceoffcircle.ca/2017/09/30/2017-leafs-top-prospects- 37-nolan-vesey/


I sure that treading water this year probably dramatically upped his standing though.

Pretty hilarious that Kyle Dubas' first trade IS with Peter Chiarelli...


Develop the relationship with a small move.

Trade Zaitsev for Klefbom next.



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 Re: Oilers trade for Nolan Vesey - Signed 2 year ELC [message #715438 is a reply to message #715424 ]
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This seems like a longshot NHLer, not a great prospect. Same with Patrick Russell. Same with Keegan Lowe. Same with Colin Larkin.

With Vesey, it cost very little and a 7th round pick isn't likely to make the NHL either, but I really hope we don't start hearing how the Oilers cant make a waiver claim for a real NHL player because they are too close to the 50-count contract limit.

Every NHL contract that they sign a longshot player to is one less contract they could use on a prospect with an actual shot of making the NHL. Be great if Vesey (or Russell or Larkin) surprises, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that is likely.



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 Re: Oilers trade for Nolan Vesey - Signed 2 year ELC [message #715444 is a reply to message #715438 ]
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This is a whatever trade for me. No risk, probably not a lot of reward but who knows.

I've never heard of him. Can he skate?

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 Re: Oilers trade for Nolan Vesey - Signed 2 year ELC [message #715450 is a reply to message #715438 ]
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mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 08 June 2018 15:21

This seems like a longshot NHLer, not a great prospect. Same with Patrick Russell. Same with Keegan Lowe. Same with Colin Larkin.

With Vesey, it cost very little and a 7th round pick isn't likely to make the NHL either, but I really hope we don't start hearing how the Oilers cant make a waiver claim for a real NHL player because they are too close to the 50-count contract limit.

Every NHL contract that they sign a longshot player to is one less contract they could use on a prospect with an actual shot of making the NHL. Be great if Vesey (or Russell or Larkin) surprises, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that is likely.


The weird thing about these guys is that the bets are SO long given their age and production and we've made so many of these bets now. I mean, I guess they do need bodies to fill out a roster in the AHL, but could they not have just gotten these guys on AHL deals?

Patrick Russell is 25 with a career high 27 points this past year. What are the odds he ever cracks an NHL roster and plays any meaningful role with the organization?

Vesey's 23 and has not taken a step forward in the last four seasons. What's the likelihood he blossoms in the AHL? Larkin was playing at a level where almost no one ever makes the show from. Is he likely to be an NHLer someday?

Even the guys who do have NHL upside - the Oilers were disappointed with guys like Caggiula, but they shouldn't be. If you get a guy in his mid-20s, you shouldn't expect a huge development curve from them.

It's like they're gamblers in a casino making long bets and constantly frustrated that none of them have paid off...so they just keep trying.



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 Re: Oilers trade for Nolan Vesey - Signed 2 year ELC [message #715458 is a reply to message #715450 ]
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Adam wrote on Fri, 08 June 2018 16:39

mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 08 June 2018 15:21

This seems like a longshot NHLer, not a great prospect. Same with Patrick Russell. Same with Keegan Lowe. Same with Colin Larkin.

With Vesey, it cost very little and a 7th round pick isn't likely to make the NHL either, but I really hope we don't start hearing how the Oilers cant make a waiver claim for a real NHL player because they are too close to the 50-count contract limit.

Every NHL contract that they sign a longshot player to is one less contract they could use on a prospect with an actual shot of making the NHL. Be great if Vesey (or Russell or Larkin) surprises, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that is likely.


The weird thing about these guys is that the bets are SO long given their age and production and we've made so many of these bets now. I mean, I guess they do need bodies to fill out a roster in the AHL, but could they not have just gotten these guys on AHL deals?

Patrick Russell is 25 with a career high 27 points this past year. What are the odds he ever cracks an NHL roster and plays any meaningful role with the organization?

Vesey's 23 and has not taken a step forward in the last four seasons. What's the likelihood he blossoms in the AHL? Larkin was playing at a level where almost no one ever makes the show from. Is he likely to be an NHLer someday?

Even the guys who do have NHL upside - the Oilers were disappointed with guys like Caggiula, but they shouldn't be. If you get a guy in his mid-20s, you shouldn't expect a huge development curve from them.

It's like they're gamblers in a casino making long bets and constantly frustrated that none of them have paid off...so they just keep trying.

I would much rather fill out the AHL roster with guys like this guy who while the chances aren't good he makes it to the NHL, there is still a chance vs going out and signing the Mitch Callahan's, Ryan Hamilton's, Brad Malone's, Brian Ferlin, Grayson Downing, Ryan Stanton, guys you know are nothing but AHLers. All the guys I mentioned all played on Bakersfield last year and most of them played a lot. Malone, Callahan and Stanton are still going to be with the team next year.



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 Re: Oilers trade for Nolan Vesey - Signed 2 year ELC [message #715460 is a reply to message #715450 ]
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Adam wrote on Fri, 08 June 2018 16:39

mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 08 June 2018 15:21

This seems like a longshot NHLer, not a great prospect. Same with Patrick Russell. Same with Keegan Lowe. Same with Colin Larkin.

With Vesey, it cost very little and a 7th round pick isn't likely to make the NHL either, but I really hope we don't start hearing how the Oilers cant make a waiver claim for a real NHL player because they are too close to the 50-count contract limit.

Every NHL contract that they sign a longshot player to is one less contract they could use on a prospect with an actual shot of making the NHL. Be great if Vesey (or Russell or Larkin) surprises, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that is likely.


The weird thing about these guys is that the bets are SO long given their age and production and we've made so many of these bets now. I mean, I guess they do need bodies to fill out a roster in the AHL, but could they not have just gotten these guys on AHL deals?

Patrick Russell is 25 with a career high 27 points this past year. What are the odds he ever cracks an NHL roster and plays any meaningful role with the organization?

Vesey's 23 and has not taken a step forward in the last four seasons. What's the likelihood he blossoms in the AHL? Larkin was playing at a level where almost no one ever makes the show from. Is he likely to be an NHLer someday?

Even the guys who do have NHL upside - the Oilers were disappointed with guys like Caggiula, but they shouldn't be. If you get a guy in his mid-20s, you shouldn't expect a huge development curve from them.

It's like they're gamblers in a casino making long bets and constantly frustrated that none of them have paid off...so they just keep trying.


The very best thing about college players is that because they are older, you should have a better idea of their career trajectory and potential than guys coming out of junior. Cagguila was a great college player and despite what some analytics guys chirp, he's a fine NHLer. Benning was an NHL-ready college player. Arcobello took a few years, but they gave him an AHL deal and let him earn himself an NHL deal. But at 23, is it a reasonable gamble that Vesey is going to jump from mediocre college player to NHL player? You should be getting clearer reads from college free agents and they don't seem to be lately.



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